Gohan's Hidden Power?

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Gohan's Hidden Power?

Post by Kiwimelon » Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:48 pm

This has been on my mind ever since i've been watching this series; which was since I was a little girl in fact. Gohan had shown an incredible amount of power throughout the series. First showcased when he was four years old (excluding filler), Gohan power had reached to tremendous heights resulting from his restricted anger. Finally, when he was nine, he had complete control over his power and was able to transform into a whole new level entirely...

The question is, what happened to this power? Why did it appear in the first place? And just how strong is Gohan?

Another curious question of mine...why didn't Gohan's power appear in the future timeline?

(I hope this isn't a case of Toriyama's forgetfulness and his need to fill in a plot...) :|
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Re: Gohan's Hidden Power?

Post by Neon Z » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:19 pm

I don't think Future Gohan's lack of hidden power has anything to do with Toriyama forgetting. The chapter featuring him was made near the ending of the Cell Saga, so it's close to the point where present Gohan would awaken his own hidden power once again, leading to SSJ2. The lack of usefulness of his hidden power in the future was just... well, a plot device. I guess one could say that he just never had proper training, but that leads to all other issues with the future timeline, like Goku never contacting them from the Other World to tell about the Room of Space and Time. In general, Trunks' timeline only works if somehow everyone killed there just plain disappear and there's no Other World.

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Re: Gohan's Hidden Power?

Post by dbgtFO » Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:09 am

It would seem that Saiyans mating with Earthlings simply produces a powerful hybrid.
In Gohan's first appearance as a 4 year old he's already hiding power far surpassing his father and that's without any training. Gohan though being a little a kid, who has never fought or trained before isn't aware of his great power and only used it, when under intense emotional stress.
Goku is different in that regard (and maybe all full-blooded Saiyans are?), as he is fully aware of his power and can control it just fine. It should also be said, that Goku also got training from Grandpa Gohan, so we don't know how much control he had as a 4 year old, but DB minus at least implies he had some, or maybe that's just pure instinct?

In any case it would seem like, while the Earthling Saiyans are naturally more powerful, than the normal Saiyans, their Earthling mentality overshadows their Saiyan fighting instincts, thus full blooded Saiyans like Goku and Vegeta will eventually end up more powerful, as they are willing to apply themselves more, whereas the halfbreeds aren't. Furthermore it seems that the full-blooded Saiyans or at least Goku and Vegeta have more of an idea of where they have to improve themselves, whereas the half-breeds all seem lacking in this department. Both Goku and Vegeta figured out that there was a level beyond SS, both realized(Vegeta implictly) that taking the bulky forms too far would hamper them and now in Super, both seem to realize that training in their base forms without going SS will eventually help them reach the next level(SSGSS).

This aptitude at figuring out how to improve themselves explains why Future Gohan was such a failure. Despite having more than a decade to improve himself Future Gohan never got past the initial Super Saiyan level. Being the number 1 in terms of potential doesn't amount to much, if you don't know how to draw it out and clearly Future Gohan didn't know how to and didn't seem to understand at out all, that there was far greater power beyond SS(bulky forms and SS2).
And the most likely reason to that, is him being an Earthling/Saiyan hybrid. He isn't as in-tune with his powers as full-blooded Saiyans can be and thus he just doesn't have a clue, what to do.

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Re: Gohan's Hidden Power?

Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:05 pm

Gohan's hidden power appears and disappears when the plot demands for it. The Majin Boo arc is proof of this.

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Re: Gohan's Hidden Power?

Post by Kiwimelon » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:20 pm

Neon Z wrote:I don't think Future Gohan's lack of hidden power has anything to do with Toriyama forgetting. The chapter featuring him was made near the ending of the Cell Saga, so it's close to the point where present Gohan would awaken his own hidden power once again, leading to SSJ2. The lack of usefulness of his hidden power in the future was just... well, a plot device. I guess one could say that he just never had proper training, but that leads to all other issues with the future timeline, like Goku never contacting them from the Other World to tell about the Room of Space and Time. In general, Trunks' timeline only works if somehow everyone killed there just plain disappear and there's no Other World.
But then again, even without Goku or the HTC (Hyperbolic Time Chamber), Gohan was still able to unlock his hidden powers due to sentimental (mostly anger) conflictions gradually building in him, which soon caused a burst of power. The thing I'm supremely confused with in the future timeline is the fact that we never see Gohan using or bringing out this power despite the terrible situations. He may have before, but we don't really know. I was surprised, to say the least, that they didn't even show one example of his power with all the dilemma going on with those androids (cyborgs). (yes, I know he didn't get that surge of power when he was always angry but you would kind of expect during those situations he would be unleashing that power more frequently; however, this is a mere prediction.) But anyways, as you had mentioned, probably plot devices. :D
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Re: Gohan's Hidden Power?

Post by Kiwimelon » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:21 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Gohan's hidden power appears and disappears when the plot demands for it. The Majin Boo arc is proof of this.
Sucks. Could have did something interesting with it. Plot devices...
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Re: Gohan's Hidden Power?

Post by Kiwimelon » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:47 pm

dbgtFO wrote:It would seem that Saiyans mating with Earthlings simply produces a powerful hybrid.
In Gohan's first appearance as a 4 year old he's already hiding power far surpassing his father and that's without any training. Gohan though being a little a kid, who has never fought or trained before isn't aware of his great power and only used it, when under intense emotional stress.
Goku is different in that regard (and maybe all full-blooded Saiyans are?), as he is fully aware of his power and can control it just fine. It should also be said, that Goku also got training from Grandpa Gohan, so we don't know how much control he had as a 4 year old, but DB minus at least implies he had some, or maybe that's just pure instinct?

