An easy way they could have made Episode of Bardock Work

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An easy way they could have made Episode of Bardock Work

Post by TheXenoverse » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:04 pm

What I believe was the worst part of the special was the 'travel back in time plot' and the SSJ Bardock debacle, a result of Ooishi Naho's time constraints at the time I'd assume.

Considering that the Bardock story is technically part of 'anime canon' now :think: due to the existence of Dragonball Minus ( :thumbdown: ) why not instead let the movie chronicle his adventures in the Afterlife, (considering that as part of anime canon evil individuals get to keep their bodies in hell)

I personally think that would be far more interesting, and would open up the possibility for more movies about Daddy Goku since it will probably happen. Bardock could gain SSJ powers through training, fighting the frost demons in hell for revenge, meet with his old crewmates, and perhaps even watch his son become a legendary hero from the afterlife.

It sounds very fanficcy to be honest, but I just wanted to get down some shower thoughts, and see if you guys think a movie like this would have been better. If you don't agree, tell me, how would you change the special?

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Re: An easy way they could have made Episode of Bardock Work

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:22 pm

Honestly, I'm conflicted. While what you described would in some ways be better than what we had in Episode of Bardock, at least that did give us some new elements (another race, Chilled, another possible origin for how and why Freeza knew about and was afraid of Super Saiyans, etc.). At this point, it just kind of is what it is I guess.

I'm partially conflicted though, because the stuff you mentioned about Bardock seeing what his son did throughout the series, and training in the afterlife? That's more or less exactly the kind of thing an old, old, super-old-and-unfinished-and-finally-purged-from-the-internet-thank-god fanfic of mine was doing at one point in time. It picked up with his being judged by Enma, having to spend a number of years in Hell due to his actions prior to his "heel faced turn to being good" as I took it at the time, meeting and having to beat some sense into Raditz after his death, meeting Goku when he fell off of Snake Way and fell into Hell, and eventually meeting and fighting King Cold and Freeza after their deaths, and through the fight, becoming a Super Saiyan and beating Freeza down much like his son before him. I'm fairly sure I got through all of that in the story at the time, which albeit fanficcy, wasn't TOO awful (outside of the writing being crap I'm sure)...but where I was planning to take it after that from what I recall...sheesh.

So...yeah. The less I have to recall this fic, the better, so I'll more or less take EoB as it is. :?
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Re: An easy way they could have made Episode of Bardock Work

Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:35 pm

TheXenoverse wrote:
Considering that the Bardock story is technically part of 'anime canon' now :think: due to the existence of Dragonball Minus ( :thumbdown: )
How so? Ooishi said that Episode of Bardock is written as a what if story.
I was just absurdly happy and fired-up to be able to draw a Bardock what-if story! I want Bardock to keep playing a big role in video and card games from here on out!
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You could say that Episode of Bardock is written as a story set in a alternate timeline like if Bardock did live somehow. It can't really be canon if it's a what if story. I personally think there is no way that Episode of Bardock could have work. The whole time travel part made no sense on how Bardock was sent back in time. We don't know if Bardock did went back to present day or not. To me, Bardock died when Planet Vegeta blew up.
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Re: An easy way they could have made Episode of Bardock Work

Post by TheXenoverse » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:41 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:Honestly, I'm conflicted. While what you described would in some ways be better than what we had in Episode of Bardock, at least that did give us some new elements (another race, Chilled, another possible origin for how and why Freeza knew about and was afraid of Super Saiyans, etc.). At this point, it just kind of is what it is I guess.

I'm partially conflicted though, because the stuff you mentioned about Bardock seeing what his son did throughout the series, and training in the afterlife? That's more or less exactly the kind of thing an old, old, super-old-and-unfinished-and-finally-purged-from-the-internet-thank-god fanfic of mine was doing at one point in time. It picked up with his being judged by Enma, having to spend a number of years in Hell due to his actions prior to his "heel faced turn to being good" as I took it at the time, meeting and having to beat some sense into Raditz after his death, meeting Goku when he fell off of Snake Way and fell into Hell, and eventually meeting and fighting King Cold and Freeza after their deaths, and through the fight, becoming a Super Saiyan and beating Freeza down much like his son before him. I'm fairly sure I got through all of that in the story at the time, which albeit fanficcy, wasn't TOO awful (outside of the writing being crap I'm sure)...but where I was planning to take it after that from what I recall...sheesh.

So...yeah. The less I have to recall this fic, the better, so I'll more or less take EoB as it is. :?


Haha no no its fine man, I'm throwing around ideas at 1am so of course its going to sound like that :P

To be honest, the watching Goku thing would be something at the end perhaps for heartwarming purposes or as a reward for doing something or saving someone towards the end of the movie.

Honestly, I'd want just want
-Something like the Otherworld Tournament from DBZ to be honest with new characters, or maybe even some alien races he killed, like a Kanassan Warrior,who he could eventually befriend friends
-A smaller conflict/rival character for the movie
-Treat it like a flashback movie, getting an idea of who Bardock really is, him reflecting on his life (eg. childhood as a canon fodder soldier, becoming friends with his squad, meeting Gine, remembering the one time he saw Raditz etc. right up to his death)
-Perhaps an allusion to Bardock having the potential to unlock SSJ, rather than transformation
-Remixed Solid State Scouter :clap:

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Re: An easy way they could have made Episode of Bardock Work

Post by TheXenoverse » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:45 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:
TheXenoverse wrote:
Considering that the Bardock story is technically part of 'anime canon' now :think: due to the existence of Dragonball Minus ( :thumbdown: )
How so? Ooishi said that Episode of Bardock is written as a what if story.
I was just absurdly happy and fired-up to be able to draw a Bardock what-if story! I want Bardock to keep playing a big role in video and card games from here on out!
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... roduction/

You could say that Episode of Bardock is written as a story set in a alternate timeline like if Bardock did live somehow. It can't really be canon if it's a what if story. I personally think there is no way that Episode of Bardock could have work. The whole time travel part made no sense on how Bardock was sent back in time. We don't know if Bardock did went back to present day or not. To me, Bardock died when Planet Vegeta blew up.

I agree, I'm not a fan of 'Revive Bardock' or even 'SSJ Bardock' to be honest, but if they're going to do a story, they need to seize the opportunity and do it well.

I cannot remember where exactly I had heard this so I have no source to show plausablility, but in assuming that it was a promotional item for the SSJ Bardock character new to Dragonball Heroes at the time, I had heard she was limited in what she could tell or that she had little time to make sense of a 'Bardock SSJ' scenario. But it could very well be wrong :crazy:

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Re: An easy way they could have made Episode of Bardock Work

Post by fadeddreams5 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:38 pm

I like this idea more... for Goku. You know, after he died in the Cell Games. This is the route I would've preferred they went, and also one of the reasons I adore the Other World saga. He'd be the hero of the other world, and Gohan would fill his role in the living one. Both being main characters.

Bardock is not meant to keep his body in Hell; he was an evil mass-murderer who's claim to fame was trying to stop Frieza because he was concerned about his race.
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