"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Noah]

Also about Mr. Satan, well... He's intended to be a joke character, not like Yamcha and Krillin that are/were serious fighters which are marked in the series by their constant deaths and defeats.

Goku, Vegeta, and almost all the other characters are constantly defeated too. True, they go on to have a victory in the end more often than other characters get to sadly, but if we're going to count losing a fight against a character's coolness factor, than Goku and Vegeta should be pretty low on that listing by now too. As should Piccolo, given that he's lost to Goku (twice if you want to count Daimao), Raditz, Nappa, Freeza, Android 17 (talking about before the Kami powerup), Cell, and Super Boo.

If winning a fight is all it takes to make a character cool or engaging, then nobody in the series is that 100% of the time.

I think you missed my point either that or I didn't say clearly. Goku and Vegeta had their defeats for plot development purposes, we can't have a series where the main characters always win. What I meant to say about Yamcha and Krillin is not only about their losses but in fact the way that they lose. Their portrayal (specifically in the anime and specifically Yamcha) that they're worthless in the series now, just serving for gags and comedy reliefs.

He'll fail of course cause LOLGOHAN and probably curse himself for not being able to do anything to avenge Piccolo. Then he'll immediately forget about that once all is said and done to go back to his job doing..........er.......some dumb thing apparently because it's not important enough for us to know what that is.

I would pretty much enjoy if we actually see Gohan character development after his former mentor death. He could start thinking about how useless he was and that he can't rely on his father power forever, maybe then starting to train again and back to his prime. It's not like Gohan is a fight hunger like full-blooded Saiyans, but is that he must be aware that he is one of those in charge to protect his family and the whole planet.


Oh I can dream of something like that actually happening in this series

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Are you kidding? Super has only made Goku MORE in character and MORE in line with what Toriyama believes it to be. Goku here is more selfish about getting stronger than ever before.

In Super, while Goku is still dissatisfied that he became stronger with the help of others, he is also excited with the kind of power he obtained. In BoG, he disliked the power of SSG, until he managed to absorb its power. Toriyama also said that Goku doesn't like the power of SSG because he doesn't think it's fair to become stronger with the help of others. And don't forget that whatever his involvement with Super BoG & FnF arcs is (assuming there is any), he isn't more involved with them than he was with the movies, where he personally wrote their entire scripts.

As for Kuririn, this is definitely Toei's Kuririn, since he keeps getting treated like trash. In BoG, he is treated as a joke like in the movies (when he eats that spicy food with his usual "why is it always me?!" catchphrase from the anime), he is scared to fight Beerus and finds silly excuses in order not to fight, and he is scared of fighting Freeza's weak soldiers, even though he is was the 3rd strongest of the Z-Warriors.

That was the shittiest moment in the franchise IMO. At first, I got excited with the idea that Kuririn is scared of Freeza, since he killed him. But it turns out he is actually scared of the soldiers... And everyone acts as if he is in danger, and he needs encouragement from Kame-sennin, who tells him that their movements appear slow because Kuririn has seen the fights with Cell, Boo, and Beerus. No, that's not the reason they appear to be slow, it's because Kuririn is too strong for them! They are treating the strongest Earthling as if this is Saiyan arc Gohan, which is really disappointing.

And as for the scene you mentioned in FnF, where Kuririn hits a tree and gets saved by Gohan, that's Toei's work too. That scene isn't in Toriyama's script.

The movies are also written, according to Toriyama, as if the manga was still in serialization. Super BoG/FnF are written as continuations of the anime, which is why Gregory, Mr. Satan's crew, and Frog Ginyu from the anime appear in Super. The Champa arc from the Super manga fits fine with the original manga & the movies so far, so we'll see how the Champa arc of the anime fits as well, but the Super BoG & FnF arcs don't fit with the manga.

They-uh... they do. Mr. Satan's crew are nods to the characters, but they're not even outright named, and nothing about them directly references the time they tried to fight Cell. Ginyu as a frog was in the manga too, nothing contradictory there. And what he showed in flashbacks is also not contradicted by the manga, but DOES run contradictory to the anime's depiction of what happened to him afterward.. Anime had him becoming some sort of Frog King. Also you're kinda taking the term "observed" as being literally the word "seen', and that's not the case. It's saying he's gained experience from fighting alongside and against all of them at one point. It's also playing into an ongoing character arc wherein Krillin's self-confidence has taken a massive hit. I mean really, when you're minimally impactful in a fight, when you're so much stronger than normal but the next guy up is leagues above you, your own wife is, your best friend who you trained alongside achieved god-tier power and a single punch almost hospitalized you... yeah, you begin to very much doubt your own ability. ...and frankly, Gregory is nitpicking. Toriyama actually liked Gregory a lot when he first saw him, and all this would mean is he decided to actually introduce the character into his series. So far I'm not seeing anything super canon-breaking about it either.

