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Thoughts on Kid Buu

Post by Vijay » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:50 am

A fitting final boss villain?

Blasted freakin Earth away in a matter of seconds, killed key Z fighters in da process & wrecked havoc in Kaioshin Realm (to be honest, he outlasted SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Veggie, Good Buu rather easily)

Fierce & aggressive af. Yet funniest boss villain DBZ ever had.

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Post by precita » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:53 pm

Kid Buu represents pure chaos, so yes he was a fitting final villain. The fact that he didn't want to conquer the universe like Freeza, but to exterminate all life is a big difference. Him also being able to teleport to Otherworld and kill everyone who is already dead kicked it up a notch, because he was even going to wipe out everyone in existence even after they already died!

Super Buu was too similar to Cell in terms of personality and intelligence, so I'm glad he reverted to Kid Buu for the final fight. If Super Buu was the end it would have seemed like Perfect Cell all over again.

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Re: Thoughts on Kid Buu

Post by DoomieDoomie911 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:24 pm

I think Pure Boo was definitely a suitable final villain. He was pretty much the first villain of the series to actually be an animal rather than a being with the ability to think rationally. There was absolutely no reasoning with it, and it only had one instinct: to destroy.
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Re: Thoughts on Kid Buu

Post by fadeddreams5 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:01 pm

I love Kid Buu, but compared to the other main baddies (Piccolo jr, Frieza, Cell, Baby, and Omega Shenron), he was the LEAST fitting final boss. To me, a fitting final villain would have some connections with either the saiyans, dragon balls, or Goku. He has none of the above; he's not even a deity, like Beerus. He's just a random genie, putty thing that came out of nowhere (literally too, going by recent interviews).
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Re: Thoughts on Kid Buu

Post by Cipher » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:39 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:I love Kid Buu, but compared to the other main baddies (Piccolo jr, Freeza, Cell, Baby, and Omega Shenron), he was the LEAST fitting final boss. To me, a fitting final villain would have some connections with either the saiyans, dragon balls, or Goku. He has none of the above; he's not even a deity, like Beerus. He's just a random genie, putty thing that came out of nowhere (literally too, going by recent interviews).
Eh. He's always seemed fitting to me on pure scale: a creature designed to kill the highest Gods that Goku and co. end up tangling with.

Tonally, he's also ridiculous enough to be the final villain, and I think represents the series really nailing its blend of drama and whimsy.

And yes, I dig that he becomes a little wackier/more animalistic for the final fight; more fitting as a final test for Goku. The stakes and strangeness aren't overshadowed by a mustache-twirling villain.

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Re: Thoughts on Kid Buu

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:58 pm

Easily the best buu,fun in the games but I feel buu should have been movies instead of a saga. broly would have been a better saga. And better last villain.
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Re: Thoughts on Kid Buu

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:50 pm

Kid Boo was certainly one of the more least complex villain Toriyama created, but I certainly enjoyed his sadistic, psychotic and ferocious childlike attitude. And hey, he was the first villain to actually destroy the Earth so he automatically fit the criteria of "Final Boss" for me because Dragon Ball had never reached that stage of peril before.

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Post by NintendoFan28 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:11 pm

I like Kid Boo, but I don't think he should have been the final boss. Even if he was similar to Cell, I feel like Super Boo pre-absorption or Bootenks would have been a more fitting final boss than Kid Boo.

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Post by IDreamtIWasABee » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:14 pm

precita wrote:Him also being able to teleport to Otherworld and kill everyone who is already dead kicked it up a notch, because he was even going to wipe out everyone in existence even after they already died!
If they had made it clear from the beginning that Boo's purpose was to erase the afterlife, the saga would have the dramatic heft it needed (as opposed to a silly story with a dramatic Vegeta subplot).
Super Buu was too similar to Cell in terms of personality and intelligence, so I'm glad he reverted to Kid Buu for the final fight. If Super Buu was the end it would have seemed like Perfect Cell all over again.
Really? He seems more like a streetwise Freeza to me. Super Boo's very, very Type B, in his element when shit's getting out of hand. A cunning killer from the gutters (complete with an abusive/controlling parent!) who still had a soft enough heart to goof off with the utterly unprepared kid sent to fight him, rather than get pissy and beat the shit out of him like Cell (who had a Type A temper tantrum every time things got out of his control). I know he gets boring after he absorbs Gotenks, but the original Super Boo's actually a nice change of pace. 17 and 18 done right.

On topic, Kid Boo's the shit, but he's not a great villain for the grand finale of the series. I wish he was more of a multidimensional puppy with rabies rather than a straightforward jungle animal.

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Re: Thoughts on Kid Buu

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:47 pm

He simply cannot be taken seriously as a threat due to the vast number of ways the protagonists have to defeat him, which they pass on for fun. To wit, even if he managed to kill Goku, all that would happen is Goku would come back with an Afterlife body and reduce him to nothingness, like he was originally going to do.
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Post by Vijay » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:26 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:I love Kid Buu, but compared to the other main baddies (Piccolo jr, Freeza, Cell, Baby, and Omega Shenron), he was the LEAST fitting final boss. To me, a fitting final villain would have some connections with either the saiyans, dragon balls, or Goku. He has none of the above; he's not even a deity, like Beerus. He's just a random genie, putty thing that came out of nowhere (literally too, going by recent interviews).
No offence, but Omega as final boss is a F*** NO!

