Well, when you talk about DBGT that's one that comes to mind:successoroffate wrote:I think there's a thread going on about this already but I don't mind. I think where we can really see the connection between them is in DBGT. It has very straight forward references to Star Wars.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:I mean, you're pretty open about looking at cartoon porn. Why would you do that? It's fiction. The proportions of these women are not possible to reach in reality.JacobYBM wrote:No, why would it? It's fiction. The strength of the characters is not possible to reach in reality.Original Thread Topic wrote:Did Dragon Ball ever motivate you to exercise?
Don't know if I understand the reference, but if it makes Funimation look bad, then yes I agree.clutchins wrote:Don't forget that Funimation is Lucasfilm.
She/her (I have a Twitter account now.)Cipher wrote:Dragon Ball is the story of a kind-hearted, excitable child who uses the power of friendship to improve those around him as he grows into a dangerous obsessive who sometimes accidentally saves the world.
Given that the Force is based on the east-asian concept of Chi/Ki/Qigong, I'd say sure why not. Also one could say Muten Roshi's lightning attack corresponds well with Force Lightning.Noah wrote:- Could be the Force be sort of a variation of Ki? Could a Ki trained person display the same abilities as a Force-sensitive individual?
Yup. It's hard to grasp how shitty the prequels are.DoomieDoomie911 wrote:I don't think it's really fair to compare GT to the prequels. GT isn't nearly as bad.
Lucasfilm won't release the original unaltered trilogy on Blu-ray, Funimation won't release the (complete) original aspect ratio DBZ on Blu-ray.successoroffate wrote:Don't know if I understand the reference, but if it makes Funimation look bad, then yes I agree.clutchins wrote:Don't forget that Funimation is Lucasfilm.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:I mean, you're pretty open about looking at cartoon porn. Why would you do that? It's fiction. The proportions of these women are not possible to reach in reality.JacobYBM wrote:No, why would it? It's fiction. The strength of the characters is not possible to reach in reality.Original Thread Topic wrote:Did Dragon Ball ever motivate you to exercise?
He said the reason, he said he didn't think it would work cause Gohan's character to him didn't fit the hero type that Goku was.NitroEX wrote:In DB's case it's pretty evident that Toriyama intended for Gohan to play a bigger role in the ending of the manga but it didn't play out that way for whatever reason.
No because Gt isn't taken into account by Toriyama when he adds new stories to the main one unlike the prequels which are still part of the main Star Wars story.Noah wrote: Are the Prequels what DBGT is to us in the franchise?
It wasn't Lucas who wanted a bittersweet ending. It was Kurtz, the producer on the first 2 films, who due to that creative difference with Lucas departed during the production of RotJ. As you say Lucas made it a happy ending, due to the merchandise angle.NitroEX wrote:In Lucas' case he allegedly planned for a "bittersweet and poignant" ending to ROTJ with characters like Han Solo being killed off. These plans were scrapped in favour of a cheerful ending due to the influence of the Star Wars toy sales.
Probably he felt, he couldn't end the manga with Gohan as hero or whatever and just went for an ending, that had the main character as the hero, so he could show the early characters like Upa and co. contributing to the Genki Dama, which couldn't have happened with Gohan as he has never encountered those guys before.In DB's case it's pretty evident that Toriyama intended for Gohan to play a bigger role in the ending of the manga but it didn't play out that way for whatever reason.
And the only unaltered version available is on expensive, out-of-print DVDs?clutchins wrote:Lucasfilm won't release the original unaltered trilogy on Blu-ray, Funimation won't release the (complete) original aspect ratio DBZ on Blu-ray.successoroffate wrote:Don't know if I understand the reference, but if it makes Funimation look bad, then yes I agree.clutchins wrote:Don't forget that Funimation is Lucasfilm.
Did GT spawn 6-hour epic Mr. Plinkett reviews? No. Therefore by definition it's not as badmiguelnuva1 wrote:The prequels are 10x better than Gt.
There are some parallels, but you're going overboard with it. Even with characterization issues Toriayam's having now espeically with older characters, and giving to much focus on Goku/Vegeta, he's in WAY better shape than Lucas was when he returned to SW. Toriyama at least still can make some cool designs and add great new stuff to the lore. In general, Super feels much more like true Dragon Ball sequel than GT ever did. SW Prequels are terrible movies first and formost. Lucas seems to have lost the ability to write the simpliest dialogues naturally or direct anything well. The sequels are so void of any life, emotion, even on the most basic level it's a slog to get through them. Bad ideas, bad execution, etc etc. WIth all its flaws Super/new movies are miles better than the prequelsNitroEX wrote:Akira Toriyama is basically the anime/manga equivalent of George Lucas at this point.
