Gogeta VS Vegito (read the OP)

[Helios518]

I'll take the filler that was not cutted out in DB Kai as ''canon'' to the manga since no filler in Kai condradicts the manga so even SSJ3 Gogeta < Base Vegetto.

In the manga, Vegetto went super immediately implying to go through with his plan he had to go super. In the anime, he does it only to show off and was fully capable of doing his plan in base form. If you ask me that's a contradiction.

[Kamiccolo9]

I'll take the filler that was not cutted out in DB Kai as ''canon'' to the manga since no filler in Kai condradicts the manga so even SSJ3 Gogeta < Base Vegetto.

In the manga, Vegetto went super immediately implying to go through with his plan he had to go super. In the anime, he does it only to show off and was fully capable of doing his plan in base form. If you ask me that's a contradiction.

Vegetto later says that he underestimated how powerful he was, and didn't even know his own strength.

You also have the old Kaioshin telling Goku he wouldn't need Super Saiyan when fusing with Gohan, because Fusion was just that powerful. Combine that with the later quote that Goku fusing with Vegeta is "the best" because of their rivalry, and it's perfectly valid to extrapolate Vegetto not requiring Super Saiyan to beat Buu, either.

[Helios518]

You also have the old Kaioshin telling Goku he wouldn't need Super Saiyan when fusing with Gohan, because Fusion was just that powerful.

Old Kaioshin was talking about Buutenks and this was Ultimate Gohan and the gap between Ultimate Gohan and Buutenk is less than 2x, so it's highly likely Gokhan would keep his ultimate form and would tear apart even Buuhan without SSJ.

Combine that with the later quote that Goku fusing with Vegeta is "the best" because of their rivalry,

best overall but not in base

Vegetto later says that he underestimated how powerful he was, and didn't even know his own strength.

Buuhan could've only been only 2x Base Vegetto so Vegetto would've still need SSJ to beat him but not his all of his power as a SSJ

For instance.

Base Vegetto - 1
Buuhan - 2
Ultimate Gokhan - 4
Vegetto - 50

[Kamiccolo9]

"Could have been." That's the point. The manga isn't clear one way or another.

Vegetto's goal wasn't to beat Buu, it was to drive him to desperately absorb him, so that he could free the others. It's possible for Base Vegetto to still be stronger than Buu, but not enough so to completely overwhelm Buu like he needed.

[Helios518]

"Could have been." That's the point. The manga isn't clear one way or another.

Vegetto's goal wasn't to beat Buu, it was to drive him to desperately absorb him, so that he could free the others. It's possible for Base Vegetto to still be stronger than Buu, but not enough so to completely overwhelm Buu like he needed.

Yes Vegetto could be stronger than Buu but not be able to curbstomp like he did in the anime.

[Kamiccolo9]

"Could have been." That's the point. The manga isn't clear one way or another.

Vegetto's goal wasn't to beat Buu, it was to drive him to desperately absorb him, so that he could free the others. It's possible for Base Vegetto to still be stronger than Buu, but not enough so to completely overwhelm Buu like he needed.

Yes Vegetto could be stronger than Buu but not be able to curbstomp like he did in the anime.

Base Vegetto had some trouble with Buu towards the end of that fight, if I recall correctly, but regardless, the manga isn't definitive either way.

[dbgtFO]

Base Vegetto had some trouble with Buu towards the end of that fight, if I recall correctly, but regardless, the manga isn't definitive either way.

Vegetto didnt really have any trouble, but he transforms, because Buu tells him, that he still hadn't surpassed Buu, despite the obvious evidence to the contrary.

[Helios518]

"Could have been." That's the point. The manga isn't clear one way or another.

Vegetto's goal wasn't to beat Buu, it was to drive him to desperately absorb him, so that he could free the others. It's possible for Base Vegetto to still be stronger than Buu, but not enough so to completely overwhelm Buu like he needed.

Yes Vegetto could be stronger than Buu but not be able to curbstomp like he did in the anime.

Base Vegetto had some trouble with Buu towards the end of that fight, if I recall correctly, but regardless, the manga isn't definitive either way.

The end of the fight also had Vegetto casually throwing one of Buu's stronger attacks. If Vegetto was at the range of Buuhan where he wouldn't curbstomp him than he wouldn't have done it as easily because a person's attack is stronger than himself.

[Tectorman]

"Could have been." That's the point. The manga isn't clear one way or another.

Vegetto's goal wasn't to beat Buu, it was to drive him to desperately absorb him, so that he could free the others. It's possible for Base Vegetto to still be stronger than Buu, but not enough so to completely overwhelm Buu like he needed.

That's how I take it.

Vegetto in Base was marginally stronger than Buuhan, and could have prevailed in a conventional fight. But the plan was to get inside Buu and rescue the boys and Piccolo. To do that, he needed to back Buu into a corner until his only remaining option was to try absorbing Vegetto. Vegetto as a SSJ can utterly dominate Buuhan, but not necessarily in Base. In Base, things like Buu turning to liquid and pouring himself inside Vegetto, or releasing so much power that he collapses dimensions, or turning Vegetto into candy might have been more than Vegetto could have handled. That's why Vegetto needed SSJ. He needed to be an invincible brick wall for Buu to pound his head against and make zero progress in order to force Buu's hand. Something he could accomplish with SSJ while his Base power would only have been sufficient to win under conventional circumstances.

So as far as I'm concerned, the difference between the manga and the anime is in Vegetto's prudence. In the anime, he tests himself out in Base before going to the "No-Sell" strategy while in the manga, he figures he'll need to "No-Sell" Buuhan's every strategy from the getgo.