Garbage design, pointless fight & not to mention his terrible beatdown against Chou Ultra Furu Powar Supa Saiyajin 4 Goku & Gogeta.

To be a final villain,that too for a show of DB's caliber, you need to have some "it" factor

All Omega has is bloody-ass hard shell & whiskers

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Post by B » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:40 pm

I like that Genuine Buu holds no real connection to the Dragon Team. The Buu arc doesn't really hold any connection the rest of the series; it's very tacked on to begin with. If everything was neatly tied together, you'd end up with Naruto where, for some reason, there are three alternate versions of Naruto's team across multiple generations because it's so deep how history repeats itself, or something.
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Re: Thoughts on Kid Buu

Post by fadeddreams5 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:46 am

Vijay wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:I love Kid Buu, but compared to the other main baddies (Piccolo jr, Freeza, Cell, Baby, and Omega Shenron), he was the LEAST fitting final boss. To me, a fitting final villain would have some connections with either the saiyans, dragon balls, or Goku. He has none of the above; he's not even a deity, like Beerus. He's just a random genie, putty thing that came out of nowhere (literally too, going by recent interviews).
No offence, but Omega as final boss is a F*** NO!

Garbage design, pointless fight & not to mention his terrible beatdown against Chou Ultra Furu Powar Supa Saiyajin 4 Goku & Gogeta.

To be a final villain,that too for a show of DB's caliber, you need to have some "it" factor

All Omega has is bloody-ass hard shell & whiskers
Don't get me wrong, I think he's garbage as far as personality, motives, and lack of impact go too. But as far as power, abilities, and association with the dragon balls, he fits that role of "final boss" the best... if he was re-envisioned.

Also, people seem to forget that Omega Shenron's regeneration was on par with Buu's, and he had the ability to incinerate everyone into ashes. The character was broken, but plot prevented him from demonstrating that. >.>
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Re: Thoughts on Kid Buu

Post by precita » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:00 am

I'm kind of worried that Super won't be able to top Kid Buu with whoever the main villain turns out to be. Beerus was a great addition to the universe but he's not a real villain, and until we find out who the villain is we have to sit here wondering.

What would Toriyama top Buu with?

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:30 am

precita wrote:I'm kind of worried that Super won't be able to top Kid Buu with whoever the main villain turns out to be. Beerus was a great addition to the universe but he's not a real villain, and until we find out who the villain is we have to sit here wondering.

What would Toriyama top Buu with?
I'd be surprised if Super even tops Pui Pui.
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Re: Thoughts on Kid Buu

Post by Vijay » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:07 am

precita wrote:I'm kind of worried that Super won't be able to top Kid Buu with whoever the main villain turns out to be. Beerus was a great addition to the universe but he's not a real villain, and until we find out who the villain is we have to sit here wondering.

What would Toriyama top Buu with?
With due respect, not even Toriyama can top Buu when it comes to being unstoppable force.

Maybe Broly & Janemba fit, but so far, none of the villains (GT, BOG, ROF, Super) have been able to portray the terrifying & brutal nature to a T

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Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:01 am

Vijay wrote:
precita wrote:I'm kind of worried that Super won't be able to top Kid Buu with whoever the main villain turns out to be. Beerus was a great addition to the universe but he's not a real villain, and until we find out who the villain is we have to sit here wondering.

What would Toriyama top Buu with?
With due respect, not even Toriyama can top Buu when it comes to being unstoppable force.

Maybe Broly & Janemba fit, but so far, none of the villains (GT, BOG, ROF, Super) have been able to portray the terrifying & brutal nature to a T

I don't think janemba was all that terrifying personally. Broly yes,Omega shenron and Bebi yes. Super 17? More so then buu,buu's constant use of cheap tricks like healing and absorbing made him lose all aspects of being a threat,he wasn't stronger,he was just cheap and it was annoying for me. I'd like buu more if he was more sadistic and ACTUALLY stronger then Goku and friends,and not one who needs regeneration to survive 99% of his fights.

They need to add Broly to super (it's an opinion people calm down) but do his story more clearly and much better. BEcause the biggest and strongest and Final threat needs to be the dragonballs themselves like GT or a TRUE super saiyan (and unstoppable, sadistic killing machine. Like vegeta originally described.)
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Re: Thoughts on Kid Buu

Post by Man-Child » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:44 am

My favorite form of the character. Not the talky egomaniac that was Super Boo, nor the annoying man-child that was Fat Boo. Kid Boo was a straightforward destructive menace. If he wants your planet destroyed, he'll do it right then and there. If he's having fun, it's through pummeling his opponents, then shaking his ass to show how pathetic they are. Almost like the best of Super Boo and Fat, in that he's pure chaos, but with a primitive, fun loving side to it.

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Post by ekrolo2 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:50 am

He's a fine physical adversary but he's just that: a tough freak. Freeza had the history with the Saiyan's, Cell was pretty much the ultimate hybrid of the good guys and the best efforts of a previous villain (the Red Ribbon Army). Hell, even with Piccolo Daimao you had Goku's grudge against him for being responsible for Krillin's first death.
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Re: Thoughts on Kid Buu

Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:19 pm

He was a device to quickly and cleanly cut off the the Super Buu quagmire and proceed to the endgame, and in that regard he's right on the money. He's not really a "last boss outta the blue" if you simply treat him as another version of Buu, and as Man-Child points out you could argue that he was what the other Buus were retroactively leading up to. You cannot get much more to the point when Toei cannot write filler about him without millions of people dying.
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