Daizenshuu LSSJ?

[Lavender Saiyan]

I was just listening to Podcast 57 & EX mentioned that the Daizenshuu has LSSJ ABOVE SSJ2. Did he mean that the Daiz says LSSJ is stronger than SSJ2. Or rather on the chart the lower you go down the higher the level is, thus SSJ2 is stronger?

[Duo]

I was just listening to Podcast 57 & EX mentioned that the Daizenshuu has LSSJ ABOVE SSJ2. Did he mean that the Daiz says LSSJ is stronger than SSJ2. Or rather on the chart the lower you go down the higher the level is, thus SSJ2 is stronger?

Well, it is highly doubtful they meant it to be stronger, since Broli never fights any sort of Level 2 Super Saiyan anyway.

*feels Movie 10 Gohan debate coming from the dark*

[Lavender Saiyan]

LOL, well we know Lightning means SSJ2. Movie 10 Gohan failed to have that.

[VegettoEX]

I was just listening to Podcast 57 & EX mentioned that the Daizenshuu has LSSJ ABOVE SSJ2. Did he mean that the Daiz says LSSJ is stronger than SSJ2. Or rather on the chart the lower you go down the higher the level is, thus SSJ2 is stronger?

Higher... uhh... geographically, I guess you could say. It moves its way down.

[Duo]

LOL, well we know Lightning means SSJ2. Movie 10 Gohan failed to have that.

Not too mention he only transformed once (before that no one had ever jumped straight to Ssj2, and it was still an incredibly rare thing), plus that age of Gohan had never been seen use Level 2 in the series when it was made.

Yeah...why do all these debatable things keep coming up? I need to lay off, really.

[Lavender Saiyan]

I was just listening to Podcast 57 & EX mentioned that the Daizenshuu has LSSJ ABOVE SSJ2. Did he mean that the Daiz says LSSJ is stronger than SSJ2. Or rather on the chart the lower you go down the higher the level is, thus SSJ2 is stronger?

Higher... uhh... geographically, I guess you could say. It moves its way down.

Thanks

[Casual Matt]

*feels Movie 10 Gohan debate coming from the dark*

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I don't really feel like debating, but I think Gohan was a SSj2 there.

[Duo]

*feels Movie 10 Gohan debate coming from the dark*

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I don't really feel like debating, but I think Gohan was a SSj2 there.

I will totally do the unnatural thing and just PM you on this. It's good to see VegettoEX cleared it up though.

[Sun_Wukong]

Legendary is the form Trunks and Vegeta reach in the ROST right? The big bulky form that looks like Brolly's?

[Mr.Piccolo]

Legendary is the form Trunks and Vegeta reach in the ROST right? The big bulky form that looks like Brolly's?

I think that form is called the Ascended Super Saiyan. I guess you can say there are two parts of this form the one Vegeta used and the one Trunks used. I see the Legendary form as Broli's and Broli's only. He doesn't lose too much speed but he as a lot of power and can take hits. Is the LSSj stronger than a SSj2? Never in a million years.

Look at SSj2 Gohan from the Cell games and look at Broli in Movie 8 (most likely his strongest). I don't want to bring movie 10 into this because Gohan's form in that movie is confusing enough but see it from this point of view: The heroes from movie 8 are probably around the same strength as they were in the Cell Games and they were able to defeat Cell. Do you think they could do the same against someone with SSj2 Gohan's strength?
-Rick

[Casual Matt]

Legendary is the form Trunks and Vegeta reach in the ROST right? The big bulky form that looks like Brolly's?

When Vegeta fought second form Cell, the state he was in was called Suupaa Saiya-jin Dai Ni Dankai, or the second stage of Super Saiyan.

Compared to SSj and SSj2, think of it as Super Saiyan 1-2.

Similarly, Trunks, while fighting perfect Cell was Suupaa Saiya-jin Dai San Dankai, the third stage of Super Saiyan 1.

So we basically have...

Super Saiyan 1
Super Saiyan 1 - Stage 2
Super Saiyan 1 - Stage 3
Super Saiyan 2

SSj1 Stage 2 and 3 were basically failed attempts at SSj2, too. They powered up quite a bit but didn't quite "overcome the Super Saiyan wall" if you know what I'm saying.

And to go back and answer your question, these stages are distinctly different from Broli's Densetsu no Suupaa Saiya-jin or "Legenday Super Saiyan" form. For one thing, the second and third stages of SSj1 slow you down with mass, while Broli's speed was clearly not affected by his size (video games aside). Also, Broli's Ki in that form was clearly different than any regular stage of Super Saiyan, for it had a very green tint to it instead of the usual pure gold.

So while the Legendary form may be similar to the upper stages of SSj1 in muscle mass, there are definite differences, and whether ot not you agree that Broli was the Saiyan prophecised in the legend or if he was some kind of mutant or whatever, it's fairly likely that his transformation is outside the regular scale of SSj1-2-3, and is something else entirely.

[Duo]

I never saw Broli has "not losing speed" so much as that he was so far ahead of his opponents that, even slowed down, he was able to keep up and outpace them. It didn't help that they basically came to him, either.

[BROLEROT]

If the Z fighters that were fighting Brolly in Movie 8 were about the same level as during the cell games,then wouldn't this suggest that the LSSj is on power with SS2 .Goku by himself was able to hold his own with cell (granted cell wasn't using his full power) and his kamehameha was able to blow cells top half off.The Z fighters that fought Brolly couldn't hurt him at all (SSj Gohan included who did even better than Goku against cell ).Goku even fired a kamehameha at point blank range at brolly and it didn't phase him at all (cell lost his top half when this happened).This would suggest Brolly was more powerful than Cell ,enough to put him at a level that would compete with SS2 I am not sure .