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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Soppa Saia People » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:35 pm

SSJ4 Zarbon Jr wrote:Ok people I speak to seem to hate it for the wrong reasons, we are not 17 Episodes in and I'm still reserving judgement as we haven't gotten into the meat of the series.

ME PERSONALLY am the biggest DBZ fan I know, I'm 19 and My cousins got me watching from very young and since then its been a massive part of my life, I will NEVER abandon it no matter how much of a left turn it makes in my eyes BUT that doesn't mean I cant critique it,

What I don't like about Dragonball Super

1) The Transformations
This is a very Lazy comeback for DBZ, We wait SUCH a long time and we get The Super Sayain God looking like a less exiting version of Kaioken? I'm sorry but splashing a bit of red aura around him is not enough for that long of a gap.
On top of that we continue rehashing forms with Super Sayain God Super Sayain (Super Sayain Blue) not only was it a silly name but now it's just the spiky hair of an ascended Sayain but BLUE, like really? two transformations in and nothing new. I Would take SSJ4 any day, that was one of the things GT did right in my opinion.
Scratch that, Freeza, He returns and his new transformation is THE SAME but GOLD, which brings me to my next point.

2)The Villains
Don't get me wrong it's not like Beerus isn't cool as shit and so is Whis, but so far they haven't REALLY proved to be like villain villains if you know what I mean, So far we have had one TRUE villain and that's guess who? No one new, Freeza for the like 3rd time (4 if you count GT), He got defeated by Goku, Then came back a robot and got sliced up by Trunks, and then you guessed it back again in Dragonball Fukkatsu No F with a new .... I mean recolour,

3) Relevance
I feel like since Goku and Vegeta have become GODS, all of the characters we have invested in and loved have little to no relevance any more, Like really, they can probably get killed in a Wink, the gaps are waaay too far apart, literally worlds apart.
Back in Dragonball Z there were small details that made ME personally love the series, I wasnt there for just the fighting I was there for the story and little character developments here and there. For example

Gohan Turning into an Ascended Sayain (SSJ2) in my opinion The Best Moment In The Whole Of Dragonball History, The fact that at that time he was Way stronger than Goku brought variation to the show, the signs hinting that Gohan had this secret power since he was a baby, (Head butting the tree, Head butting Raditz, (DO NOT GET ME STARTED ON HOW THEY RUINED HIM) Holding his own against Garlic Jr)
The Uncle like figure Piccolo was to him
Bits like Trunks going SSJ for the first time, "I guess I'll go... SUPER! HYYAAA!" thats was crazy. And Goten being like "Since mom's not around is it ok if become like you, with the gold hair and the super strength"

The whole eeriness the start of the Cell saga had and the Garlic jr saga had and the Androids, the feeling that there was a real Threat. (and Garlic Jr's hideous trousers and all that Vampire stuff)

Another thing is that SPOILER ALERT in the Manga, Whs speaks of the other universe having alternate versions of them similar to how Beerus and Champa are, If this is the case, this is Rehashing TO THE EXTREME, I mean COME ON NOW.

I could go one but this would be like 20 pages.



Don't get me wrong I do like a lot things about it like

1) The art style is gorgeous, for all you people saying that you prefer the old Art, I do agree but it doesn't make this any less likeable, its Dragonball Super and it's 2015, of course they are going to make it look newer.

2)The Multi-verse, The fact that there are 12 more universes is awesome and keeps us engaged, The only thing is I feel like we started too high up, we have already met Beerus The God Of Destruction of the seventh universe, he said to be the most feared among many of the gods,

3)A little Detail, Although there hasn't been much, from what's been shown is cool, for example when they were fighting Freizas army he states that Gokus son could wipe out the entire fleet with a single swipe or blast if he was so inclined,
We also see that when they do fight, Piccolo is also a cut above the rest when it comes to combat as he should be.
The small light hearted scenes are also a joy to watch

4) New characters, They are pretty cool and well done characters if you ask me, Whis being my favourite, Beerus, Champa(even though it feels like another rehash) and his guardian, the new Galactic dude (Forget his name)

All in all I don't like as much as I would have hoped but its not all bad, The People who say they Love it and say that anyone who doesn't like it are just Nostalgia fags and ya yadyada are people who jumped on towards End and when KAI aired, The people who I consider REAL fans like me have been watching since DragonBall and Toonami and they either agree with me or see exactly where I'm coming from.

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Post by VegettoEX » Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:15 am

SSJ4 Zarbon Jr wrote: The People who say they Love it and say that anyone who doesn't like it are just Nostalgia fags and ya yadyada are people who jumped on towards End and when KAI aired, The people who I consider REAL fans like me have been watching since DragonBall and Toonami and they either agree with me or see exactly where I'm coming from.
There are so many things wrong with this on so many levels.

First off, your "nostalgia fags" statement is just gross beyond comprehension. That's not OK. Don't talk like this.

