"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[sintzu]

Can someone translate this ?

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[Chuquita]

Upcoming episode titles and summaries of dragon ball super are out. If someone could translate these, it would be great.

Spoiler:

Looks like there are different, or maybe shortened summaries, on the one you posted in the animators thread:

Spoiler:

Seems we only get one new title this time. You should wait for someone who knows what they are doing more than myself, but 24 seems to be something like "Clash! Freeza vs. Son Goku - This is the result of my training!" and 25 & 26 remain nameless like the Ginyu body switch episode last time,

I eagerly anticipate translations. :3

[alakazam^]

Can someone translate this ?

https://www.facebook.com/GojiitaAF/phot ... 58/?type=3

Toriyama's saying that, while he did write both Kami to Kami and Fukkatsu no F's stories, he didn't draw them so there's no manga/comics/volumes for them. So, that anime comics is the only way for people to read the new Dragon Ball in book form. And it's all in color! He also thinks people will surely notice stuff they previously didn't when watching the movie.

Upcoming episode titles and summaries of dragon ball super are out. If someone could translate these, it would be great.

Episode 23 - Bulma finally contacts Whis and tells them what's happening but Goku and Vegeta will take 35 minutes to return to Earth. The summary TheDevilsCorpse posted says Goku senses the "swollen up" ki from Gohan because of Piccolo's death and uses the Shunkan'idou to teleport there.

Episode 24 - Goku and Freeza's fight begins. The other summary says something about Vegeta but can't read it all.

Episode 25 - Goku changes into the form that even surpasses SSG to handle the powered-up Freeza. Seeing him, Freeza has a bold smile and reveals his trump card.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

So the big changes of the arc are over then? Pretty disappointing. But looks like we should be wrapped up by 26 or 27.

[LightBing]

So Piccolo definitely died? Goku will mutate into SSB? Are they really gonna have his first transformation be against Freeza... I guess by episode 28 the arc will be over.

[Chuquita]

Shocked if Piccolo really did die.
So there is A teleportation, but we don't yet know if it's THE teleportation. *Anxious*.
I guess mutate is just a different way to say the same thing about blueper being blueper.

[irreality]

So the big changes of the arc are over then? Pretty disappointing. But looks like we should be wrapped up by 26 or 27.

That… would be really fast: you think they will do Golden Freeza fight and loss of power, Vegeta's fight, Goku's shot through the heart, the destruction/recreation of earth, plus the denoument in one or two episodes? Given their pace of one plot point per episode, I find it highly unlikely.

[raulvalente]

So... Piccolo is really dead and Gohan's ki expand abnormally... Interesting. I'm also interested in this mutation. Curious word choice.

The rest seem to be just like the movie. Let's see if Toei writers make any changes to the laser beam scene or the ending.

[sintzu]

Episode 24 - Goku and Freeza's fight begins. The other summary says something about Vegeta but can't read it all.

Episode 25 - Goku "mutates" into the form that even surpasses SSG to handle the powered-up Freeza. Seeing him, Freeza has a bold smile and reveals his trump card.

I'm guessing his fight will end in 27 while Vegeta's will start in 28 and hopefully it'll last till 29 or 30.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

So the big changes of the arc are over then? Pretty disappointing. But looks like we should be wrapped up by 26 or 27.

That… would be really fast: you think they will do Golden Freeza fight and loss of power, Vegeta's fight, Goku's shot through the heart, the destruction/recreation of earth, plus the denoument in one or two episodes? Given their pace of one plot point per episode, I find it highly unlikely.

One can hope haha. It is possible. Episode 24 base fight, cliffhang SSGSS about to happen. Episode 25 show both transformations and have the entire fight 20mins is plenty. Episode 26 Goku being lasered then Vegeta takes over and goes SSGSS then end. Episode 27 Vegeta and Freeza fight and the rest of the movie plays out in this episode. Or squeeze Vegeta fight in 26 and have the Earth blowing up as a cliffhanger.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Looks like SSGSS and Golden Freeza will debut in 25 (likely at the end). They stretched Goku and Beerus' first battle into a full episode and their rematch into 5. Assuming things stay similar to the original from here on out, for the bigger points anyway, I'm thinking it will at least be spaced out so that...

26 starts SSGSS Goku vs Golden Freeza's fight.
27, at the end, could debut Freeza's weakness.
28 will be Goku stalling, then getting shot
29 will be Vegeta's turn and end with Freeza's surprise attack
30 will be Goku saving the day and the post battle stuff ala 14

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

Dunno why people are taking "mutates" as something it isn't. Again. Y'all don't remember? This happened before. When it was said that Vegeta would "mutate" his power to fight Beerus? And eeeeeveryone was like, "OMG SSJ3 VEGETA CONFIRMED", and then when it wasn't everyone was disappointed. Sometimes you guys put too much thought into stuff lol...

[irreality]

Looks like SSGSS and Golden Freeza will debut in 25 (likely at the end). They stretched Goku and Beerus' first battle into a full episode and their rematch into 5. Assuming things stay similar to the original from here on out, for the bigger points anyway, I'm thinking it will at least be spaced out so that...

26 starts SSGSS Goku vs Golden Freeza's fight.
27, at the end, could debut Freeza's weakness.
28 will be Goku stalling, then getting shot
29 will be Vegeta's turn and end with Freeza's surprise attack
30 will be Goku saving the day and the post battle stuff ala 14

Yeah, this is a much more reasonable timeline. I think this is how it will go. At most I'd add an extra episode for the Vegeta fight, but seems like somewhere around 30 will be the end.

