"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Noah]

Why are Pilaf Gang in Whis ship, anyway? Who invited them? lol

Toriyama himself. No one else cares about them. Trunks/Mai are not even a "couple" in Super.

Probably U6 Arc (manga and probably the anime) are taking into account events of the past two movies BoG and RoF and not its Arcs in Super

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Its just a matter of time until Goku gets SSB2/SSB3. If he can use his god ki to power up his ssj, I don't see any reasons for not power up his other two forms.

Toriyama said that after his fight with Beerus, Goku won't be using SS2 & SS3 anymore because they consume ki, so he will focus on his base & SS forms from now on. Since SSB is his new version of regular SS now, I really doubt we will see SSB2 & SSB3. If we get a new form, it will most likely be a new thing. SS2/3 are now treated as powered up variations of SS now, like SSG2/3.

[apex_pretador]

Is there a age problem when you have god ki?

Is god ki even all that special when you think about it? It just sounds more to me like a more efficient method of using ki that coincidentally up until now was only known by the gods rather than having anything to do with actually being a god.

Basically it's ki that's harder to sense. People act like if raditz level villain has god ki, he can beat a vegito level character with normal ki. -_-

Kaioshin had god ki, (maybe dabura too) and couldn't do anything vs buu.

Its just a matter of time until Goku gets SSB2/SSB3. If he can use his god ki to power up his ssj, I don't see any reasons for not power up his other two forms.

Toriyama said that after his fight with Beerus, Goku won't be using SS2 & SS3 anymore because they consume ki, so he will focus on his base & SS forms from now on. Since SSB is his new version of regular SS now, I really doubt we will see SSB2 & SSB3. If we get a new form, it will most likely be a new thing. SS2/3 are now treated as powered up variations of SS now, like SSG2/3.

I also think that SS2/3 won't be seen for any character now, like gohan or gotenks.

[Araki]

Why are Pilaf Gang in Whis ship, anyway? Who invited them? lol

Toriyama himself. No one else cares about them. Trunks/Mai are not even a "couple" in Super.

Probably U6 Arc (manga and probably the anime) are taking into account events of the past two movies BoG and RoF and not its Arcs in Super

No, they're not. It doesn't make sense and there's absolutely nothing to support that, Trunks and Mai aren't even close to be seen together in this chapter.

Pilaf's gang is here because Toriyama apparently wants to keep shoehorning them in for some reason.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Toriyama basically wrote Battle of Gods by himself, he did write Resurrection "F" on his own. I see absolutely no reason why it's not a safe assumption that the Champa Arc would follow off of his personal version of the works when we have nothing to suggest that he has any hand in the rewrites of these arcs for Super.

Though that also doesn't mean that whatever it is he wrote won't be altered to accommodate the changes the series has made from his version of events in the films.

[Noah]

Toriyama basically wrote Battle of Gods by himself, he did write Resurrection "F" on his own. I see absolutely no reason why it's not a safe assumption that the Champa Arc would follow off of his personal version of the works when we have nothing to suggest that he has any hand in the rewrites of these arcs for Super.

Though that also doesn't mean that whatever it is he wrote won't be altered to accommodate the changes the series has made from his version of events in the films.

My thoughts exactly.

[Neon Z]

Why are Pilaf Gang in Whis ship, anyway? Who invited them? lol

Toriyama himself. No one else cares about them. Trunks/Mai are not even a "couple" in Super.

Considering how Super has handled some content, I wouldn't be surprised if they're suddenly a pair if it comes up in Toriyama's story outline - like how they cut the scene with Videl getting shot and all foreshadowing of her pregnancy, without replacing it with anything, but kept the pregnancy itself, or how they had Gohan saying that he'd train too when Goku was leaving with Whis only to keep the plot point from RoF about him not having trained.

If Toriyama's outline uses Mai being Trunks' girlfriend at some point, they'll likely suddenly be together.

[Chuquita]

It's like dueling banjos. Toriyama keeps saying "More Pilaf Gang" and Toei keeps saying "No more Pilaf Gang" so it becomes this ongoing battle of Toriyama inserting them and Toei trying to write them back out.

[LuckyCat]

Well, Pilaf always played some part, even if it was an insignificant one, in the recent movies. I wouldn't be surprised if he messes with the Super Dragon balls in some way.

[Basaku]

Toriyama's simply doing what Toei/the fanbase already got outta their systems in the 90s - Freeza's grand comebacks, Pilaf gang nostalgia etc. It will likely end soon

As for Trunks/Mai urhm... why exactly people hope it's gonna come back lol? The awkwardeness of it in BOG wasn't bad enough?

