Would you have preferred annual movies to Super?

precita · Post by **precita** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:48 am

Since Super has been disappointing due to the lackluster animation and rehashing the movie plots, would you have preferred no new series at all and instead just annual movies? For example in 2016 we would have gotten a movie to cover the U6 tournament, and then in 2017 another movie to come whatever comes after that.

When the Beerus movie first came out nobody thought we would get a new series and people speculated about there being new movies (which we were right about), but then Super came out of nowhere and was rushed and repetitive. Instead we could have simply gotten a new movie every year rather than a lackluster series.

I think they should have stuck with the movie approach. They made more money in the box office then a weekly series they have to spend production costs on just to sell the same merchandize they were selling anyway.

WittyUsername · Post by **WittyUsername** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:19 am

Super has been something of a mixed bag for me thus far. I wasn't a fan of the way they adapted Battle of Gods, although they do seem to be making some mild improvements over Ressurection F(ignoring the pointless return of Ginyu and rehashing Piccolo's death from the Saiyan saga).

I'm not sure if I would have wanted them to release new films annually like with Pokemon, but I possibly would have preferred a third film and maybe even a fourth one by Toriyama involving Champa and Vados. Those two are currently the one thing about Super that I'm most interested in.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:30 am

Super's a mixed bag for me too. I have been enjoying it more than not. The only irreparable thing it's done imo was destroying the hand-holding teleport scene in its adaption of the F movie. It has soured me on that episode's writer (Makoto Koyama) and partly soured me on the arc itself.
Z had plenty of Toei-created ship-tease (some of it created by Takao Koyama who's Makoto Koyama's dad!), but that scene in F was something Toriyama wrote and Makoto Koyama went and took it out in Super and I was upset all weekend about it and I'm mostly over it but I still can't forgive Makoto Koyama because absolutely nothing was given in return. That was no exchange, that was stealing. How is hand-holding more lewd than a princess-catch!? That's what I'd like to know. [/Toei-induced rant]

(King Ryû please please come back and fix what Makoto Koyama broke!!)

Anyway!

I like having something new to watch each week; and I am at the point where hanging onto a single movie thread for months on end hoping for something is too much of a slow-drip, and Toei's animation on BOG and F aren't that much to write home about anyway because Toei clearly loves One Piece more (though I can say BOG and F look more polished than Super, but that's just because of time/talent). I like following the individual writers for Super and learning which ones are my favorites and which ones I don't particularly care for and which ones are neutral ground. I've enjoyed most of the "filler" episodes at the very beginning and then the bridge between BOG and F.

Vijay · Post by **Vijay** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:55 am

Look at Hunter Hunter (2011) & their 2 films

Whereas Super with its 2 films

MadHouse respects the source material & does its best in every department (Animation, Music, Narration).

While Phantom Rogue was strictly average, Last Mission was garbage. They used poor animation, horrible design/art, horrible villain & bad pacing.

Point is, regardless of how bad those 2 films were, HXH stands tall as a series & thats what matters

Super makes GT look like classic. BOG & FNF are embarrassment to the past 13 DBZ films.

You know where it stands now right?

Doesnt matter is TOEI produces 1 film in 10 years.

If its an uninspired, "market-only driven" product, it will stink & sink no matter what.

Try to not tarnish DBZ's fame TOEI

Luso Saiyan · Post by **Luso Saiyan** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:17 am

It depends on the content. I think for the plot of RoF, it benefits from the serialized format. Despite the premium quality that a movie delivers, it felt rushed and the plot felt thin. However, I don't think they are taking advantage of it, at least they haven't expanded it as much as I would have liked.

Ideally, Super would bridge the anime and the movies. That way, they would create a certain build up and make the movies even more of an event than they already are.

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:10 am

I would've said yes if you asked during the BOG arc but now thanks to all the plot improvements they're making to RF I think it was the right move to make a new series cause there's so much they can do with the plot that a movie's limited time run won't allow and the RF arc is a great example of this.

FoolsGil · Post by **FoolsGil** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:56 am

Not annual movies. But movies every 2 years to Super? Yeah sure.

ekrolo2 · Post by **ekrolo2** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:59 am

Ideally speaking I'd take a 13 episodes per year approach but having annual movies could work as long as they length allowed for enough progression. Anything over what we have now would be better imo.

Gyt Kaliba · Post by **Gyt Kaliba** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:38 am

Honestly, for me, it just depends on the context of the story. Battle of Gods definitely worked better as a movie. Resurrection 'F' kind of seems to work both ways, benefiting from either format in different ways. With the Universe 6 arc, at least what we know of it so far though, it seems like a story that might work better as a series than it would as a film, but time will tell.

