Best Freeza dub voice?

[Soppa Saia People]

So in short, this is my response to you from now on.

This is not OK, you know this is not OK, and this kind of dismissive nonsense won't be tolerated.

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The same, of course, goes for everyone. An example is being made here. Take note of it.

(Is it possible for you two AT ALL to have a conversation without going for the neck? Can we refresh the forum page and NOT see your names in a constant back-and-forth? Can we please acknowledge how ridiculous this is? Better yet, can it simply end here and now forever?)

Yeah wether it's ABED and Ree (though that seems done) or ABED and Lord Exor, the topic just kind of dies (for me anyways) with the constant bickering. (Note : this is not meant to be a personal attack on ABED, Ree and Lord Exor. Sorry if it comes off that way)

[Lord Exor]

If you feel differently, that's fine... but if you don't have a serious background in acting or at least the training to honestly debate the subject of the quality of acting? I'm probably going to just assume it's nostalgia goggles.

This flippant dismissal of my position as nostalgia goggles is about as erroneous as you can possible get, given that I've stated time and time again that my opinion isn't informed at all by nostalgia. I rediscovered the series in 2008 after a long hiatus of indifference, and wasn't taken by Frieza whatsoever back in 1999.

I'm also fairly certain your conclusion is an appeal to authority and/or accomplishment, and I'm sure I don't need to explain why that's fallacious.

[ABED]

Yeah wether it's ABED and Ree (though that seems done) or ABED and Lord Exor, the topic just kind of dies (for me anyways) with the constant bickering. (Note : this is not meant to be a personal attack on ABED, Ree and Lord Exor. Sorry if it comes off that way)

I am argumentative, but I swear I'm not angry even if I argue passionately.

[KaiserNeko]

If you feel differently, that's fine... but if you don't have a serious background in acting or at least the training to honestly debate the subject of the quality of acting? I'm probably going to just assume it's nostalgia goggles.

This flippant dismissal of my position as nostalgia goggles is about as erroneous as you can possible get, given that I've stated time and time again that my opinion isn't informed at all by nostalgia. I rediscovered the series in 2008 after a long hiatus of indifference, and wasn't taken by Freeza whatsoever back in 1999.

I'm also fairly certain your conclusion is an appeal to authority and/or accomplishment, and I'm sure I don't need to explain why that's fallacious.

You don't have to explain anything to me.

I'm not stating that the acting is better or worse simply because those from authority agree it is. I'm saying that the measure of quality in acting is already suspect to begin with, and the opinions of those who aren't trained and experienced with acting is exceptionally so in comparison to those who have actually studied it. You were talking about the quality of acting, and it basically became nothing but a "It's good!" "Nuh uh!" "Yeah huh!" conversation. All I wanted to do was put out into the conversation the perspective of professionals. It's important to consider those who actually understand the profession and it's nuances, because they have a better grasp on what makes truly good acting than someone who's uneducated in the field. Critics are well read and versed on the subject; the average fan most likely isn't.

And fine, it's not nostalgia. I'm okay with being wrong on that one, although I never specifically said it was nostalgia for you. I just stated my honest opinion that I'm probably going to assume it's nostalgia, because it often is in my experience. I still think your opinion that the acting is anything above subpar doesn't hold up, but you don't have to prove anything to me.

[Lord Exor]

Alright then, since you're intimating that you possess a level of expertise beyond that of my layman's understanding, I'll defer to you: What elements of Young's performance in particular serve to undermine its legitimacy? What qualities otherwise present in an acceptable performance are missing? Is it her inflection? Her diction? Her conveyance of emotion?

[rereboy]

You don't have to explain anything to me.

I'm not stating that the acting is better or worse simply because those from authority agree it is. I'm saying that the measure of quality in acting is already suspect to begin with, and the opinions of those who aren't trained and experienced with acting is exceptionally so in comparison to those who have actually studied it. You were talking about the quality of acting, and it basically became nothing but a "It's good!" "Nuh uh!" "Yeah huh!" conversation. All I wanted to do was put out into the conversation the perspective of professionals. It's important to consider those who actually understand the profession and it's nuances, because they have a better grasp on what makes truly good acting than someone who's uneducated in the field. Critics are well read and versed on the subject; the average fan most likely isn't.

And fine, it's not nostalgia. I'm okay with being wrong on that one, although I never specifically said it was nostalgia for you. I just stated my honest opinion that I'm probably going to assume it's nostalgia, because it often is in my experience. I still think your opinion that the acting is anything above subpar doesn't hold up, but you don't have to prove anything to me.

