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Re: Narmy scenes

Post by Cipher » Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:22 pm

Re: TV Tropes: It's just that exists at the whims of people who lean far toward the nerdy side of pop culture and are generally unequipped to discuss fiction in a serious way, adding all these reference-heavy terms to aspects of writing for which critical language already exists. It doesn't exist to help identify or discuss tropes, or at least not anymore. It exists because it's fun to point out which characters are the "Big Bad" in your three favorite anime or whatever.

There's also the fact that it's so granular it's functionally useless for actual analysis, and has a self-indulgent quality to to its writing. This is from an actual article on the superhero "trope" of "Fights Like a Normal":
Then there's the rest of them. They have bona-fide powers that set them apart from Puny Earthlings, but for one reason or another, they either can't or won't just rely on them alone. They've taken Boxing Lessons For All Those Other Poor Schmucks, and fight very similarly to a Badass Normal most of the time. This can be for any of several reasons:
That's in the summary, and all those capitalized phrases are links to other "tropes" someone on the site's written about. What the actual fuck is that. Talk like a normal person! An entire field of academia exists for this and somehow manages to be less insufferable even at its most inscrutable and dry.

I don't know. There's this masturbatory, sheltered element to it that's always put me off, along with how heavily it's trafficked on the web and presented as if people should be familiar with its specific (superfluous) terminology.
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Re: Narmy scenes

Post by Doctor. » Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:30 pm

This! 18 seconds! It's not dramatic, it's not epic and it certainly isn't tense, it's just stupid!

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Re: Narmy scenes

Post by precita » Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:30 pm

TV tropes exist to tell us there are only 10 stories in all of fiction, and only a certain amount of character personality types that are re-used everywhere.

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Post by Cipher » Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:37 pm

precita wrote:TV tropes exist to tell us there are only 10 stories in all of fiction, and only a certain amount of character personality types that are re-used everywhere.
It goes about it an outstandingly masturbatory way.

It also invites this culture of playing the game of fitting even nuanced characters into their nearest trope (and why not, when you have hundreds to choose from), which I disagree with on a lot of levels.

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Re: Narmy scenes

Post by Wezenheim » Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:54 am

Cipher wrote:
precita wrote:TV tropes exist to tell us there are only 10 stories in all of fiction, and only a certain amount of character personality types that are re-used everywhere.
It goes about it an outstandingly masturbatory way.

It also invites this culture of playing the game of fitting even nuanced characters into their nearest trope (and why not, when you have hundreds to choose from), which I disagree with on a lot of levels.

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Haha well I will certainly do my best to avoid it in the future. I really don't care for that type of mindset.

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Post by Fionordequester » Sat Dec 05, 2015 3:48 am

Honestly, I think TV Tropes is fine, and I'm happy it exists. I mean, the homepage itself tells you that just because something is a trope, that doesn't mean it's inherently bad or unrealistic. In fact, it even tells you that a story without tropes is the most boring story ever written. So really, the sites only there to have some fun spotting the tropes in what you watch, it's not ACTUALLY supposed to be taken seriously!

Anyways though, back to Narmy moments, I always felt like Piccolo was a bit of a dolt in how he fought others. Yes, he may have been a fairly smart guy, but in terms of actual fighting skills? He was kind of...eh, and this clip is a perfect example of why...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_-2u2Bm8tKA (0:00-1:17)

I mean, first, he let's himself just stand right in front of Freeza's, not making ANY attempt whatsoever to prepare for anything he might do. Then, after 30 whole seconds of waiting, he spends the next five seconds doing absolutely nothing as he...

1) Watches Frieza smirk.

2) Literally watches him tighten his fist before...

3) Actually raising said fist UP, signaling to everyone in the world that yes, he is indeed going to punch Piccolo.

Piccolo watches ALL of this, and STILL manages to get slugged in the face by what has to be one of THE most ridiculously telegraphed punches in the entire show. And then, immediately after that, he flies into the air, actually watches Frieza fly up next to him, cup his hands together, raise them up, and hold a pose for ANOTHER five seconds, again making it clear to all the world exactly what he's planning on doing.

Piccolo not only does nothing, but actually spends the next seven seconds monologuing about how he can't POSSIBLY get away, all while apparently flying in the exact same velocity as Frieza, in the exact same direction, and not making ANY attempt to stop what's happening next...

I mean dang, for someone who's supposed to be so smart, this fight REALLY didn't show him in a very positive light :lol: !
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Re: Narmy scenes

Post by Doctor. » Sat Dec 05, 2015 6:06 am

Honestly, I never thought Piccolo was a very smart fighter. Remember how he got fooled by Goku in the 23rd BT into increasing his size even more? Gee, Piccolo, I wonder WHY Goku made that comment, surely not to rescue someone you ate just a few seconds prior, way to go, getting fooled by a mentally challenged manchild. Oh, and let's not forget his ingenious sneak attack in the android arc. Where he fakes getting hit by Gero and waits for.... what exactly? For #19 to get stronger and kill Goku? What could have he possibly accomplished through a sneak attack that he couldn't have done normally? Surely killing Gero, or at least damaging him, right away and then taking #19 off Goku would have been the most logical thing to do.

