Is LSSJ Its own form?

[Kuririn Fan]

What I don't get is how was Broly literally defeated by one punch in Movie 8 from a worn down Goku and everyone else badly damaged and nearly fainted? Even the combined power of their weakened states shouldn't have been enough to defeat him in one hit.

Honestly the whole climax of Movie 8 is beyond bizarre. Its like they built up Broly so strong they had no realistic way to show them beating him.

That was the place of his wound as a baby.

Yes,however it was healed by then it seams as the spot was fine,while in movie 10 he still had the wound from Goku's punch. The only hing that can beat Broly is plot holes,or GT characters....or end of Z characters. But if you take either Lssj3 or Lssj4 Broly from Heroes vs beerus and whis....broly ROFLSTOMPS em.

I don't care about fan-fiction. Beerus and Whis are the strongest characters so far.

[rereboy]

I don't care about fan-fiction. Beerus and Whis are the strongest characters so far.

That wasn't fan-fiction. It's official stuff.

[Kuririn Fan]

I don't care about fan-fiction. Beerus and Whis are the strongest characters so far.

That wasn't fan-fiction. It's official stuff.

Heroes is pure fan fiction and fan service. I couldn't care less that it has ultra legendary super saiyan god super saiyan 6 Broly or any other character.

[rereboy]

I don't care about fan-fiction. Beerus and Whis are the strongest characters so far.

That wasn't fan-fiction. It's official stuff.

Heroes is pure fan fiction and fan service. I couldn't care less that it has ultra legendary super saiyan god super saiyan 6 Broly or any other character.

Er.. Do you know what fan fiction is? Fan fiction is non official stuff done by fans.

Heroes is an official game, not fan fiction. And those forms for those characters exist in that game.

[Kaboom]

The way I see it, Broli's "legendary" form is essentially a mutated form of Super Saiyan Grade 3 that's exclusive to him. He's overflowing with power once he starts to fight, and since he's nutso and never trained himself to properly handle "beyond Super Saiyan" power like the heroes did, then his power has nowhere else to go. So he ends up stuck in this bloated and over-charged form. Somehow he seems to gain height along with all that bulk so as to negate the speed loss... maybe that's part of his mutation, or maybe his body's managed to adapt to it in a way that the heroes couldn't.

Anyhoo, if Broli's strength kept growing, then I guess he'd eventually push into a Super Saiyan 3 level of power and become the SS3 Broli we've seen in the games (while his LSS form, being "beyond Super Saiyan," is already his substitute for Super Saiyan 2). As for Super Saiyan 4... I'm not even gonna try. SS4 is literally gained through regaining your senses and self-control, in a form that's even more naturally wild and savage than Broli already is. So unless Broli undergoes some serious mental resetting, Super Saiyan 4 should be straight-up impossible for him.

[Xeztin]

The way I see it, Broli's "legendary" form is essentially a mutated form of Super Saiyan Grade 3 that's exclusive to him. He's overflowing with power once he starts to fight, and since he's nutso and never trained himself to properly handle "beyond Super Saiyan" power like the heroes did, then his power has nowhere else to go. So he ends up stuck in this bloated and over-charged form. Somehow he seems to gain height along with all that bulk so as to negate the speed loss... maybe that's part of his mutation, or maybe his body's managed to adapt to it in a way that the heroes couldn't.

Anyhoo, if Broli's strength kept growing, then I guess he'd eventually push into a Super Saiyan 3 level of power and become the SS3 Broli we've seen in the games (while his LSS form, being "beyond Super Saiyan," is already his substitute for Super Saiyan 2). As for Super Saiyan 4... I'm not even gonna try. SS4 is literally gained through regaining your senses and self-control, in a form that's even more naturally wild and savage than Broli already is. So unless Broli undergoes some serious mental resetting, Super Saiyan 4 should be straight-up impossible for him.

In Heroes he wished for SSJ4 right? Even though I love Heroes, I doubt Broly could be calm long enough to make a wish without trying to strangle Shenron

[Kuririn Fan]

Rereboy, i know, but i see it as a official fan fiction. It's a fucking card game with every transformation possible for every character. I don't care about video games. Beerus and Whis are strongest characters so far in parts that matter, that are important: anime, manga, movies. Also, that's not the topic.

[Scarlet Spider]

What I don't get is how was Broly literally defeated by one punch in Movie 8 from a worn down Goku and everyone else badly damaged and nearly fainted? Even the combined power of their weakened states shouldn't have been enough to defeat him in one hit.

Honestly the whole climax of Movie 8 is beyond bizarre. Its like they built up Broly so strong they had no realistic way to show them beating him.

I feel like he was just knocked out of his transformation. Seeing as he seemingly explodes from within. Like a suit of armor. Goku hit the weak point with enough power to cause a reaction in Broly's form, causing it to explode.

[GTX]

The way I see it, Broli's "legendary" form is essentially a mutated form of Super Saiyan Grade 3 that's exclusive to him. He's overflowing with power once he starts to fight, and since he's nutso and never trained himself to properly handle "beyond Super Saiyan" power like the heroes did, then his power has nowhere else to go. So he ends up stuck in this bloated and over-charged form. Somehow he seems to gain height along with all that bulk so as to negate the speed loss... maybe that's part of his mutation, or maybe his body's managed to adapt to it in a way that the heroes couldn't.