Second, as has been mentioned, people were fans - EVEN OF THE ENGLISH DUB - before Toonami existed, nevermind of the original Japanese version. To say you came in with Toonami and have been a fan since then isn't anything at all to hold over anyone. You are not a special snowflake for this.

This isn't about you having an unpopular opinion; this is about you tossing out disgusting and factually-inaccurate statements, something that won't slide in our community.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by The Patrolman » Sat Nov 21, 2015 5:33 pm

SSJ4 Zarbon Jr wrote:Ok people I speak to seem to hate it for the wrong reasons, we are not 17 Episodes in and I'm still reserving judgement as we haven't gotten into the meat of the series.

ME PERSONALLY am the biggest DBZ fan I know, I'm 19 and My cousins got me watching from very young and since then its been a massive part of my life, I will NEVER abandon it no matter how much of a left turn it makes in my eyes BUT that doesn't mean I cant critique it,

What I don't like about Dragonball Super

1) The Transformations
This is a very Lazy comeback for DBZ, We wait SUCH a long time and we get The Super Sayain God looking like a less exiting version of Kaioken? I'm sorry but splashing a bit of red aura around him is not enough for that long of a gap.
On top of that we continue rehashing forms with Super Sayain God Super Sayain (Super Sayain Blue) not only was it a silly name but now it's just the spiky hair of an ascended Sayain but BLUE, like really? two transformations in and nothing new. I Would take SSJ4 any day, that was one of the things GT did right in my opinion.
Scratch that, Freeza, He returns and his new transformation is THE SAME but GOLD, which brings me to my next point.

2)The Villains
Don't get me wrong it's not like Beerus isn't cool as shit and so is Whis, but so far they haven't REALLY proved to be like villain villains if you know what I mean, So far we have had one TRUE villain and that's guess who? No one new, Freeza for the like 3rd time (4 if you count GT), He got defeated by Goku, Then came back a robot and got sliced up by Trunks, and then you guessed it back again in Dragonball Fukkatsu No F with a new .... I mean recolour,

3) Relevance
I feel like since Goku and Vegeta have become GODS, all of the characters we have invested in and loved have little to no relevance any more, Like really, they can probably get killed in a Wink, the gaps are waaay too far apart, literally worlds apart.
Back in Dragonball Z there were small details that made ME personally love the series, I wasnt there for just the fighting I was there for the story and little character developments here and there. For example

Gohan Turning into an Ascended Sayain (SSJ2) in my opinion The Best Moment In The Whole Of Dragonball History, The fact that at that time he was Way stronger than Goku brought variation to the show, the signs hinting that Gohan had this secret power since he was a baby, (Head butting the tree, Head butting Raditz, (DO NOT GET ME STARTED ON HOW THEY RUINED HIM) Holding his own against Garlic Jr)
The Uncle like figure Piccolo was to him
Bits like Trunks going SSJ for the first time, "I guess I'll go... SUPER! HYYAAA!" thats was crazy. And Goten being like "Since mom's not around is it ok if become like you, with the gold hair and the super strength"

The whole eeriness the start of the Cell saga had and the Garlic jr saga had and the Androids, the feeling that there was a real Threat. (and Garlic Jr's hideous trousers and all that Vampire stuff)

Another thing is that SPOILER ALERT in the Manga, Whs speaks of the other universe having alternate versions of them similar to how Beerus and Champa are, If this is the case, this is Rehashing TO THE EXTREME, I mean COME ON NOW.

I could go one but this would be like 20 pages.



Don't get me wrong I do like a lot things about it like

1) The art style is gorgeous, for all you people saying that you prefer the old Art, I do agree but it doesn't make this any less likeable, its Dragonball Super and it's 2015, of course they are going to make it look newer.

2)The Multi-verse, The fact that there are 12 more universes is awesome and keeps us engaged, The only thing is I feel like we started too high up, we have already met Beerus The God Of Destruction of the seventh universe, he said to be the most feared among many of the gods,

3)A little Detail, Although there hasn't been much, from what's been shown is cool, for example when they were fighting Freizas army he states that Gokus son could wipe out the entire fleet with a single swipe or blast if he was so inclined,
We also see that when they do fight, Piccolo is also a cut above the rest when it comes to combat as he should be.
The small light hearted scenes are also a joy to watch

4) New characters, They are pretty cool and well done characters if you ask me, Whis being my favourite, Beerus, Champa(even though it feels like another rehash) and his guardian, the new Galactic dude (Forget his name)

All in all I don't like as much as I would have hoped but its not all bad, The People who say they Love it and say that anyone who doesn't like it are just Nostalgia fags and ya yadyada are people who jumped on towards End and when KAI aired, The people who I consider REAL fans like me have been watching since DragonBall and Toonami and they either agree with me or see exactly where I'm coming from.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by precita » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:07 am

Don't know if this is unpopular or not, but Yakon is the most boring villain in the shows history. Everytime I watch his episode I nearly fall asleep. I liked the idea of a creature being able to absorb Goku's energy and turn him back to his base form, but other than that he was unmemorable. Spending an entire episode on him was a chore, Goku/Yakon should have been 10 minutes at the most.

