MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection! (Updated 3/16/26!)

[Kuririn Fan]

Huge fan of this! Great stuff!

[Gaffer Tape]

I still want to address/engage with some of the previous posts on this thread when I get a chance, but for now I just want to say how amazing it is to me that this thread now has over a thousand posts in it. That is just absolutely mind-blowing to me. I can't believe it's been almost four years since I started it up, and I know I wondered at the time whether anybody would care about this thing at all. So it means a lot to me that so many people have found something of value with these videos.

[Mewzard]

DBD: The Saiyan Arc Part 6!

DBD December continues. Spoiler: Piccolo dies. And, perhaps even more surprisingly, I talk about what drives me especially crazy about Dragon Ball Minus.

To quote my Youtube comment (which was probably long enough to warrant posting here instead):

"Couldn't one appreciate the Minus situation as a tragedy in a new light? Unsung "heroes" (I use heroes in quotes because Bardock's still just as much of a genocidal murderer as the rest) being viewed no better than the rest of their people despite their (relatively) noble sacrifice, and the life they saved showing them no love for it?

Frankly, I like that Minus establishes a reason for why Freeza actually manages to almost wipe out the entire race. Before, it was just that he happened to catch all but four members of a race that makes their living conquering planets and killing the people on them on his whim of an attack (he didn't seem to time it or anything). Also, that Bardock figures things out with a mixture of instinct and logic over random psychic powers (always an element of the Bardock Special I found a bit forced).

Honestly, Minus' biggest failing wasn't the premise or events, it was the pacing, build up, and character bits. There were some good ideas there, but one chapter's worth of material was not enough and hurt it. If it had more time to build characters, reveal motivations more subtlely, and give Bardock some time to mull over things while interacting with his people and wife, while Freeza made preparations for things and gave us some insights into his own issues with the Saiyans, I think people would have taken it a lot more happily (like a single volume with the Saiyans).

Of course, Toriyama probably wouldn't have done half of that even with such time, but he might have done some of it, and could have given us a more broadly appealing work. That said, given Toriyama pretty much said working on Jaco all but destroyed him physically, it was probably a case of too little, too late and the man just couldn't handle more.

I'm all good with the rest of the video, I've just always taken personal issue that people seem to treat Minus as though it had no merit, when there were elements of a good story there, it just never got to bloom like it could have (way too compressed).

Keep up the good work man! Can't wait to see your Dead Zone video!"

Not saying it's not flawed (it is), I just feel it had some interesting ideas and potential, but couldn't hope to meet it in such a small release. It was more a victim of that than of bad ideas (properly executed, I feel people would be more inclined to enjoy it).

I still want to address/engage with some of the previous posts on this thread when I get a chance, but for now I just want to say how amazing it is to me that this thread now has over a thousand posts in it. That is just absolutely mind-blowing to me. I can't believe it's been almost four years since I started it up, and I know I wondered at the time whether anybody would care about this thing at all. So it means a lot to me that so many people have found something of value with these videos.

You deserve the attention man, your videos have been fantastic, going into the series that have made me try to think about my feelings for the series more closely.

[MarCas92]

I still want to address/engage with some of the previous posts on this thread when I get a chance, but for now I just want to say how amazing it is to me that this thread now has over a thousand posts in it. That is just absolutely mind-blowing to me. I can't believe it's been almost four years since I started it up, and I know I wondered at the time whether anybody would care about this thing at all. So it means a lot to me that so many people have found something of value with these videos.

In my opinion you deserve more exposure. Your content is ridiculously well written and thought out. You are appreciated by almost everyone here. I'm holding a survey in a seperate thread (http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =1&t=32625) and it looks like your most peoples favorite youtuber on here. Even beating out TFS! Keep up the great work man!

[Soppa Saia People]

DBD: The Saiyan Arc Part 6!

DBD December continues. Spoiler: Piccolo dies. And, perhaps even more surprisingly, I talk about what drives me especially crazy about Dragon Ball Minus.

I'd argeed with everything said. Even the stuff about "9000". Keep up the good work.

[Kid Buu]

When you were describing that character from Serenity I thought it sounded familiar to Buffy, then I wikipedia'd the show and found out Joss Whedon was behind that too, and then I laughed.

[RandomGuy96]

When you were describing that character from Serenity I thought it sounded familiar to Buffy, then I wikipedia'd the show and found out Joss Whedon was behind that too, and then I laughed.

Whedon always writes like Whedon, logic and pre-established characterizations be damned.

Anyway, I really liked your (Fusion's) little rant on Minus and the Goku-Vegeta conversation. I've always thought the same thing. It's a surprisingly poignant moment for such a silly and dumb show, and is one of the main reasons I consider the Saiyan arc to be the best written of the major story arcs (even if I personally enjoy the Buu arc more).

[Kid Buu]

When you were describing that character from Serenity I thought it sounded familiar to Buffy, then I wikipedia'd the show and found out Joss Whedon was behind that too, and then I laughed.

Whedon always writes like Whedon, logic and pre-established characterizations be damned.

That's what I was getting at. Dude basically writes the same shit. Every character in his works talks like Joss Whedon.

[matt0044]

Who actually give Minus the time of day?

[matt0044]

It's not DBD, but me, Lance, Qaaman and Blackenfist chop it up about filler in the series.

https://youtu.be/UfEk-GtDsuQ

Sorry if the audio is a tiny bit choppy.

Personally, I give the movies fights credit for being more fast and less boring that when the TV series drags its feet.

