Well in gt case they goku and co have been training for years during that time so that makes sense honestlyDBZGTKOSDH wrote:They are very different from GT. Vegeta is the one who made huge gains in Super so far, and he made them after special training from Whis and by becoming a Saiyan beyond God through that special training. The other one is Freeza, who was a prodigy mutant that had never trained before, yet was the strongest mortal in the Living World before the appearance of the Super Saiyans, and he did special training to draw out all of his dormant powers.dbzfan7 wrote:Movies had em too so my point still stands. Neither are much different from GT logic.
In GT, they just got stronger out of nowhere.
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I don't really wanna make this into a power level thread. It's gonna annoy people who don't give a crap and I probably rolled some eyes just by mentioning them.pacz360 wrote:Well in gt case they goku and co have been training for years during that time so that makes sense honestlyDBZGTKOSDH wrote:They are very different from GT. Vegeta is the one who made huge gains in Super so far, and he made them after special training from Whis and by becoming a Saiyan beyond God through that special training. The other one is Freeza, who was a prodigy mutant that had never trained before, yet was the strongest mortal in the Living World before the appearance of the Super Saiyans, and he did special training to draw out all of his dormant powers.dbzfan7 wrote:Movies had em too so my point still stands. Neither are much different from GT logic.
In GT, they just got stronger out of nowhere.
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Looking to the fact that Goku/Gohan/Trunks/Vegeta got much stronger in one day before, this complaining is hilarious.kidhero1000 wrote: 4 months of training vs 5 measly days of it. Well, look out Freeza, there is a new fighting prodigy it town.
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Super Dragonballs are finally explained, apparently Saiyan Males have a type, and Tights has been on Earth this whole time...Which sounds impossible, but at least now we know for sure.
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It's developing great. Can't wait to see the tournament unfold. I'm curious about the test and if Buu and Goku are able to pass that.
Bit sad that Gohan was tossed away, but he is not a true fighter. However I hope the rest of them get something to do, so we see how Trunks & Goten and the rest of the Z fighters evolve. Questionable is if the saiyans of uni 6 are a big disappointment or not. If they would be strong, they should been obliterated by Champa a long time ago. Just like Beerus would have done it, if Freezar didn't happen to do it. Another thing I wish for is some entirely new characters, no copies of Buu, Cold, Freezar, Namekians, etc.
One more thing. Why didn't they asked the kaioshins to find the center of the universe?

One more thing. Why didn't they asked the kaioshins to find the center of the universe?
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So they could introduce a new character.KaiserAcedia wrote: One more thing. Why didn't they asked the kaioshins to find the center of the universe?
I don't think there is an in-universe answer to this one. It was just a plot device so that they could introduce Zuno. Whis could find the center too, but they didn't ask him either.
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Just read the latest chapter. Which do you guys prefer Black Star Dragon Balls or the Super Dragon Balls? I'm kinda don't know which ones :/
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So there are Super Dragon Balls in every universe, and Champa only collected the ones in U6? That's what the translated manga said.
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F*ck yeah! Based Piccolo's back in the game! This is the greatest DB news for me ever since Super was announced. I just hope Toriyama doesn't ruin everything and waste him as cannon fodder just to showcase how OP Shampa's warriors are.
Majin Buu is an interesting choice and makes sense power level-wise, but I won't hide that would rather have Kuririn or Tenshinhan.
Indifferent to Gohan being excluded, he's a fan favorite, but personally I never cared for him as a character. It always annoyed me a bit how he always gets effortlessly the most insane power up handed over to him. He's Dragon Ball's Sasuke Uchiha.
Hope that Beerus vs Shampa fights looks at least as good in the anime.
Everything looks pretty promising and exciting so far, but I'll be disappointed if Shampa's plans all come down to Earth's food and he's not hiding anything else. I mean, it definitely felt like those 2 were up to something more insidious in their teaser appearances in the beggining.
Also, based on that dialogue of Goku and Vegeta about their wives, I wouldn't be surprised if the two Saiyans from Shampa's team will end up being female versions of Goku and Vegeta.
Majin Buu is an interesting choice and makes sense power level-wise, but I won't hide that would rather have Kuririn or Tenshinhan.
Indifferent to Gohan being excluded, he's a fan favorite, but personally I never cared for him as a character. It always annoyed me a bit how he always gets effortlessly the most insane power up handed over to him. He's Dragon Ball's Sasuke Uchiha.
Hope that Beerus vs Shampa fights looks at least as good in the anime.
Everything looks pretty promising and exciting so far, but I'll be disappointed if Shampa's plans all come down to Earth's food and he's not hiding anything else. I mean, it definitely felt like those 2 were up to something more insidious in their teaser appearances in the beggining.
Also, based on that dialogue of Goku and Vegeta about their wives, I wouldn't be surprised if the two Saiyans from Shampa's team will end up being female versions of Goku and Vegeta.
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How is it hat Bulma apparently has a sister and he have never heard about? We've pratically followed Bulma's since she was 16 and not even a single mention of it.
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To be fair, that day was an year.FortuneSSJ wrote:Looking to the fact that Goku/Gohan/Trunks/Vegeta got much stronger in one day before, this complaining is hilarious.
They did say they didn't want Beers and Whis to know they were looking for them. As for not asking the Kaioushins... well, only Goku is buddies with them and usually communication starts from their part so that might be why they didn't bother. Kaiou is a little more difficult to explain but, if I remember right, Goku didn't show interest in finding them so, being the one able to go to Kaiou's, he just didn't bother/think it was a priority.Abel Taylor wrote:So they could introduce a new character.KaiserAcedia wrote: One more thing. Why didn't they asked the kaioshins to find the center of the universe?