Come to think of it Babidi had the worse henchmen in the history of the series, excluding Dabura of course.

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Post by DanielSSJ » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:50 am

precita wrote:Don't know if this is unpopular or not, but Yakon is the most boring villain in the shows history. Everytime I watch his episode I nearly fall asleep. I liked the idea of a creature being able to absorb Goku's energy and turn him back to his base form, but other than that he was unmemorable. Spending an entire episode on him was a chore, Goku/Yakon should have been 10 minutes at the most.

Come to think of it Babidi had the worse henchmen in the history of the series, excluding Dabura of course.
They basically exist to show how awesome the main characters are and neither Pui Pui nor Yakon have particularly interesting designs. Definitely not top henchman material.
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Post by Avery » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:13 am

I don't think Goku is as great of a character as people claim him to be, and, in all honesty, he becomes one of the least interesting characters after the Freeza arc.

Just an opinion, ok? I still like the dude. :D
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Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:17 pm

Avery wrote:I don't think Goku is as great of a character as people claim him to be, and, in all honesty, he becomes one of the least interesting characters after the Freeza arc.

Just an opinion, ok? I still like the dude. :D

In the buu saga he was written VERY out of character. He's at his best in GT, and in the original ball. I think in Z he's just to much ....well half assed in terms of his writing compared to GT and ball. Like in Z he's never there, his personality is inconsistent and he seams to be stupid in Z when he's supposed to be a genius.
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Post by nickzambuto » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:47 pm

I think Chi-Chi is the hottest character in the series, and I'm talking milf Boo arc Chi-Chi.

Does that count?

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Post by Doctor. » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:58 pm

I think Goku is one of the most complex characters in the series and his Boo arc character is him at his best.

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:10 pm

What did Buu saga Goku even do, besides indirectly cause all the calamity that happened?


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Post by Doctor. » Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:13 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:What did Buu saga Goku even do, besides indirectly cause all the calamity that happened?


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Indirectly cause all the calamity that happened. That's why he's great.

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Post by ABED » Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:16 pm

I put the blame squarely on Vegeta's shoulders, which doesn't seem to be popular. In the same way, I don't blame SUperman for the destruction in Man of Steel, I blame the genocidal maniac, Zod.

I don't know if I would consider Goku one of the most complex characters, but he's more interesting than he's given credit for. I love Superman, but Goku isn't a do-gooder like him. Goku is a benevolent and goofy and enjoys life, but he's first and foremost a fighter, to the point that he will let evil beings survive, be created, etc. in order to have a good fight. He's far from the perfect hero, but I still find him heroic.
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Post by precita » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:57 pm

For some reason Dabura reminded me a lot of the movie villains. I'm not sure why, he seemed like a character who could have held his own movie rather than just being Babidi's henchmen.

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:26 pm

GT isn't nearly as bad as people say. It's overall a let down but with better direction with its usage of characters, GT could easily rival DB/Z. The Baby Saga in particular is done wonderfully although it could still improve

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:09 pm

precita wrote:For some reason Dabura reminded me a lot of the movie villains. I'm not sure why, he seemed like a character who could have held his own movie rather than just being Babidi's henchmen.
Not sure if this counts as an unpopular opinion. I agree with it. He'd make a great movie villain. Instead of him invading, Goku and co would need to visit the demon realm for something. =D
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Post by Dbzfan94 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:11 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:
precita wrote:For some reason Dabura reminded me a lot of the movie villains. I'm not sure why, he seemed like a character who could have held his own movie rather than just being Babidi's henchmen.
Not sure if this counts as an unpopular opinion. I agree with it. He'd make a great movie villain. Instead of him invading, Goku and co would need to visit the demon realm for something. =D
I would love to see Dabura as a major threat, or even have him return. Giving him a power boost and team up with Mira and Towa in Heroes was a great idea that I'd love to see expanded in Xenoverse 2 or even Super

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Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:40 pm

Movie 10 Broly>Buuhan. I stand by that.
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Post by Cipher » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:48 pm

Doctor. wrote:I think Goku is one of the most complex characters in the series and his Boo arc character is him at his best.
I'll co-sign this.

But I really like cosmically powerful, dangerously bored Goku.

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Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:50 pm

Cipher wrote:
Doctor. wrote:I think Goku is one of the most complex characters in the series and his Boo arc character is him at his best.
I'll co-sign this.

But I really like cosmically powerful, dangerously bored Goku.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Cipher » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:51 pm

Could Goku's shirt be the sole object restraining his power?

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