DragonBall Z Abridged

[Doctor.]

Freeza in F is not a good villain, he's just as bad as a generic Toei villain.

[KaiserNeko]

Freeza in F is not a good villain, he's just as bad as a generic Toei villain.

Actually, I'm going to give this one. Freeza's character suffers a lot in the movie, but largely from the fact that he serves no place being brought back into the current roster. Not without a legitimately substantial power up and more time to be worked back into things. Here, he's thrown into the mix with a now flawed powerup that makes him only exist to serve as a vehicle for Goku and Vegeta's character growth. It's frustrating.

That being said, though? I still find him and his plot more interesting than, say, the two Broly sequels, Cooler's entire deal (sorry, he's a boring filler relative with little to no actual character), Turles (A.K.A. Evil Goku, but not), Lord Slug (King Piccolo in Space), Android 13, 14, and 15... you get my point.

[ekrolo2]

I wouldn't even call Freeza a good vehicle for development since Goku makes a big deal out of not wanting to mess around and working with Vegeta to end fights quickly then the two of them laugh off cooperation as an impossibility (which its not) and immediately forget what just happened. No amount of humor or overrated Jaco is gonna make this any less of an awful story for me.

[KaiserNeko]

I wouldn't even call Freeza a good vehicle for development since Goku makes a big deal out of not wanting to mess around and working with Vegeta to end fights quickly then the two of them laugh off cooperation as an impossibility (which its not) and immediately forget what just happened. No amount of humor or overrated Jaco is gonna make this any less of an awful story for me.

Eh, I'd continue this conversation, but I think that'd be going even FURTHER OFF TOPIC than this thread has already gotten.

[MarCas92]

Kaiser be like

Spoiler:

[batistabus]

Big flaws.

1. the last half is utterly devoid of tension due to the inclusion of Beerus and Whis
2. the CG is absolutely terrible
3. Super Saiyan Blue is pointless
4. Gohan's power degradation is really questionable
5. and there's an argument about Goku being hit by Sorbet

I feel like most of these flaws aren't even that major.

1. More Whis than Beerus. Beerus flat-out states that he won't get involved (which is a cool moment for him), but the fact that they introduced Whis' ability at the beginning on the film while he practically winked at the audience...
2. I completely agree that it was jarringly horrible for Goku vs Freeza, but I understand it was necessary for animating 1,000 soldiers.
3. Eh, I suppose. What I like about this transformation is the fact that it is such a minor inclusion. They are channeling God ki into their Super Saiyan transformation, so while it remains mostly the same, there is a change in aura (and thus, the color). They don't play it up to be this major thing; they just show up having already mastered it and it's like "oh yeah, this is how it works now, I guess".
4. I agree with this mostly, but I don't know. When comparing his strength between when Beerus first showed up and this movie, it looks really drastic considering the amount of time that has passed. Still, if he hasn't trained at all since the Buu arc, it does make some sense that his power degradation would become even more drastic over time.
5. I buy it.

Personally, I think the biggest flaw with RoF is that Goten and Trunks never showed up simply because they were told not to. This is definitely a nitpick, but I really dislike the fact that Beerus approved the destruction of Planet Vegeta.

Also, I think it's important to note how tight the pacing of this movie was. There was hardly a wasted moment and it does a great job of keeping your attention unlike many of the other films.

[Gaffer Tape]

Sorry Gaffer, but Resurrection 'F' is just... one of the better movies to me. Or at the very least, far more entertaining.

No need to apologize. But for some reason, I thought I remembered you saying some quite unpleasant things about it recently, so I did kind of expect it be low on your list.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I got a laugh out of the ending there. It's okay Kaiser, we all have our more bizarre fan crushes. Actually kinda surprised I've not seen a lot of fan art of the other members of the gang or Bojack himself even. I mean, there's tons of fan art of Zangya, for...obvious...reasons...but you'd think there'd be more 'cheesecake' art of Bojack and boys too. They're buff enough, surely they've got more fanboys/fangirls out there somewhere.

Also, can't recall if I commented on it already so forgive me if so, but I'm kinda surprised myself that movie 13 wasn't higher up there. To me, it's the one that's always felt the most like an actual movie (even if it's no longer than most of them). Sure, there's the weird thing with 'this is totally Future Trunks' sword, see!' that doesn't make a bit of sense, but I always try to ignore that (the bulk of the hint is in the end credits anyway). It's the only movie to give us a new hero as well as new villains; the main villain himself, despite admittedly being kind of dry by token of being literally a mindless monster, is one of the most unique designs and concepts for a fight we've had in the films; and for it's limited run time, it utilizes it's characters well (outside of Kuririn popping in for a gag and then never appearing again - seriously, what was that even?). It's very likely one that'd be farther up on a list of my own.