Michsi · Post by **Michsi** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:38 am

The movies provide a nicer animation quality, but a series can gives us some fun extra scenes that a 2 hour movie would have no time for. I can't really say which I would've liked, both come with a lot of pros and cons.

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:06 pm

Honestly with how the Champa arc is shaping up, I don't think telling the story in the condensed form of a movie would do the narrative any favours. While Battle Of Gods and Resurrection F work well as movies, I think the scope of the Champa and later the Universe 6 arc would be too big to contain into a movie that would have at best have two hours of runtime.

Doctor. · Post by **Doctor.** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:09 pm

No, I would have preferred a 12 or 24 episode series.

Basaku · Post by **Basaku** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:19 pm

Honestly I'm tired of excuses and trying to "understand" how oh-so-hard it is for Toei. It's a decades-old multibillion animation company and DB is one of their biggest properties for crying out loud. They're not some small independent anime studio with no money. So yes, It's perfectly acceptable to me to expect very high quality from Super and criticize Toei for lack of it

LuckyCat · Post by **LuckyCat** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:27 pm

Maybe. I'm not sure the movie format works for something like a tournament. If you want to tell a long, steady, dramatic saga, which is Dragon Ball's bread and butter, you're better off with anime or manga. Look at the Dragon Ball 10th anniversary special. It's production value is through the roof compared to the old anime, but I still think the anime and manga are far more memorable adaptations of the first Dragon Ball story.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:34 pm

Movies would be useless if Yamamuro continues to have a hand in the. Super at least allows different storyboard artists and animation supervisors to work their magic.

Basaku wrote:Honestly I'm tired of excuses and trying to "understand" how oh-so-hard it is for Toei. It's a decades-old multibillion animation company and DB is one of their biggest properties for crying out loud. They're not some small independent anime studio with no money. So yes, It's perfectly acceptable to me to expect very high quality from Super and criticize Toei for lack of it

If you're tired of trying to understand something you clearly don't care to understand, leave. The rest of us want the highest level of conversation possible, something we can achieve only once we don't have to repeat the same simple thing seven times over.

Basaku · Post by **Basaku** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:06 pm

JulieYBM wrote: If you're tired of trying to understand something you clearly don't care to understand, leave. The rest of us want the highest level of conversation possible, something we can achieve only once we don't have to repeat the same simple thing seven times over.

Other may want the highest level of conversation possible but that doesn't include you, you're getting abrasive lately jumping at any chance to try and 'school' people, how they don't get understand anything and how you're the only one smart enough to 'get it'. Your 2006 sign date doesn't make your points more important, more truthful or better, and it doesn't give you a pass to act like you're superior.

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:10 pm

Basaku wrote:
JulieYBM wrote: If you're tired of trying to understand something you clearly don't care to understand, leave. The rest of us want the highest level of conversation possible, something we can achieve only once we don't have to repeat the same simple thing seven times over.
Other may want the highest level of conversation possible but that doesn't include you, you're getting abrasive lately jumping at any chance to try and 'school' people, how they don't get understand anything and how you're the only one smart enough to 'get it'. Your 2006 sign date doesn't make your points more important, more truthful or better, and it doesn't give you a pass to act like you're superior.

JulieYBM actually works in the animation industry and knows the tricks of the trade. So JulieYBM kinda does have the right to "school" people.

Basaku · Post by **Basaku** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:16 pm

Lord Beerus wrote: JulieYBM actually works in the animation industry and knows the tricks of the trade, IIRC. So kinda does have the right to "school" people.

No. It gives him right to present his opinion form perspective of working inside the industry. It doesn't give him right to act like he's allowed more on the forums than others, treat everyone like they're below him, delegate who's allowed to talk and who's not and determine what someone knows or thinks before they even say it.

Post by **TripleRach** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:21 pm

JulieYBM wrote:If you're tired of trying to understand something you clearly don't care to understand, leave. The rest of us want the highest level of conversation possible, something we can achieve only once we don't have to repeat the same simple thing seven times over.

No one needs to leave, nor is it appropriate to tell them to do so.

Not everyone is going to be equally knowledgeable about every aspect of the franchise, but they're still allowed to voice their opinions and participate in discussions with the knowledge they do have.

You can share the knowledge and information that you have, and either people will take it to heart or they won't. There are no requirements here beyond the forum rules.

precita · Post by **precita** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 5:53 pm

Lord Beerus wrote: JulieYBM actually works in the animation industry and knows the tricks of the trade. So JulieYBM kinda does have the right to "school" people.

What does he do in the animation industry?

Kanzenshuu

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