"F" Movie - pointless?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

That's how the movie feels like to me. Basically shunning anything resembling examining the characters or doing anything new with the God stuff (which was the entire reason people wanted a BoG sequel at all) we're just back to generic Z fighting. Generic Z fighting that was have plenty of throughout the various arcs, movies, specials,...

We didn't need more generic Z fighting even if it has Jaco or some Toriyama humor (that wasn't especially funny at all) sprinkled in-between. Hell, the movie couldn't even do the one worthwhile thing that was holding my interest: give Freeza's resurrection some respect. It's literally the Fusion Reborn scene made into a movie, the one fucking thing it should have avoided at all costs even if it ditched all that made BoG good in spite of its lack of action was not even there.

It's basically a shining example of how a franchise can just drudge along, make money while nearing creative bankruptcy because its writer and fans just want the same shit over again. If the revival of the franchise isn't used to do new stuff with it, leave it for the worms in the ditch it was buried in instead of digging it up.

@bold1 Then why say "Basically, everyone who liked BoG a lot regardless of the lack of action is told to piss off"? If it is just how you feel? (others may feel the same way but not "everybody")
@bold2 Again why are you speaking for everyone, I certainly didn't care what the film was about as-long as we got one.
@bold3 This is DragonBall, anything they'd do it will tread old ground, granted this moreso the case in "F" I agree but there was a fair share of it in BoG- Super strong being arrives who doesn't look super strong, comes in a pair. Goku arrives late on the battlefield once everyone has had a fight with the villain, Goku gets a new l form. Goku uses a kamehameha. Goku loses battle.

[Lord Beerus]

I was immensely entertained by the movie despite its flaws, and the end of the day, the purpose of 90% of all movies even being released is entertain the general public, and judging from the box office and critical response of Resurrection F, it entertained large portions of the general public. So, no. It's not a pointless movie.

[Kuwabara]

It's about as pointless as anything else in life.

[Zephyr]

This film delivered on the tease of Whis being a martial arts master more powerful than Beerus. It also shows Goku's leniency finally biting him in the ass (Freeza actually did go and get stronger, and he would have won if not for Bulma's non-combat related skills ensuring Whis' protection). It also showed us more of Hell and Freeza's army; world building.

It's way too early to see what sorts of ramifications this film will have for the major "Gods" story proper. We've just barely seen a sliver of the story that it leads into. Will Goku learn to stop trying to let dangerous people go? Will Goku learn to stop letting his guard down in battle? Will Vegeta stop letting his nerves be spun too tight? Will they learn to really cooperate? Will Gohan learn to stop slacking? What sorts of ramifications will Whis' temporal do-over have?

All that being said, the movie had all of the right sorts of fanservice for me (Jaco, Roshi, Tenshinhan, Goku-Vegeta-Freeza banter, wuxia references, etc). Hardly pointless in my eyes.

[FortuneSSJ]

It's about as pointless as anything else in life.

[ABED]

In case anyone hasn't asked, what is with all of these threads asking "is [insert name] pointless?"

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

In case anyone hasn't asked, what is with all of these threads asking "is [insert name] pointless?"

I was just about to say that. I'm seeing a pattern here.

Resurrection 'F' is far from pointless, and even if it didn't have that much to offer when it comes to plot, it more than makes up for it with its fantastic action sequences and humour. Just seeing these cast of characters interact was awesome in the film. Not to mention Freeza was great in the film as well. By far my favourite Dragon Ball film. It isn't pointless at all.

[ekrolo2]

That's how the movie feels like to me. Basically shunning anything resembling examining the characters or doing anything new with the God stuff (which was the entire reason people wanted a BoG sequel at all) we're just back to generic Z fighting. Generic Z fighting that was have plenty of throughout the various arcs, movies, specials,...

We didn't need more generic Z fighting even if it has Jaco or some Toriyama humor (that wasn't especially funny at all) sprinkled in-between. Hell, the movie couldn't even do the one worthwhile thing that was holding my interest: give Freeza's resurrection some respect. It's literally the Fusion Reborn scene made into a movie, the one fucking thing it should have avoided at all costs even if it ditched all that made BoG good in spite of its lack of action was not even there.

It's basically a shining example of how a franchise can just drudge along, make money while nearing creative bankruptcy because its writer and fans just want the same shit over again. If the revival of the franchise isn't used to do new stuff with it, leave it for the worms in the ditch it was buried in instead of digging it up.

@bold1 Then why say "Basically, everyone who liked BoG a lot regardless of the lack of action is told to piss off"? If it is just how you feel? (others may feel the same way but not "everybody")
@bold2 Again why are you speaking for everyone, I certainly didn't care what the film was about as-long as we got one.
@bold3 This is DragonBall, anything they'd do it will tread old ground, granted this moreso the case in "F" I agree but there was a fair share of it in BoG- Super strong being arrives who doesn't look super strong, comes in a pair. Goku arrives late on the battlefield once everyone has had a fight with the villain, Goku gets a new l form. Goku uses a kamehameha. Goku loses battle.

You got me there with the speaking for everyone part, I'm not of course but for the people like me who wanted something more like BoG and less generic Z and dislike F specifically for the reason, I think I'm at least conveying their feelings.