[alakazam^]

Shocked if Piccolo really did die.
So there is A teleportation, but we don't yet know if it's THE teleportation. *Anxious*.
I guess mutate is just a different way to say the same thing about blueper being blueper.

Yeah, they used a similar word for Vegeta's rage. In fact, there they used totsuzen hen'i which is normally used in "mutation" and here they just said hen'i, maybe "change" would be more accurate. Either way, it's just a glorified way of saying they transform.

I doubt Piccolo actually dies but whatever, a past summary also said it was Tagoma that would change his body with Ginyu's so it's best to not take them at face value.

[Chuquita]

Shocked if Piccolo really did die.
So there is A teleportation, but we don't yet know if it's THE teleportation. *Anxious*.
I guess mutate is just a different way to say the same thing about blueper being blueper.

Yeah, they used a similar word for Vegeta's rage. In fact, there they used totsuzen hen'i which is normally used in "mutation" and here they just said hen'i, maybe "change" would be more accurate. Either way, it's just a glorified way of saying they transform.

I doubt Piccolo actually dies but whatever, a past summary also said it was Tagoma that would change his body with Ginyu's so it's best to not take them at face value.

This is true.

If it wasn't for Piccolo being a part of the next arc, the fact that the DB's are inactive, and the allusions to GT (because Piccolo died in GT) I'd be more inclined to think he died.
Then on the other hand, the New Namek balls could be active, but it seems so out of the way, plus who knows what's going on with Whis' time travel in this version.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Are you kidding? Super has only made Goku MORE in character and MORE in line with what Toriyama believes it to be. Goku here is more selfish about getting stronger than ever before.

In Super, while Goku is still dissatisfied that he became stronger with the help of others, he is also excited with the kind of power he obtained. In BoG, he disliked the power of SSG, until he managed to absorb its power. Toriyama also said that Goku doesn't like the power of SSG because he doesn't think it's fair to become stronger with the help of others. And don't forget that whatever his involvement with Super BoG & FnF arcs is (assuming there is any), he isn't more involved with them than he was with the movies, where he personally wrote their entire scripts.

As for Kuririn, this is definitely Toei's Kuririn, since he keeps getting treated like trash. In BoG, he is treated as a joke like in the movies (when he eats that spicy food with his usual "why is it always me?!" catchphrase from the anime), he is scared to fight Beerus and finds silly excuses in order not to fight, and he is scared of fighting Freeza's weak soldiers, even though he is was the 3rd strongest of the Z-Warriors.

That was the shittiest moment in the franchise IMO. At first, I got excited with the idea that Kuririn is scared of Freeza, since he killed him. But it turns out he is actually scared of the soldiers... And everyone acts as if he is in danger, and he needs encouragement from Kame-sennin, who tells him that their movements appear slow because Kuririn has seen the fights with Cell, Boo, and Beerus. No, that's not the reason they appear to be slow, it's because Kuririn is too strong for them! They are treating the strongest Earthling as if this is Saiyan arc Gohan, which is really disappointing.

And as for the scene you mentioned in FnF, where Kuririn hits a tree and gets saved by Gohan, that's Toei's work too. That scene isn't in Toriyama's script.

The movies are also written, according to Toriyama, as if the manga was still in serialization. Super BoG/FnF are written as continuations of the anime, which is why Gregory, Mr. Satan's crew, and Frog Ginyu from the anime appear in Super. The Champa arc from the Super manga fits fine with the original manga & the movies so far, so we'll see how the Champa arc of the anime fits as well, but the Super BoG & FnF arcs don't fit with the manga.

[irreality]

The movies are also written, according to Toriyama, as if the manga was still in serialization. Super BoG/FnF are written as continuations of the anime, which is why Gregory, Mr. Satan's crew, and Frog Ginyu from the anime appear in Super. The Champa arc from the Super manga fits fine with the original manga & the movies so far, so we'll see how the Champa arc of the anime fits as well, but the Super BoG & FnF arcs don't fit with the manga.

Only in the sense of minor cameos, though, nothing major. They aren't referring to Garlic Jr. or something like that. OTOH, the movies require the JSAT, which Super does not.

[Hellspawn28]

And the movies won't have a continuation. So unless you're canon is Battle Of Gods, Resurrection F, and then Season 3 of Super, but for some reason not the first 2 seasons... See? It doesn't make sense. Super still has some questions and continuity issues but it's so far the most complete story of Battle Of Gods and Resurrection F. And Super just changes so much, and it just feels so much more Toriyama.

Going by what we seen in the Super manga, it's possible that U6 saga will only follow the BOG and ROF, not the Super versions of it. Goku remembers hearing the 12 universes from Beerus when Beerus never brings it up in the show. If Toriyama is writing the story for the U6 saga then we can assume that since I doubt he has any part on the retelling of BOG and ROF. Not to mention if the U6 saga has no mention or any flash backs of stuff in BOG and ROF that was only in Super then it's possible that the U6 saga will only follow the movie versions of BOG and ROF.

[Bullza]

Pretty much, I'm sure that Toriyama is writing the Universe 6 arc as a continuation of the movies making it part of the manga canon.

It will however be shown as part of Super making the arc both manga and anime canon.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Only in the sense of minor cameos, though, nothing major. They aren't referring to Garlic Jr. or something like that. OTOH, the movies require the JSAT, which Super does not.

That only applies for Mr. Satan's crew. Gregory isn't just a background character like in the JSAT that can be ignored, and with Frog Ginyu, his survival was an anime-only thing. And even if we ignore that, since it is explained again in Super, it references the Bulma & Ginyu filler, which you can't know without watching the anime. Gregory's & Frog Ginyu's case is exactly like with Garlic Jr, you can't know about them without watching the anime.