Just my two cents though of course, you guys' list, you guys' choices.

[TonyTheTiger]

Freeza in F is not a good villain, he's just as bad as a generic Toei villain.

Actually, I'm going to give this one. Freeza's character suffers a lot in the movie, but largely from the fact that he serves no place being brought back into the current roster. Not without a legitimately substantial power up and more time to be worked back into things. Here, he's thrown into the mix with a now flawed powerup that makes him only exist to serve as a vehicle for Goku and Vegeta's character growth. It's frustrating.

I'm fine with Freeza's return, however they justify it, for the same reason I'm fine with the Joker always surviving--he's just too good a villain to let go to waste even if you have to deus ex machina your way there. There's just so much to work with that not revisiting him would be criminal. His "I was serenaded by teddy bears!" rant is probably the funniest piece of dialogue in the entire series.

Personally, and a lot of people might hate the idea, but I'd be fine with Dragon Ball bringing him back again, even permanently, and even reintegrating more of the old villains and have them maintain a consistent presence in the story much like is being done with Pilaf. New opponents are great and all (Beerus is excellent, for example) but given the nature of the way the story is being told now, apparently permanently fixed in the time skip at the end of Z, an actual rogue gallery to periodically draw from would be useful given the difficulty to work in further power ups at this point in the saga as the weirdness of Super Saiyan Blue demonstrates. I suppose turning Freeza into Skeletor would be a strange move but I don't think anyone would complain if we got some more of him.

[Kid Buu]

Freeza in F is not a good villain, he's just as bad as a generic Toei villain.

I don't even like him that much outside of the film. He's voiced by some talented actors, but to me he just comes across as a poor imitation of Saiyan Saga Vegeta with a lack of a proper backstory and comes with far too many instant power-ups.

[Lord Beerus]

Freeza in F is not a good villain, he's just as bad as a generic Toei villain.

I don't even like him that much outside of the film. He's voiced by some talented actors, but to me he just comes across as a poor imitation of Saiyan Saga Vegeta with a lack of a proper backstory and comes with far too many instant power-ups.

To be fair Vegeta doesn't have much of backstory himself. All we know if that he was once a prince of a race and then severed under Freeza for many years. That's pretty much it.

[coola]

It's really fascinating, tahat there are so many differnet opinions on each movie, wouldn't be surprised if as many as users here Some people love Movie 13, i find it boring, but i love Path to Power. No matter how good new movie/material is, it is actually impossible, to meet everyone expectations, guess that's what great about opinions

[Hellspawn28]

People seem to hate on ROF because stupid stuff like Roshi able to put up a fight against Freeza's soldiers and Freeza becoming stronger in 4 months of training. I really enjoy ROF despite having a weak story. The movie has a better comeback for Freeza then his return in Fusion Reborn and GT in my opinion.

[TonyTheTiger]

I like Roshi putting up said fight--the annoyance comes from the arbitrariness of it. Ok, so Roshi can fight, wonderful. So what about Yamcha and Chiaotzu? It's like Dragon Ball is struggling with its identity lately. It's trying to expand its horizons but falls into the same shonen traps as before.

[jcogginsa]

updated ranking

10. The Path to Power
9. Wrath of the Dragon
8. Bojack Unbound
7. Resurrection 'F'
6. Dead Zone
5. Fusion Reborn
4. Bardock Father of Goku
3. The World's Strongest
2. History of Trunks
1. Battle of Gods

[FoolsGil]

Well there you have it. RoF at #7. The positives are overwhelming enough to get as far as it did, and I'm not surprised in the least.

[RealtreeByGod]

RoF too low.

Everyone grab a pitchfork and torch and meet me in Dallas! We're lynching Kaiser!

[Doctor.]

RoF is too damn high!

Curious if The World's Strongest is gonna reach the top 3.

[jcogginsa]

RoF is too damn high!

Curious if The World's Strongest is gonna reach the top 3.

Yeah, it should be in the top 5

[Lord Beerus]

I'm glad ROF made it into the top 10. For a "pointless" movie, it was a lot of damn fun.