[Geekdom101]

It's not DBD, but me, Lance, Qaaman and Blackenfist chop it up about filler in the series.

https://youtu.be/UfEk-GtDsuQ

Sorry if the audio is a tiny bit choppy.

Personally, I give the movies fights credit for being more fast and less boring that when the TV series drags its feet.

I respect this.


Btw Lance and I got together and had this conversation about the Saiyans and Bardock: https://youtu.be/wKLtrQa2ER4

[Gaffer Tape]

And thanks, of course, for having me. It was a blast! And thanks for plugging it and Qaaman's vid!

[Gaffer Tape]

DBD: Dragon Ball Z (Return My Gohan!!)

Dragon Ball Dissection December continues with a look at the first Dragon Ball Z movie. And I gotta say, the thought of having to find content to fill videos for all 13 of these is rather frightening!

[Michsi]

Great review. I enjoyed it for the most part, though it's obvious it's not one of your favorite installments of the franchise (as you have also mentioned ) This is actually one of my , if not out right, favorite movies. The continuity issue never bothered me, but I liked how you explained how they focused around was poignant in the Dragon Ball manga at that point in time, which I always felt was overlooked as an explanation why certain movies did what they did.

But I so do agree with the part about the background, the castle, the tones they used to create that atmosphere. Admittedly, Beerus' castle-thing felt similar in the beginning, but nothing in the recent DB animations comes close to that level of care for the background.

[coola]

Comments as i watch:
- DBZ Movie 3 also was tied a little bit with anime series, as it explains where Haiya Dragon comes from, and GT also had Coola among villans returning from hell
- For continuity, i find them to be just what-ifs Only sequels, beside DB Movies trilogy, were 5-6 (Coola) and 8-10-11 (Broly trilogy), Plan to Eliminate Saiyans had some movie villains return- Yes, both of master and his minions are incompetent, you have to be real idiot, to lose with immortality (Twice, Gohan, Yamcha, you poor dolts are off hook)
- I really liked this Goku, whole movie he is like "I dont care what's going on, just give me back Gohan"

[dbzfan7]

DBD: Dragon Ball Z (Return My Gohan!!)

Dragon Ball Dissection December continues with a look at the first Dragon Ball Z movie. And I gotta say, the thought of having to find content to fill videos for all 13 of these is rather frightening!

I'm shocked there was no mention of Garlic Jr. using the one move that allows him to lose. If he never used the Dead Zone, then he couldn't possibly lose since he's immortal. I know it's a complaint everyone has said, but it's a pretty big flaw. Not quite as big as trying to kill Piccolo and then use the Dragon Balls, but I'd rate it the second dumbest thing.

[jcogginsa]

Actually he could totally lose since Kami (And possibly Piccolo) know the Mafuba.

Gotta wonder why Kami went for the suicide boom before the Mafuba though

[dbzfan7]

Actually he could totally lose since Kami (And possibly Piccolo) know the Mafuba.

Gotta wonder why Kami went for the suicide boom before the Mafuba though

That would have been a better ending honestly since it makes more sense than use the one move that is your only weakness.

[Gaffer Tape]

Comments as i watch:
- DBZ Movie 3 also was tied a little bit with anime series, as it explains where Haiya Dragon comes from, and GT also had Coola among villans returning from hell

Yes, but in the former case, even putting aside the fact that movie 3 is one of the most cannot possibly happen movies of the bunch (although that's a pretty compelling reason), Hire Dragon appearing doesn't imply the events of movie 3 did. But it is pretty head-scratching and one of the many stupid things the Garlic Jr. arc did. As for Coola, you are correct. But while his appearance is certainly more heavily implying at least movie 5 having happened, it's such a quick cameo (right? I've never actually seen it) it could be handwaved away any number of ways. Also, it's GT, and, while I should have been clearer, I was more talking about the DBZ anime. Anyway, that's why I specifically said "explicitly." As in, the TV series literally says (and literally shows clips from the movie) this movie happened.

I'm shocked there was no mention of Garlic Jr. using the one move that allows him to lose. If he never used the Dead Zone, then he couldn't possibly lose since he's immortal. I know it's a complaint everyone has said, but it's a pretty big flaw. Not quite as big as trying to kill Piccolo and then use the Dragon Balls, but I'd rate it the second dumbest thing.

Actually, I never thought of it as that stupid. A bit ill-conceived but not terribly so. Him doing the exact same thing AGAIN in the Garlic Jr. arc, though? That was stupid.

[dbzfan7]

I'm shocked there was no mention of Garlic Jr. using the one move that allows him to lose. If he never used the Dead Zone, then he couldn't possibly lose since he's immortal. I know it's a complaint everyone has said, but it's a pretty big flaw. Not quite as big as trying to kill Piccolo and then use the Dragon Balls, but I'd rate it the second dumbest thing.

Actually, I never thought of it as that stupid. A bit ill-conceived but not terribly so. Him doing the exact same thing AGAIN in the Garlic Jr. arc, though? That was stupid.

Huh never thought I'd see the day someone didn't think it was terribly stupid. Interesting. I still think it is since the Dead Zone is literally the only thing that could stop him. If he didn't use it, then he'd sooner or later overwhelm everyone. I do like the suggestion that the Mafuba would have been a better finish since it's a way to win, without making the villain look like a moron. Then again he kinda already does look like a moron by trying to get Piccolo killed, so perhaps him being a total moron makes sense.