[Neon Z]

As for Trunks/Mai urhm... why exactly people hope it's gonna come back lol? The awkwardeness of it in BOG wasn't bad enough?

Well, at least it'd give them a better reason to hang out with the main cast. It's also odd that it was referenced in RoF, with a script by Toriyama himself, and then dropped from Super a few months later, while also not being replaced by anything, making the Pillaf gang in the BoGs arc completely pointless since they removed all of their interactions, including that one.

[Chuquita]

As for Trunks/Mai urhm... why exactly people hope it's gonna come back lol? The awkwardeness of it in BOG wasn't bad enough?

Well, at least it'd give them a better reason to hang out with the main cast. It's also odd that it was referenced in RoF, with a script by Toriyama himself, and then dropped from Super a few months later, while also not being replaced by anything, making the Pillaf gang in the BoGs arc completely pointless since they removed all of their interactions, including that one.

Maybe Toriyama didn't like that Toei dropped Pilaf Gang from Super and because of it went out of his way to push them back into the Uni 6 arc?
I dunno, it feels like the behind-the-scenes duel he had with Yamamuro over the original ssjg design, only in real time.

[Hellspawn28]

Toriyama basically wrote Battle of Gods by himself, he did write Resurrection "F" on his own. I see absolutely no reason why it's not a safe assumption that the Champa Arc would follow off of his personal version of the works when we have nothing to suggest that he has any hand in the rewrites of these arcs for Super.

Though that also doesn't mean that whatever it is he wrote won't be altered to accommodate the changes the series has made from his version of events in the films.

It won't surprise me if Toei wanted to retell BOG and ROF. Toriyama was like "You guys have fun with that while I write more stories for the show". To me, U6 will likely be a direct follow up to the movies. As long if U6 has no references to the Super versions of BOG and ROF then U6 is likely a real follow up to those two movies from Toriyama. In the manga, Goku remembers hearing the 12 universes while Beerus never mentions it in Super.

[Araki]

Toriyama basically wrote Battle of Gods by himself, he did write Resurrection "F" on his own. I see absolutely no reason why it's not a safe assumption that the Champa Arc would follow off of his personal version of the works when we have nothing to suggest that he has any hand in the rewrites of these arcs for Super.

Though that also doesn't mean that whatever it is he wrote won't be altered to accommodate the changes the series has made from his version of events in the films.

If that was true, then Kibitoshin wouldn't be de-fusioned now, for instance, since it only happened in the rewrite. And Gregory would have to vanish in the anime, once the U6 arc starts. And what about Whis' space? I'm gonna stop here, but you get the point.

I don't see a logical reason to expect that Super will suddenly start to ignore anything that happened in this version of the stories.

[Hellspawn28]

I also think that SS2/3 won't be seen for any character now, like gohan or gotenks.

Toriyama said that SSj2 and SSj3 are pretty much useless now. So Goku and Vegeta won't be needing them.

[BluePiccolo]

I also think that SS2/3 won't be seen for any character now, like gohan or gotenks.

Toriyama said that SSj2 and SSj3 are pretty much useless now. So Goku and Vegeta won't be needing them.

The thing that bothers me about that is that Goku and Vegeta don't need their base forms in fights either, yet they are using them to an enormous extent.
I don't see why Goku or Vegeta wouldn't use Supah Saiya-jin 2 just for the fun of the fight just like Freeza toys with his enemies by using multiple forms and gauging his opponent's actual power.

Like, for the sheer purpose of leveling up just a bit beyond the opponent they're currently facing, you know what I mean - not go all out? That would make fights much more interesting imo.

[UltimateSSJG]

Its just a matter of time until Goku gets SSB2/SSB3. If he can use his god ki to power up his ssj, I don't see any reasons for not power up his other two forms.

Toriyama said that after his fight with Beerus, Goku won't be using SS2 & SS3 anymore because they consume ki, so he will focus on his base & SS forms from now on. Since SSB is his new version of regular SS now, I really doubt we will see SSB2 & SSB3. If we get a new form, it will most likely be a new thing. SS2/3 are now treated as powered up variations of SS now, like SSG2/3.