Goku and the humans are the only characters in DB who are constantly portrayed as good tacticians and actually justify that title in battle. All of the other characters are idiots when it comes to battle smarts.

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Post by dbgtFO » Sat Dec 05, 2015 6:16 am

Doctor. wrote:Honestly, I never thought Piccolo was a very smart fighter. Remember how he got fooled by Goku in the 23rd BT into increasing his size even more? Gee, Piccolo, I wonder WHY Goku made that comment, surely not to rescue someone you ate just a few seconds prior, way to go, getting fooled by a mentally challenged manchild. Oh, and let's not forget his ingenious sneak attack in the android arc. Where he fakes getting hit by Gero and waits for.... what exactly? For #19 to get stronger and kill Goku? What could have he possibly accomplished through a sneak attack that he couldn't have done normally? Surely killing Gero, or at least damaging him, right away and then taking #19 off Goku would have been the most logical thing to do.
Leave Piccolo alone! He wasn't even 15 years old, when he tried to fool Dr. Gero, so of course his intelligence wouldn't be that amazing!

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Re: Narmy scenes

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Dec 05, 2015 6:24 am

How is Vegeta's reaction to Bulma's slap from Super not here already? Its fucking hilarious.
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Post by Fionordequester » Sat Dec 05, 2015 6:26 am

Actually, I think that was on the previous page.
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
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Re: Narmy scenes

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Dec 05, 2015 7:15 am

Fionordequester wrote:Actually, I think that was on the previous page.
Dang it! You're right.

Well, I guess I'll just say all of episode 5 of Super falls into the unintentionally hilarious category for its animation alone.
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Re: Narmy scenes

Post by Avery » Sat Dec 05, 2015 8:30 am

Guys, can you please stop this TV Tropes thing? I don't like that place either and didn't even know about the term's origin when I made this thread. I was just trying to recall what English speakers called such scenes and it happened to cross my mind. I never thought it would offend so many people. Would you like it if I changed the title?
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Post by ABED » Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:31 am

Avery wrote:Guys, can you please stop this TV Tropes thing? I don't like that place either and didn't even know about the term's origin when I made this thread. I was just trying to recall what English speakers called such scenes and it happened to cross my mind. I never thought it would offend so many people. Would you like it if I changed the title?
It's not about offending people. I wasn't offended. I said what was on my mind, and I also thought it was weird to just use the term and assumed everyone knows what it meant.
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Post by B » Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:25 am

Maybe it doesn't count, since I certainly didn't notice until recently, but In Dragon Ball Episode #14, Goku packs up everything after the Pilaf arc and heads for Kame House to receive training, and it's a pretty flying montage of him going over the sea and through caves and mountains and such, musically set to an instrumental of "Makafushigi Adventure". At first glance, it's just nice scenery, but when you're an older, learned fan who is conscious of filler, it's pretty obviously there to pad out time. It's exactly one minute and 30 seconds, the same length as the OP, which if you're a kid in 1986 watching the show on Fuji TV, you got to see it twice. I watched it recently and it was just funny to me how long it was, and I felt the need to time it.

I guess story examples would be all the tone-deaf "it was a different time back then" jokes in regards to women and sexuality: Chichi falling in love with Goku after getting her crotch patted; Kame Sennin showing Goku two photos: a larger woman and and a slender woman and asking him to identify "the attractive one"; Kame Sennin rifling through porn mags with a drooling smile until he comes across a homosexually-oriented one and starts gagging... I guess 25 years ago all this was funny because people thought this way; today it's funny because I can't fathom that people thought this way(and that it's all stuffed in a series for kids). I suppose in a weird way, this means the jokes are never dated, or that the fact they're dated is funny now.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:50 am

successoroffate wrote:What's TV Tropes?
A wretched hive of scum and villainy.
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Post by ABED » Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:00 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
successoroffate wrote:What's TV Tropes?
A wretched hive of scum and villainy.
We must be cautious.
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Re: Narmy scenes

Post by Fionordequester » Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:29 pm

B wrote:Maybe it doesn't count...
Oh no, this definitely counts :D ! It's the same way I feel when I'm watching the Ginyu Saga, and there are all these incessant cutaways to Guru, who literally says and does absolutely nothing but sit stoicly. It's kind of hilarious in how blatant it is.
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Post by ABED » Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:40 pm

I'm not sure if I'd call him stoic. He's not overly emotional, but you can hear the pain when he thinks of his children being killed off and unlike the constant cutaways to Bulma, The Grand Elder does add some tension to the story. Will he live long enough for the good guys to get their wishes? And what cutaways have him literally saying nothing?
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