As for BoG, it subverts lots of tropes Dragon Ball usually had, especially in the films. The formula became that a powerful alien comes to Earth, stirs up trouble for the evilz, everyone fights him, gets their asses kicked until Goku shows up and saves the day. Pretty much all of this is subverted,

Beerus doesn't come to Earth to attack Goku or destroy it for the evils. He's far above such mortal designations and just wants to find a strong opponent, he not only doesn't fight anyone until Boo provokes him but actually hangs out with them and enjoys the party. If Boo didn't do anything, Beerus would've gladly left the Earth with fond memories of it even if Goku never went God.

We also see more subversions later on with Goku and Vegeta. The former is usually some quasi superhero in the movies yet in here, he's arrogant, prideful and is actually frustrated like, holy fucking shit, an actual person with some actualy personality to him. Not only does he not beat the villain, but even his new form fails to put him above just barely half of Beerus' power.

Vegeta's role is also quite a bit different. He's usually the Worf of the movies, having a cool intro, maybe even beating some lieutenant before the main villain beats him up. For most of this, he's scared to fight Beerus, doing things he usually wouldn't and his best moment isn't a badass intro but him making an ass of himself to calm Beerus down and save the planet.

Hell, 85% of the movie isn't even fighting, its just everyone hanging out and shooting the shit which is yet another subversion of the DBZ movies which were more or less there just for some fighting. All of this stuff makes BoG the anti-DBZ movie in the best way possible. F is EVERY generic DBZ movie you know and have watched 13 times already.

However, F could've saved itself if it only did this: gave Freeza a unique arc for a villain and treated his come back with respect. Freeza has become a joke specifically because his come backs always end with him doing the same mistakes and making an ass of himself. This should've been his comeback movie. His TDKReturns. A movie about an old villain, who's best days are behind him coming back, becoming tougher, smarter and meanier than ever before and kicking the good guys asses.

If the film just subverted the standard Freeza resurrection trope and gave us a unique arc for a villain that doesn't result in him becoming a hero, F would instantly be the second best DBZ movie even if it had all the other bullshit I dislike along with it. I can't agree that DBZ doesn't have new ground to cover, it did with BoG and it still can and could've done so with F, but the film pretty much missed the best opportunity to do something new, and fresh with a villain. Written by the same guy who more or less took a giant piss on the older movies tropes in really clever ways.

[jjgp1112]

I mean, by that logic just about every Z movie is a waste. It was a fun action flick and wasn't striving to be anything but.

[TheGreatness25]

It showcases a new transformation and shows how Goku and Vegeta have improved. That's like saying Battle of Gods was a waste because they introduce a new character who goes to sleep at the end.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Would you rather have it so that Freeza won and killed all of us?

I don't know about you, but I don't live on DBZ Earth...

[Kuririn Fan]

It was fun and Goku & Vegeta made one step closer to Beerus' power.

[sintzu]

It didn't evolve the story in a major way but it was still a fun movie especially if you wanted to see Vegeta kick Freeza's behind.

[Araki]

- They resurrect iconic villain, only to kill him off at the end

I can understand the complaints about the movie being pointless, but not for that reason. What else should they do about Freeza? Just leave him around like it's no big deal? Having him join the main cast?! I'm not sure if bringing him back was a great idea, but allowing him to live would be much worse, an even bigger form of humiliation.

If the end was really just Goku and Vegeta shrugging like they had not learned a valuable lesson, then it's a problem, content-wise. I hope it was just foreshadowing a situation where they'll be forced to work together so it doesn't repeat.
Even if that's not the case, i still wouldn't call it a complete waste. In fact, it's a movie i can see myself rewatching more than BoG, if only for the better action and comedy.

[MCDaveG]

It wasn fun movie, tough there wasn't much else outside of fighting and blue hair.
With Super adapting it and adding flavour of more details and characters, then the F becomes pointless a little.

[SSGSS Vegetto]

I personally liked BoG more than Resurrection 'F' but like they say, everything has its flaws, as a fan of Dragon Ball, I like each of its works, irrespective of it being canon or non-canon, with the exception of Dragon Ball Evolution. I enjoyed Resurrection 'F', though I don't see any reason for it to have been not made, it too had flaws but it went well for me at least.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Only if you believe that every DBZ movie following Battle of Gods will be (not should, but will be) be similarly well thought-out. A fair number of people seemed to think this the case. I really don't know how else you can hold particularly great expectations of a movie about bringing back Freeza 15 years later.

[ekrolo2]

Only if you believe that every DBZ movie following Battle of Gods will be (not should, but will be) be similarly well thought-out. A fair number of people seemed to think this the case. I really don't know how else you can hold particularly great expectations of a movie about bringing back Freeza 15 years later.

By doing the same thing BoG did? Subvert everyone's expectations of Freeza just coming back to be the ass, not butt, flee infested ass of more "He's so useless!" jokes? BoG pretty much took every cliche in the book for DBZ movies and turned them on their head to great effect and Freeza's return can be done in the same vein. Just have him have a character arc where, like an old veteran coming back from retirement, he comes out better, meaner and smarter than before and promptly kicks the good guys asses.

It would even work as a way to show how, by changing and bettering himself, Freeza, the most vile and despicable person in the universe managed to improve in every possible way while the "heroes" only won by happenstance and their stagnation or regressions come back to bite them in the ass at last.

[Cetra]

They could have made an incredible setup with Earth being destroyed.

[Zephyr]

Another thing to take note of is the whole "SSj Blue Goku felled by a laser blaster" fiasco.

For better or worse, it widened the scope of how useful weaker characters can be in fights, in spite of the insane amount of power creep.