RandomGuy96 wrote:and according to you can't sense ki
According to me? According to who can he sense ki?
Simply put, there is nothing in the narrative supporting Freeza being wrong about being able to kick base Vegeta's ass.
I don't disagree that tired Golden Freeza is still stronger than base Goku & Vegeta, I disagree about the gap you are claiming that there is. Vegeta's feat, and Freeza being nervous after that even though he claims that he is still no match for him, shows that the gap isn't that big between them.
I will make it very, very simple. SSGSS Goku, when below his full power, tanks hits from a worn out Golden Freeza. He suffers no damage. This would necessitate a difference much larger than x1.25 or x1.33, which were roughly the differences between Goku/Freeza and Vegeta/Recoome respectively. This worn out version of Freeza is still much stronger than Goku's base form, to the point that he thought someone apparently stronger than base Goku had absolutely no chance against him. This gap should also be much bigger than x1.25, especially when considering that he still loses stamina quickly, and knows this. Full power SSGSS Goku is still much weaker than Beerus; again, this gap should be x1.25 or greater, since Golden Freeza was both noticeably stronger than Goku and noticeably weaker than Beerus.
Goku doesn't show any sign of been much weaker than normally, so taking it into account is speculation. We can't know exactly how much weaker Golden Freeza is compared to Beerus, or how the SSGSSs compare to Beerus or to SSG.
And how can you use the Vegeta vs Reacoom fight when we don't know Reacoom's BP? All we know is that he is somewhere between 30.000 & 60.000, but closer to 30.000.
As for Goku vs Freeza, I assume you mean SS Goku vs FP Freeza? I don't think it's a very good example either, because the numbers don't come from the manga, and the numbers only work if we assume that the injuries that Goku & Freeza had sustained affected their performance.
Going purely by the manga, Vegeta was at 24.000, and he was so fast that Dodoria, at 22.000, couldn't see him getting behind him, and Vegeta was strong enough to stop Dodoria's hit with ease by just graping his arm, and could kill him with one ki blast. That's a 1.09 difference.
But then again, Dodoria was scared, so he wasn't fighting with a clear mind, like Nappa against Goku. So, maybe that isn't a great example either. There is also Vegeta (24.000) vs Zarbon (23.000), where Vegeta was strong enough to catch Zarbon's punch, dodge every single hit of Zarbon, deflect a powerful ki blast from Zarbon with one hand, and make his face bleed with one punch. That's a x1.04 difference, and they were both fully confident & in perfect physical condition.
Therefore, it is completely impossible to fit all these big gaps between SSG Goku's 6 and Beerus's 10,
In your opinion. Stop stating your opinion as a fact. It can work, if you want to.
SSG Goku - 60
SbG Goku (BoG) - 59
SbG Goku (FnF) - 60
SbG Vegeta - 59
SSGSS Goku - 75
SSGSS Vegeta - 73,75
Final Form Freeza - 45
Golden Freeza - 85
Golden Freeza (weakened) - 61
Beerus (holding back) - 70
Beerus - 100
In my opinion, these numbers work fine.
which you would need to do if Goku's base was god level (itself never suggested anywhere
In BoG, Beerus says that Goku's power decreased insignificantly when SSG disappeared. In Super, base Goku could destroy the big ki ball that he couldn't stop as a Super Saiyan (who was stated to be exactly as strong as SSG), and Whis says that Goku & Vegeta are at the level of the gods, which is why they can sense godly ki.
"He was off guard" is a very lame excuse to skirt around what was obviously supposed to be an impressive statement of power, which goes along well with Goku's base being much, much weaker than someone who is much, much weaker than his SSGSS form.
Well, Vegeta was able to kill Dodoria with a big ki blast and a x1.09 difference, so Beerus should be able to kill Goku with a weaker ki blast and a x1.6 difference.