Also, where the hell are you getting Super being as a continuation of the anime over the manga? He said that the series was a complete continuation of the Majin Buu saga. Complete. As in total. As in "not a spinoff".

Since we have a thread for this now, I'll take my reply there.

[Sodhi]

So this is the actual ending theme of db super from light crimson right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-6Pas-Tj0E

[SSGSS Goku]

Nope. A lot of Japanese youtubers tend to upload videos that say the song in them, but just use some royalty free song and talk about the news of the song

[Hellspawn28]

They're not going to permanently kill off Piccolo. Even if we didn't know about the tournament, it's exactly the same thing that GT did. And one thing Super is trying to do is distance itself from GT.

And Piccolo has barely done anything this entire series. Killing him off now wouldn't be the best send-off to his character.

If they kill off Piccolo for good in Super then a lot of fans will be mad. I remember a lot of fans got mad that GT killed off Piccolo since they didn't like how he died by having him die when the Earth blow up from the Black Star Dragon Balls. The Super manga mention him joining the U7 team against U6. They would be lying to a lot of fans hoping that he would have a bigger role in Super if they have him die. Not to mention, we saw him at the end of DBZ. So we know he will be back sooner or later.

[FortuneSSJ]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interes ... pot/.96352

Oh, there's some awesome stuff in this lottery! Majin Buu's Head as Candy Pot was a great idea.

[LuckyCat]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interes ... pot/.96352

Oh, there's some awesome stuff in this lottery! Majin Buu's Head as Candy Pot was a great idea.

Is that supposed to be the shell of Cell's larva form in the background of Gohan's shot glass? Very nice prizes all around!

[Araki]

Nope. A lot of Japanese youtubers tend to upload videos that say the song in them, but just use some royalty free song and talk about the news of the song

This. that's not the song, these new song announcements always use random music.

[alakazam^]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interes ... pot/.96352

Oh, there's some awesome stuff in this lottery! Majin Buu's Head as Candy Pot was a great idea.

Wow, those prizes are awesome!

[SaiyanZ]

Sounds like I'll like the new ED more than the current one but not the 1st

[Beerus-sama]

So this is the actual ending theme of db super from light crimson right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-6Pas-Tj0E

No, thats just a random music they put to announce the new ending, its not the actual music.
Also, if you click in the first link in the description is another announcement with the same music playing

[WhisPL]

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/COCA-17099

[SilverPlaqueVII]

While waiting for the Episode 23 thread, Vegeta had finally killed off Ginyu.

[Sandubadear]

In the BD/DVD, is Yanami still Kaio in the first episodes or his lines were remade by that other guy?

[Ajay]

In the BD/DVD, is Yanami still Kaio in the first episodes or his lines were remade by that other guy?

Still Yanami.

[Hellspawn28]

If Yamcha did join the fight against Freeza in Super then do you think Toei would have Yamcha and Tien do the fusion dance against Freeza's army?

[Araki]

In the BD/DVD, is Yanami still Kaio in the first episodes or his lines were remade by that other guy?

It would be seriously disrespectful to redub Yanami. Fortunately that's not how they operate.
Seriously, Japanese fans would rage.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

If Yamcha did join the fight against Freeza in Super then do you think Toei would have Yamcha and Tenshinhan do the fusion dance against Freeza's army?

It took us forever to get Gotenks to join the fight. I don't think we'd see Tiencha any time soon.

[Ssgvegito30]

If Yamcha did join the fight against Freeza in Super then do you think Toei would have Yamcha and Tenshinhan do the fusion dance against Freeza's army?

It took us forever to get Gotenks to join the fight. I don't think we'd see Tiencha any time soon.

Am I missing something is it officially stated anywhere that tiencha be really a thing or is it made up fan service??

[Shounen]

Tenshinhan and Yamcha never learned fusion dance, so no.