Conditioning When It Comes to Battles

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Conditioning When It Comes to Battles

Post by Hero » Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:50 pm

So when it comes to real fights, conditioning is a big part especially when fights drag on. You could have a fighter with a lot more knock out power but low stamina and thus loses power more quickly than the weaker fighter and ends up being the weakest in the end of it all, leading to something like this:

Beginning of fight:
Strong Guy - 10
Weak Guy - 6

Fight drags on:
Strong Guy - 4
Weak Guy - 5

Many professional fights in real life have been won or lost because of conditioning and stamina... but the Z-fighters are rarely shown to do conditioning to build up their stamina. We see some examples in the beginning of the series such as Roshi taking Goku and Krillin for a run, and there's feats of endurance later on such as Snake Way, but that's more of a test than actual training. And yes, stamina is brought up in the show but mostly in regards to forms. SSJ Grade 2 is draining but that's because of the form itself, not the user. SSJ3 and Frieza's 100% (and his golden form) are draining too but once again because of the form. Mastering SSJ is the closest we got to stamina training, but even that wasn't so much training as let's just be SSJ until it doesn't feel weird anymore.

Also, it doesn't make much sense that characters like Frieza have such stamina and can battle for long periods of time with extreme effort if they've never trained before. Frieza being born crazy strong, that can make sense... but him somehow having great stamina too somehow... I don't see it. I just feel that it would've been interesting to see battles where the weaker character holds out just long enough for the stronger enemy to lose gas and become the weaker fighter in the match because he didn't train as hard for that battle attribute. It would've given weaker characters a fighting chance too which is something most people want. After all, I don't see any mention of raising your ki raising your stamina in the series so it seems to be something you have to specifically train for.

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Re: Conditioning When It Comes to Battles

Post by Kiwimelon » Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:18 pm

Hero wrote:So when it comes to real fights, conditioning is a big part especially when fights drag on. You could have a fighter with a lot more knock out power but low stamina and thus loses power more quickly than the weaker fighter and ends up being the weakest in the end of it all, leading to something like this:

Beginning of fight:
Strong Guy - 10
Weak Guy - 6

Fight drags on:
Strong Guy - 4
Weak Guy - 5

Many professional fights in real life have been won or lost because of conditioning and stamina... but the Z-fighters are rarely shown to do conditioning to build up their stamina. We see some examples in the beginning of the series such as Roshi taking Goku and Krillin for a run, and there's feats of endurance later on such as Snake Way, but that's more of a test than actual training. And yes, stamina is brought up in the show but mostly in regards to forms. SSJ Grade 2 is draining but that's because of the form itself, not the user. SSJ3 and Freeza's 100% (and his golden form) are draining too but once again because of the form. Mastering SSJ is the closest we got to stamina training, but even that wasn't so much training as let's just be SSJ until it doesn't feel weird anymore.

Also, it doesn't make much sense that characters like Freeza have such stamina and can battle for long periods of time with extreme effort if they've never trained before. Freeza being born crazy strong, that can make sense... but him somehow having great stamina too somehow... I don't see it. I just feel that it would've been interesting to see battles where the weaker character holds out just long enough for the stronger enemy to lose gas and become the weaker fighter in the match because he didn't train as hard for that battle attribute. It would've given weaker characters a fighting chance too which is something most people want. After all, I don't see any mention of raising your ki raising your stamina in the series so it seems to be something you have to specifically train for.
Well, you got to remember, I don't think they're going to show these people training 24/7 in the show. They may practice some sort of regimen to boost their stamina or endurance. Plus, what you're referring too is Dragon Ball Z mainly, a show where they rarely ever show any skills, techniques (other than beams;especially later in the series), and training like they did in Dragonball. Plus, this show was generally aimed at a younger audience, so they're not going to show intense, or rather, whole training regimens/ exercises to bore the audience. The audience prefers to see action, not training and the basics of anatomy/ martial arts.

You also have to remember that a multitude of fighters in Dragonball-Z-Super-Gt are not human. I don't ever recall Toriyama explaining the full extent or biological information of these aliens except for basic information (reproduction, gender, power, traits, distinctiveness, etc.) Maybe, these aliens naturally have more endurance than the average, or even strongly-built human, which causes them to exceed even the inhumane superiority of endurance/stamina. You never know! And yeah, that would be cool, but all Dragon Ball is now is strength, super saiyans, and speed. That is probably never going to happen...

I recommend you to maybe get in contact with someone who has read the original Daizenshuus, (basically somebody on this website, cuz, you know, these guys are like uber geeks and nerds when talking about Dragonball...including me :)) search this up on the wiki, or research some interviews with Toriyama and the other creators of this franchise. That is the best way too learn more about this if the information is available!
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Re: Conditioning When It Comes to Battles

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:27 pm

Isn't this what happened in RoF?
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Re: Conditioning When It Comes to Battles

Post by TheZFighter » Fri Dec 04, 2015 8:32 am

Most of the fighters in Dragon Ball are not human.
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Re: Conditioning When It Comes to Battles

Post by buutenks » Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:28 pm

Most dbz top tiers r saiyans,who r a race of beings born to fight nothing less nothing more.So they would naturally be born with high stamina.

And freeza,well hes a guy who can survive without oxygen,cut in half after a planet blew in his face and before that he got hit in the face with a ki blast from ssj goku mind i add..so ye and you r worried about stamina hehe funny ^^.

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Re: Conditioning When It Comes to Battles

Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:32 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:Isn't this what happened in RoF?
Pretty much. But many people still complained about it.

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