I don't think there is an in-universe answer to this one. It was just a plot device so that they could introduce Zuno. Whis could find the center too, but they didn't ask him either.
The Ultimate Dragon Balls never made any sense from the get go.eledoremassis02 wrote:Just read the latest chapter. Which do you guys prefer Black Star Dragon Balls or the Super Dragon Balls? I'm kinda don't know which ones :/
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It's implied he collected the ones in his Universe but we don't know yet.DragonHermit wrote:So there are Super Dragon Balls in every universe, and Champa only collected the ones in U6? That's what the translated manga said.
Because family ties. And she was out in space a lot. By the way, would it be too nonsensical if Tights was in space, even though Bulma called her?AvatarReiko wrote:How is it hat Bulma apparently has a sister and he have never heard about? We've pratically followed Bulma's since she was 16 and not even a single mention of it.
What if the last Super Dragon Ball is New Namek? The poor guys

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piccolo will get a power up it will be a ritual like saiyan god to become a namekian god, 5 days is enough time and i also expect buu to get a power up.
for toei it will make merchandise sell aswell
and look at the poster for dragonball super that was released in june it has goku centre with vegeta and piccolo next to him so piccolo will probably play a big role. if you look at the poster aswell if has champa holding earth which makes sense now
for toei it will make merchandise sell aswell
and look at the poster for dragonball super that was released in june it has goku centre with vegeta and piccolo next to him so piccolo will probably play a big role. if you look at the poster aswell if has champa holding earth which makes sense now
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No, because they're Saiyans, we're familiar with their potential because was something build since the Saiyan Arc. Nobody knows about Freeza's race and was never implied in the series that he had so much potential, just that he born with a huge BP.FortuneSSJ wrote:Looking to the fact that Goku/Gohan/Trunks/Vegeta got much stronger in one day before, this complaining is hilarious.kidhero1000 wrote: 4 months of training vs 5 measly days of it. Well, look out Freeza, there is a new fighting prodigy it town.
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The manga continues to be amazing.
Plot's shaping up nicely. Been so long since a good ol' fashioned tournament, and this time without filler Piccolo Pikon.
Plot's shaping up nicely. Been so long since a good ol' fashioned tournament, and this time without filler Piccolo Pikon.
Super Balls, by far. Better than "Ay yo dawg, deez are the supa seekrit dragonballs that have always been up here but you rubes never knew 'bout them, but somehow Pilaf does!"eledoremassis02 wrote:Just read the latest chapter. Which do you guys prefer Black Star Dragon Balls or the Super Dragon Balls?
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Presumably, the Kaio(shin) wouldn't want to be involved anyway. They don't like getting tangled up in the Hakaishin's business and the Elder Kaioshin had already previously warned Goku and the gang about using regular Dragon Ball going against the natural order. I doubt they'd want to help find the original, no limits Super Dragon Balls.alakazam^ wrote:They did say they didn't want Beers and Whis to know they were looking for them. As for not asking the Kaioushins... well, only Goku is buddies with them and usually communication starts from their part so that might be why they didn't bother. Kaiou is a little more difficult to explain but, if I remember right, Goku didn't show interest in finding them so, being the one able to go to Kaiou's, he just didn't bother/think it was a priority.Abel Taylor wrote:So they could introduce a new character.KaiserAcedia wrote: One more thing. Why didn't they asked the kaioshins to find the center of the universe?
I don't think there is an in-universe answer to this one. It was just a plot device so that they could introduce Zuno. Whis could find the center too, but they didn't ask him either.
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Retcons.AvatarReiko wrote:How is it hat Bulma apparently has a sister and he have never heard about? We've pratically followed Bulma's since she was 16 and not even a single mention of it.
But as an in-universe answer it could be that Tights was always away and Bulma just never bothered saying anything. But if she's been on Earth then it is strange why she was never around
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Because Db manga started in 1984 and Jaco came out in 2013.AvatarReiko wrote:How is it hat Bulma apparently has a sister and he have never heard about? We've pratically followed Bulma's since she was 16 and not even a single mention of it.
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Even if she's on Earth, what's strange about it? It's made abundantly clear in Jaco that while Tights loves her family, she's also basically emancipated herself from them (she doesn't want their money, she doesn't live there before or after Jaco, she generally doesn't want people to know they're related, etc). The only part where it truly becomes questionable that she and Jaco aren't mentioned during the original series is when the gang needs to go to Namek and starts talking about spaceships.Dbzfan94 wrote:Retcons.AvatarReiko wrote:How is it hat Bulma apparently has a sister and he have never heard about? We've pratically followed Bulma's since she was 16 and not even a single mention of it.
But as an in-universe answer it could be that Tights was always away and Bulma just never bothered saying anything. But if she's been on Earth then it is strange why she was never around
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It's not that weird that Tights wasn't mentioned before. I mean the 23rd TB ended and Goku never talked with anyone again during 4 years. But I agree that Jaco should've come up during Namek, specially when its basically the same problem that she has currently.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Even if she's on Earth, what's strange about it? It's made abundantly clear in Jaco that while Tights loves her family, she's also basically emancipated herself from them (she doesn't want their money, she doesn't live there before or after Jaco, she generally doesn't want people to know they're related, etc). The only part where it truly becomes questionable that she and Jaco aren't mentioned during the original series is when the gang needs to go to Namek and starts talking about spaceships.
Although we can brush it off as it didn't pass her mind, because she so rarely sees Jaco and her sister and was still in shock by everyone's death.