Both of them seem to insist on making pointless additions to their franchise long after the fact, most of which only end up doing more harm than good. It's also worth noting that both of them intended (or seemed to, in Toriyama's case) for a very different approach to their story conclusions. In Lucas' case he allegedly planned for a "bittersweet and poignant" ending to ROTJ with characters like Han Solo being killed off. These plans were scrapped in favour of a cheerful ending due to the influence of the Star Wars toy sales. In DB's case it's pretty evident that Toriyama intended for Gohan to play a bigger role in the ending of the manga but it didn't play out that way for whatever reason.
You're right, Kurtz was the one in favour of that original idea but I haven't read anything to suggest that George didn't help conceive it. All I read is that they planned the final movie together and once George decided to change the original plan they parted ways.dbgtFO wrote: It wasn't Lucas who wanted a bittersweet ending. It was Kurtz, the producer on the first 2 films, who due to that creative difference with Lucas departed during the production of RotJ. As you say Lucas made it a happy ending, due to the merchandise angle.
The problem here is you're trying to essentially crowbar Gohan into an ending that was crafted with Goku in mind. Obviously if Toriyama had chosen to go with Gohan instead he wouldn't have planned it exactly the same way, all the details like the Spirit Bomb would be changed. Also it's entirely possible that Goku still would have had a role in this hypothetical ending, I doubt Toriyama would omit him completely from anything DB related.Probably he felt, he couldn't end the manga with Gohan as hero or whatever and just went for an ending, that had the main character as the hero, so he could show the early characters like Upa and co. contributing to the Genki Dama, which couldn't have happened with Gohan as he has never encountered those guys before.
There's plenty of cool designs and "great new stuff" that was added throughout the prequels too. I don't like the direction and the storytelling in them but there's no denying there's some great ideas in there. Similarly Toriyama added some cool concepts to the new DB movies but a lot of them aren't that well executed imo.Basaku wrote: Toriyama at least still can make some cool designs and add great new stuff to the lore.
I suppose but it's not as if George was fully responsible for crafting the original trilogy by himself. People often praise Irvin Kershner for Empire as being the best directed of the original trilogy and I'd have to agree with that. I'm sure George had a major role to play in all things Star Wars but he seemed to have far more creative freedom on the prequels (all directed by him) than the OT. Of course, I can't know for sure but It also seems as though nobody was around to keep his bad ideas in check whilst writing the prequels. This seems kind of similar with how Toriyama was reigned in by his editors during the manga's original run, a lot of his original ideas were questionable and it was only through criticism that we got awesome things from the story.In general, Super feels much more like true Dragon Ball sequel than GT ever did. SW Prequels are terrible movies first and formost. Lucas seems to have lost the ability to write the simpliest dialogues naturally or direct anything well. The sequels are so void of any life, emotion, even on the most basic level it's a slog to get through them. Bad ideas, bad execution, etc etc. WIth all its flaws Super/new movies are miles better than the prequels
Like what? Nonsense lazy prophecy plot device? Boring trade taxes? Jedi can't have sex because nonsense reasons? There's lots of great designs but that's not Lucas' contribution but the artists. And tons of "new" lore was lifted straight from Expanded Universe. His part of the 'job' - the script and direction - was executed incredibly bad.NitroEX wrote: There's plenty of cool designs and "great new stuff" that was added throughout the prequels too. I don't like the direction and the storytelling in them but there's no denying there's some great ideas in there.
But he could at least write and direct competent action-adventure movie (Episode 4). Not to mention his previous films that displayed good filmaking talent. It's like it evaporated completly somewhere between 80s and 90sNitroEX wrote:I suppose but it's not as if George was fully responsible for crafting the original trilogy by himself.
I dont disagree that Toriyama doesn't seem to be challenged/questioned about any of his creative choices nowadays, it definitely shows. But he didn't lose his talent competly as it happened to Lucas. Even if it's just for world-building and lore expansion in Super/movies, he did way better job than Lucas did in prequels.NitroEX wrote:This seems kind of similar with how Toriyama was reigned in by his editors during the manga's original run, a lot of his original ideas were questionable and it was only through criticism that we got awesome things from the story.
As far as Super and the new movies are concerned... I don't see them as a particularly good stories if I'm being honest. I'm not sure how I'd rank them next to GT (especially since Super is still incomplete) but I have no love for either when it comes to story.
Unlike Gt at leas the prequels are canon and spawnee coutless spin off material. Also don't confuse a bad story with bad directing.Basaku wrote:Did GT spawn 6-hour epic Mr. Plinkett reviews? No. Therefore by definition it's not as badmiguelnuva1 wrote:The prequels are 10x better than Gt.