Anyhoo, if Broli's strength kept growing, then I guess he'd eventually push into a Super Saiyan 3 level of power and become the SS3 Broli we've seen in the games (while his LSS form, being "beyond Super Saiyan," is already his substitute for Super Saiyan 2). As for Super Saiyan 4... I'm not even gonna try. SS4 is literally gained through regaining your senses and self-control, in a form that's even more naturally wild and savage than Broli already is. So unless Broli undergoes some serious mental resetting, Super Saiyan 4 should be straight-up impossible for him.

I disagree. The theme of GT is evolution.
It's shown in the anime when transforming into ssj 3 it shown the image of oozaru.
Pardon this non canon guidebook i use it just for comparation.
In daizenshuu ssj 3 bring saiyan to its limit.
SSJ 4 is bring their Oozaru body to its maximum & potential limit ( GT perfect files ) & potential and making them has much greater limit.
In GT the highest was super saiyan 3 mostly because it's their maximum as stated in daizenshuu.
So they need much stronger body or a new body that can break their limit greatly both ki and body endurance.
So they use oozaru body and transform their human body to become oozaru. That's why ssj 4 is not a normal human body but has similarity to oozaru. GT perfect stated it too as different species.

Reason for brolly can change to ssj 4.
1. he is a prodigy and his mind cannot be easily controlled even the ring cannot control his mind thus he can control great ape easily. So is vegeta eventhough he is edgier than goku he control oozaru much better. Though the point is i think brolly might have even greater emotion control than both goku and vegeta. I think it's great chance even the golden ape cannot subdue the brolly mind like how the ring cannot control his mind at least when he was so focused want to beat goku.
2. Has tremendous ki = check. To achieve golden ape it needs very huge ki
3. The theme is evolution and evolution close to adaptation brolly has very strong adaptation ability even his baby form can reflectly react to danger and instinctively able to utilize its strong ki. Of course it will make him easier to change into golden and ssj 4 form because his adaptation skill to make him reach stonger level quickly.

I usually don't care about this thing i'm just bored now

[rereboy]

Rereboy, i know, but i see it as a official fan fiction.

That's an absolute contradiction that makes no sense.

You are confusing fan fiction with quality. There's absolutely nothing stopping something unofficial made by fans from being way better than official stuff and there's nothing stopping something official from being way worse than fan fiction stuff.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The way I see it, Legendary Super Saiyan is a form beyond Super Saiyan Grade 3, which eliminates the speed issues by giving the user a larger body on top of larger muscles (LSS Broli is taller than base/SS Broli, but SSG2/3 didn't make the user taller). However, unlike the other forms, this form makes the user lose control and makes them extremely violent (hence the white eyes, like with the Pseudo Super Saiyan form), and instead of consuming ki, the ki keeps raising on its own (not the battle power, it basically refills his ki automatically). This forces the user to use ki attacks and destroy everything, or else when the ki hits the limit, it keeps raising and hurts the body (which is what we see in M8). Super Saiyan 2, Super Saiyan 3, Golden Oozaru, and Super Saiyan 4 can be used on top of this form (as we see in the video-games).

And no, this form isn't exclusive to Broli, in the sense that only he can achieve it. This was never stated anywhere from what I know, and it was stated that Broli just had a different evolution unlike the Goku & co. (who went SS->SSG2->SSG3 & SSFP->SS2->SS3, while he went SS->LSS). I believe that the reason that Goku & co. didn't aim to achieve this form is because it would turn them into violent monsters.

[Desassina]

I associate this form with that of an evil Super Saiyan, because that's what they went for, without the hard science of the ascended forms. Notice how the characters didn't comment or were surprised that he should have been slower due to his bulk, and how Broly exploded into this form without increasing his bulk on a gradual basis. It's the opposite of Freeza, whose shell broke to reveal a smaller version of himself, with the tail intact. Anyway, I liked him better on Movie 10, because he had a "base" form similar to the other Super Saiyans, and none of that restricting gear.

And no, this form isn't exclusive to Broli, in the sense that only he can achieve it. This was never stated anywhere from what I know, and it was stated that Broli just had a different evolution unlike the Goku & co. (who went SS->SSG2->SSG3 & SSFP->SS2->SS3, while he went SS->LSS). I believe that the reason that Goku & co. didn't aim to achieve this form is because it would turn them into violent monsters.

I can sort of agree with this, and it would make RPG more interesting. You'd basically pick between different types of SSJ: graded, numbered and legendary; and work your way up. However, I'm confused by the notion that SSJ4 should stack on top of LSSJ. He would have to revert to base and go straight to his inner power of the Oozaru form in the shape of his Legendary SSJ self. Either way, "SSJ4" is a bad name for the line of transformations it could belong to.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I'm confused by the notion that SSJ4 should stack on top of LSSJ. He would have to revert to base and go straight to his inner power of the Oozaru form in the shape of his Legendary SSJ self.

In DBHeroes, he goes from Legendary Super Saiyan to (Legendary) Super Saiyan 3, to (Legendary) Golden Oozaru, to (Legendary) Super Saiyan 4, which is why he keeps LSS on top of SS4.