The appreciating of acting isn't a quantifiable and measurable activity with exact effects and a determinable process like an hard science is.

Meaning that the things that make truly good acting that you mention are simply criteria that were agreed upon over the years by people related to the profession based on their opinion. Granted, we can put much more stock in the opinion of the people related to the profession than any other, and most obviously do, but, in essence, they still are just opinion. There's no "proof" possible regarding this to determine someone "right" or "wrong", just opinion, and someone can honestly disagree from others.

[HybridSaiyan]

I can't believe the amount of trash talk Linda Young gets these days. I honestly saw nothing wrong with her acting and she definitely creeped me out when I was younger. The way they altered her voice in Second and third form still gives me the shivers lol.

[ABED]

I can't believe the amount of trash talk Linda Young gets these days. I honestly saw nothing wrong with her acting and she definitely creeped me out when I was younger. The way they altered her voice in Second and third form still gives me the shivers lol.

To be fair, the criticisms aren't about her as a person, and it's only trash talk if it's a bunch of insults.

The appreciating of acting isn't a quantifiable and measurable activity with exact effects and a determinable process like an hard science is.

While it's certainly not a hard science and there is a lot of room for disagreement when judging quality of art in all its aspects, I do believe there's a limit to that. Just being an observant person you know what people sound like when they are happy, sad, excited, etc. If a performance doesn't ring true to those experiences, I think it's more than fair in many cases to claim it's an objectively bad performance.

[rereboy]

While it's certainly not a hard science and there is a lot of room for disagreement when judging quality of art in all its aspects, I do believe there's a limit to that. Just being an observant person you know what people sound like when they are happy, sad, excited, etc. If a performance doesn't ring true to those experiences, I think it's more than fair in many cases to claim it's an objectively bad performance.

You can't speak for other people. If a person watches a performance and says, honestly, that it was a good performance, it doesn't matter how much you disagree with it. Your disagreement or anyone else's disagremment doesn't make that person objectively wrong. If that person spoke honestly, that's just his opinion, and since this isn't an hard science no one can determine that his honest opinion is wrong or right. At most you can provide arguments and explain what you think and maybe with that that person changes his opinion because you provided him with arguments that he hadn't thought of yet, that's all.

[ABED]

You can't speak for other people. If a person watches a performance and says, honestly, that it was a good performance, it doesn't matter how much you disagree with it. Your disagreement or anyone else's disagremment doesn't make that person objectively wrong. If that person spoke honestly, that's just his opinion, and since this isn't an hard science no one can determine that his honest opinion is wrong or right. At most you can provide arguments and explain what you think and maybe with that that person changes his opinion because you provided him with arguments that he hadn't thought of yet, that's all.

I know that there's a prevalent belief that it's a matter of opinion, but there's a limit to that. It may not be a hard science, but there are limits to that. If an actor isn't capable of sound real even in a heightened context I would say with absolute confidence that it's a bad performance. For instance, the acting on Power Rangers is awful. It's an enjoyable show, but the acting is subpar. Whether we have the ability to objectively quantify that is irrelevant, little of what they say or emote comes off as real. In real life, we see people be sad or happy, if the performances bear little resemblance to real life or sounds completely fake, it's a bad performance. I find it helpful to think of instance where someone acts other than in just the arts. For instance, if a conman was trying to convince a mark that they are who they say they are, they better be a good actor. If he or she doesn't sound real, it won't be a good, convincing performance.

[Ajay]

For instance, the acting on Power Rangers is awful.

And considering Linda Young's Freeza sounds like Rita Repulsa, I think that says a lot about her performance.

I find it so hard to engage anyone who adamantly stands by Linda Young. I have nothing to say but "You are wrong. You do not understand the character. I don't care how much you pretend you do. You don't. And you if genuinely think that's a good performance, then my god, more power to you, I guess. You're still wrong".

It's a stubborn asshole response, but whatever. That's legitimately how I feel.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Linda Young ACTS better but ayres has the better voice.

[ABED]

For instance, the acting on Power Rangers is awful.

And considering Linda Young's Freeza sounds like Rita Repulsa, I think that says a lot about her performance.

I find it so hard to engage anyone who adamantly stands by Linda Young. I have nothing to say but "You are wrong. You do not understand the character. I don't care how much you pretend you do. You don't. And you if genuinely think that's a good performance, then my god, more power to you, I guess. You're still wrong".

It's a stubborn asshole response, but whatever. That's legitimately how I feel.