In any case it would seem like, while the Earthling Saiyans are naturally more powerful, than the normal Saiyans, their Earthling mentality overshadows their Saiyan fighting instincts, thus full blooded Saiyans like Goku and Vegeta will eventually end up more powerful, as they are willing to apply themselves more, whereas the halfbreeds aren't. Furthermore it seems that the full-blooded Saiyans or at least Goku and Vegeta have more of an idea of where they have to improve themselves, whereas the half-breeds all seem lacking in this department. Both Goku and Vegeta figured out that there was a level beyond SS, both realized(Vegeta implicitly) that taking the bulky forms too far would hamper them and now in Super, both seem to realize that training in their base forms without going SS will eventually help them reach the next level(SSGSS).

This aptitude at figuring out how to improve themselves explains why Future Gohan was such a failure. Despite having more than a decade to improve himself Future Gohan never got past the initial Super Saiyan level. Being the number 1 in terms of potential doesn't amount to much, if you don't know how to draw it out and clearly Future Gohan didn't know how to and didn't seem to understand at out all, that there was far greater power beyond SS(bulky forms and SS2).
And the most likely reason to that, is him being an Earthling/Saiyan hybrid. He isn't as in-tune with his powers as full-blooded Saiyans can be and thus he just doesn't have a clue, what to do.
Hmm..all you are saying is true but there is some conflictions with this. In the series, Gohan was shown to get immensely powerful whenever he was in a state of extreme sentimental dilemma, or rather, simply anger. Neither has Trunks nor Goten has expressed such a breakage in this particular attribute in strength. Yes, they may be stronger and more capable of reaching farther limits than a full-blooded Saiyan (As shown in how easily it took them to turn Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 3...which now thinking about it makes me feel as if that was only for fanservice/plot device to fill in the plot and to make things go faster...) yet, Gohan's 'hidden power', as we'll call it, was virtually more distinct than just 'gaining' more power (It was solely expressed through him alone). This power remarkably exceeds to an astonishing height unexplainably, from the simple premise of anger. Then, (before the Cell Games and before he could ever control it) it decreases rapidly, either to the power-level to where he was before, or even lower. It was all odd to me especially, whereas I rarely notice anyone taking notice of this with the exception of a few fellow acquaintances of mine.

I wonder if Toriyama was going to do something with his power in the future, but somehow disregarded that idea for undisclosed reasons. Similar as to why he dropped the idea of Gohan being the main character of the series (I know he didn't fit the role too good and the guy needs a break but come on! I wanted to see how the series would be with Gohan as the main! Or at least Vegeta...) =/

And that theoty of yours about Future Gohan is probably correct. I was thinking about that you know! :D I just didn't know if it was valid or not so I dismissed it. Now that you have stated what was on my mind priorly before though has kind of reassured me that maybe I was right all along.
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Re: Gohan's Hidden Power?

Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:26 pm

There is an edit post feature you should become used to, otherwise users will be bothered by the multi-posting here. You can multiple quote too to also avoid triple posting.

As for hidden power it really is as Beerus said. It's whatever the hell the plot requires it to be. Though people seem to treat Guru's power up as releasing all of Gohan's potential, which even according the Freeza saga it didn't as he can still have rage boosts despite having his potential unlocked. SSJ2 was a transformation like Goku had when going SSJ, so that really wasn't a potential unlock to the max either. Only Elder Kaioshin finally put an end to the potential thing when he drew it out far beyond it's limits, so rage boosts should be impossible now since there is nothing hidden anymore.

Though if the current events are to go by then states that have nothing to do with training magically disappear for no good reason. Full saiyans may have even more potential considering Beerus' end quote, but the Super Manga tell another story. So who really knows, and I'm pretty sure no one behind the series right now really cares.

Future Gohan was covered well enough by others that there really is nothing else I can think of to add.
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Re: Gohan's Hidden Power?

Post by Kiwimelon » Sun Dec 06, 2015 6:28 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:There is an edit post feature you should become used to, otherwise users will be bothered by the multi-posting here. You can multiple quote too to also avoid triple posting.

As for hidden power it really is as Beerus said. It's whatever the hell the plot requires it to be. Though people seem to treat Guru's power up as releasing all of Gohan's potential, which even according the Freeza saga it didn't as he can still have rage boosts despite having his potential unlocked. SSJ2 was a transformation like Goku had when going SSJ, so that really wasn't a potential unlock to the max either. Only Elder Kaioshin finally put an end to the potential thing when he drew it out far beyond it's limits, so rage boosts should be impossible now since there is nothing hidden anymore.

Though if the current events are to go by then states that have nothing to do with training magically disappear for no good reason. Full saiyans may have even more potential considering Beerus' end quote, but the Super Manga tell another story. So who really knows, and I'm pretty sure no one behind the series right now really cares.

Future Gohan was covered well enough by others that there really is nothing else I can think of to add.
I'm sorry...I'm just getting used to this website. I really only know a few features. I didn't mean to disturb anyone. Heh heh...

Anyways...I guess that puts an end to that interesting topic for now (rage boost are quite interesting.) Oh well. Thanks for the information.
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