Chiki wrote:Goku and Trunks at the start of the Android saga were also shown to be able to control their emotions just as well as Goten and Trunks do.
No. They don't. They're are acting serious as SSJ, no smile, no laughs. If Goten and Trunks aren't FPSSJs, I assume you see them strong as SSJ Namek Goku and that can't be possible.
kidhero1000 wrote:I think Piccolo should of gotten some sort of Whis training before this tournament. Can't take someone who was struggling with one of Freeza cronies as a legit competitor.
Is not like everyone in U6 is God-Tier (already said by some in this thread)
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Chiki wrote:Goten and Trunks aren't FPSSJs. That's a stupid thing to claim, there's no evidence for that whatsoever.
They have Full Power Super Saiyajin eyes (possibly aura as well).
I wouldn't like for Goku to win and Piccolo and Boo to lose, as that would be predictable. At least, make Boo win a good fight. I'm guessing the strongest fighter will win some fights but ultimately lose, it wouldn't make sense introducing him just to have him lose right off the bat... if he's the strongest and loses the first battle, it's an automatic lost tournament.
kidhero1000 wrote:I think Piccolo should of gotten some sort of Whis training before this tournament. Can't take someone who was struggling with one of Freeza cronies as a legit competitor.
Is it confirmed he's getting 0 training from Whis?
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
kidhero1000 wrote:I think Piccolo should of gotten some sort of Whis training before this tournament. Can't take someone who was struggling with one of Freeza cronies as a legit competitor.
Is it confirmed he's getting 0 training from Whis?
With only five days Earth time until the tournament begins? Doubt they could get enough training in that short amount of time, unless time flies by differently on Beerus world.
He devolved into saying only one word. Time to hit the ol' cosmic trail.
Obviously, the one that Champa still doesn't have should be the 4th Super DB. Goten should be the one to find it.
Goku (and Goku jr) got the 4th DB.
Gohan got the 4th Namekian DB.
Goten should be the one finding this one.
Goten/Trunks should go looking for it with Bulma. Like they went with Videl in Broly - Second Coming movie.
It would be a good way to bring these two to the story, while the growing ups are fighting at the tournament.
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A world without Dragon Ball is just boring.
Favourite old DB Animators: Masaki Sato and Tadayoshi Yamamuro
Favourite new DB Animators: Yuya Takahashi and Chikashi Kubota
FortuneSSJ wrote:Goten/Trunks should go looking for it with Bulma. Like they went with Videl in Broly - Second Coming movie.
It would be a good way to bring these two to the story, while the growing ups are fighting at the tournament.
I agree with that a lot, their power could be very necessary for Bulma in this quest.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
kidhero1000 wrote:I think Piccolo should of gotten some sort of Whis training before this tournament. Can't take someone who was struggling with one of Freeza cronies as a legit competitor.
Is it confirmed he's getting 0 training from Whis?
With only five days Earth time until the tournament begins? Doubt they could get enough training in that short amount of time, unless time flies by differently on Beerus world.
Bullshit gains have been something Super loves, so I am sure Piccolo and maybe Boo will get some bullshit gains in 5 days.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:
Bullshit gains have been something Super loves, so I am sure Piccolo and maybe Boo will get some bullshit gains in 5 days.
Not really, so far its the same thing as movies
Movies had em too so my point still stands. Neither are much different from GT logic.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:
Movies had em too so my point still stands.
You mean super and movies right? Not just super
Super borrows from the movies so yes. Super also embellishes the movies cases to even more ridiculous levels. Not even GT had inflation that bad.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:Super borrows from the movies so yes. Super also embellishes the movies cases to even more ridiculous levels. Not even GT had inflation that bad.
What do you mean?
People thought Goku in base being SSJ3 level in 15 years was bad, and Goku beating SSJ's in base was dumb. Super laughs at that measly gain.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:Super borrows from the movies so yes. Super also embellishes the movies cases to even more ridiculous levels. Not even GT had inflation that bad.
What do you mean?
People thought Goku in base being SSJ3 level in 15 years was bad, and Goku beating SSJ's in base was dumb. Super laughs at that measly gain.
Actually in all my time on the internet i have seen little to no one complaining about goku base being as strong as a ssj3 ,i never had a problem with it ,but this doesn't mean picolo will fight god-tiers like beerus and goku.
derpgoku wrote:Actually in all my time on the internet i have seen little to no one complaining about goku base being as strong as a ssj3 ,i never had a problem with it ,but this doesn't mean picolo will fight god-tiers like beerus and goku.
I saw that complaint a billion times. So many people complain that GT is absolutely so ridiculous with power levels that there isn't a point in trying to make sense of them. I personally think Super takes that to 11.
I said earlier that I think Piccolo would at least get some training beforehand from Whis. I can see Beerus be cautious and want to make sure everyone is at the best level they can be. I also suggested that considering how ridiculous gains in a really short time is what Super has shown so far, it's entirely possible for Piccolo to get ridiculous gains in a short time too.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:Super borrows from the movies so yes. Super also embellishes the movies cases to even more ridiculous levels. Not even GT had inflation that bad.
What do you mean?
People thought Goku in base being SSJ3 level in 15 years was bad, and Goku beating SSJ's in base was dumb. Super laughs at that measly gain.
I miss the old days where people used to love bash GT and make several threads about its plot holes. Will the same happen with Super?
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
dbzfan7 wrote:
Bullshit gains have been something Super loves, so I am sure Piccolo and maybe Boo will get some bullshit gains in 5 days.
4 months of training vs 5 measly days of it. Well, look out Freeza, there is a new fighting prodigy it town.
FortuneSSJ wrote:- About the last Super Dragon Ball-
Obviously, the one that Champa still doesn't have should be the 4th Super DB. Goten should be the one to find it.
Goku (and Goku jr) got the 4th DB.
Gohan got the 4th Namekian DB.
Goten should be the one finding this one.
Goten/Trunks should go looking for it with Bulma. Like they went with Videl in Broly - Second Coming movie.
It would be a good way to bring these two to the story, while the growing ups are fighting at the tournament.
Nah, such an adventure is best left to the scholar of the family. He could write a book about his Journey to the center of the universe in a few years from now.
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He devolved into saying only one word. Time to hit the ol' cosmic trail.
dbzfan7 wrote:Movies had em too so my point still stands. Neither are much different from GT logic.
They are very different from GT. Vegeta is the one who made huge gains in Super so far, and he made them after special training from Whis and by becoming a Saiyan beyond God through that special training. The other one is Freeza, who was a prodigy mutant that had never trained before, yet was the strongest mortal in the Living World before the appearance of the Super Saiyans, and he did special training to draw out all of his dormant powers.
In GT, they just got stronger out of nowhere.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