But she doesn't have the charm that Barbara Goodson has. If anyone likes it, fine, but that doesn't make it good. I like Power Rangers, but it's not a well written or well acted show. It's just fun. I don't feel the same way about Young's Freeza which is probably inconsistent with my enjoyment of PR or Super Sentai, but so be it. One bugs me, the other one doesn't.

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

Chris Ayers is magnificent. Not only does he portray the character of Freeza so accurately to the original Japanese version but his voice just sounds so fucking good. When I went to watch Resurrection 'F' in theatres I brought one of my friends with me who isn't very familiar with the franchise. Half way through the scene where Freeza is talking to Sorbet on his ship after he steps out of the healing pod my friend whispers to me "Who does the voice of Freeza? He sounds amazing." These words came from someone who barely anything about the character. I feel as though if that were Young performing as Freeza my friend wouldn't have asked me who the actor was. I still believe that Chris Ayers is the best talent to have ever graced the English dub of this series.

[Ajay]

But she doesn't have the charm that Barbara Goodson has. If anyone likes it, fine, but that doesn't make it good. I like Power Rangers, but it's not a well written or well acted show. It's just fun. I don't feel the same way about Young's Freeza which is probably inconsistent with my enjoyment of PR or Super Sentai, but so be it. One bugs me, the other one doesn't.

Oh, for sure. I'm trying to agree with you.

I'm saying that when a character who's supposed to be genuinely frightening sounds straight out of a campy, badly written show, then that says a lot about their performance and appropriateness to the character.

[rereboy]

I know that there's a prevalent belief that it's a matter of opinion, but there's a limit to that. It may not be a hard science, but there are limits to that. If an actor isn't capable of sound real even in a heightened context I would say with absolute confidence that it's a bad performance. For instance, the acting on Power Rangers is awful. It's an enjoyable show, but the acting is subpar. Whether we have the ability to objectively quantify that is irrelevant, little of what they say or emote comes off as real. In real life, we see people be sad or happy, if the performances bear little resemblance to real life or sounds completely fake, it's a bad performance. I find it helpful to think of instance where someone acts other than in just the arts. For instance, if a conman was trying to convince a mark that they are who they say they are, they better be a good actor. If he or she doesn't sound real, it won't be a good, convincing performance.

You are literally saying that you know better than other people just how much their honest opinion can vary compared to your own. If they surpass the limit that you have deduced by yourself, then you know better than them what their honest opinion is and that they are "wrong", even though there is no way to determine that besides your own opinion.

[VegettoEX]

You are literally saying that you know better than other people just how much their honest opinion can vary compared to your own. If they surpass the limit that you have deduced by ourself, then you know better than them what their honest opinion is.

I dunno. To some degree I think it's accurate. I mean, voice acting in the first Resident Evil. At the end of the day, don't we all have to agree the acting and direction is piss-poor? We're not talking about the casting or any amount of genuine- or ironic-enjoyment of the performances, just a raw evaluation of "This is crap, right? Right...? Right."

I can see the perspective here where it's "No, for real, this isn't good acting, and if you're saying it is you... are... wrong?"

Not necessarily saying that applies here in Dragon Ball and/or with Linda Young's Freeza (even though I might lean that way if really pressed on it... please don't make me, I just. don't. care. anymore.), but it's not some crazy viewpoint in some cases.

(For the record, and this goes out to multiple people, salty reports on other posts or otherwise invalid post reports are just opening yourself up to an account strike of your own. Let's not be that person, OK?)

[rereboy]

I dunno. To some degree I think it's accurate. I mean, voice acting in the first Resident Evil. At the end of the day, don't we all have to agree the acting and direction is piss-poor?

Doesn't matter at all if everybody you know of agrees that it wasn't good acting. If one guy comes along, sees it and honestly says it was good or good enough, there's literally no way, at all, to prove him wrong, to determine that he is wrong.

You can discuss it with him, say why you think it's bad, but if he still honestly still thinks it's good or good enough, you literally can't prove him wrong.

Why?

Because it's all based on opinion, not on actual quantifiable and measurable activity with exact effects and a determinable process, and the amount of people sharing an opinion on a movie won't change that.

All you can do is have another opinion and disagree with him and if you try to argue that is wrong without having a way to prove it, you are either trying to speak for him or deny that he can have an opinion.

[VegettoEX]

It's my opinion that you're wrong.

(Where do we go from here?)

[gohann]

Before Remastered, I thought Linda Young was the best.