We might see a fully mastered form of the ssj2 and 3 to get a super saiyan God super saiyan 2 and 3 transformation . Goku was able to almost reduce any energy drain on the super saiyan transformation in the cell saga,so I don't see why Goku and Vegata can achieve that full mastered form at least at a super saiyan 2 form under God ki through vigorous training

[Pannaliciour]

Hmm, saiyans are in their prime till the age of 80. That means Goku will become weaker and die someday even with god ki. Its a shame.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

If that was true, then Kibitoshin wouldn't be de-fusioned now, for instance, since it only happened in the rewrite. And Gregory would have to vanish in the anime, once the U6 arc starts. And what about Whis' space? I'm gonna stop here, but you get the point.

I don't see a logical reason to expect that Super will suddenly start to ignore anything that happened in this version of the stories.

I never said Super would ignore their own events. I said what Toriyama wrote is almost certainly a continuation of the material he wrote for the films. What Toei does with that material to maintain their own continuity after he gave it to them is another matter entirely.

Toriyama probably wouldn't care too much what changes Toei was making, or likely even know for that matter. In all honesty, his plot for the arc was likely finished by the time the series was announced. As our first batches of info was that he had written a thick plot and would be working hard on character designs.

We can't entirely judge things like Kibitoshin defusing. It happened in the manga, but we're well aware that Toyotaro made changes to it because of the rushed pacing and likely advanced knowledge that he would be skipping the Golden Freeza Arc. The event in question hasn't happened in the anime yet (if it will). But for all we know, it is Toriyama's idea and he scribbled it in his "thick plot" to happen after "F". Say the gang goes to New Namek to revive the people of North City from the film because it hasn't been a year since Shenlong was summoned. Kibitoshin could pop in and use one of the extra wishes. Obviously North City doesn't need fixing in Super, but Toei's adaptation can happen the same way when they revive Piccolo.

The point being that if the Pilaf Gang is in the plot Toriyama wrote for the Champa Arc, he almost certainly isn't just being shoehorned in for no reason, despite their non-roles in Super, like a lot of people seem to assume. They were likely there from the beginning as a continuation of their role in the films. Whether they make the cut in Super or feel shoehorned in will be Toei's problem from how they handled them in the TV adaptation.

[Araki]

I never said Super would ignore their own events. I said what Toriyama wrote is almost certainly a continuation of the material he wrote for the films. What Toei does with that material to maintain their own continuity after he gave it to them is another matter entirely.

Toriyama probably wouldn't care too much what changes Toei was making, or likely even know for that matter. In all honesty, his plot for the arc was likely finished by the time the series was announced. As our first batches of info was that he had written a thick plot and would be working hard on character designs.

That's what i'm saying - even if Toriyama is not aware (which we don't know, no one knows the extent of his involvement so far), Toei has no reason to want the events to be different from Toriyama's ideas "just because", i don't see the logic there. They're bowing down to pretty much everything the man wants since BoG, and he's working closely to the staff in Super.

It's A LOT more plausible if the relevant additions - like the de-fusioning and Whis' space, maybe even Piccolo's death and Gohan's line about training - were done to match things that Toriyama included in his U6 draft. So it's not like Toriyama needs to adjust to the changes, it's the anime that was changing things to fit his new plot. For all we know, maybe he doesn't want to bring up the Mai thing anymore. You said it yourself, he was probably done with the plot when the anime started, after all. Anything removed from Super could be because it simply wouldn't matter to the U6 plot.

We can't entirely judge things like Kibitoshin defusing. It happened in the manga, but we're well aware that Toyotaro made changes to it because of the rushed pacing and likely advanced knowledge that he would be skipping the Golden Freeza Arc. The event in question hasn't happened in the anime yet (if it will). But for all we know, it is Toriyama's idea and he scribbled it in his "thick plot" to happen after "F". Say the gang goes to New Namek to revive the people of North City from the film because it hasn't been a year since Shenlong was summoned. Kibitoshin could pop in and use one of the extra wishes. Obviously North City doesn't need fixing in Super, but Toei's adaptation can happen the same way when they revive Piccolo.

This is too big of a change in status quo to not be in the anime and only in Toyotaro's work. There's even upcoming merchandise of Kaioshin and Kibito, so of course it's gonna happen.

But the logic you're using there to speculate how it's gonna happen in the anime, is the same that could explain how the anime staff laid out their plans for these first two arcs - based on Toriyama's plot.

The point being that if the Pilaf Gang is in the plot Toriyama wrote for the Champa Arc, he almost certainly isn't just being shoehorned in for no reason, despite their non-roles in Super, like a lot of people seem to assume. They were likely there from the beginning as a continuation of their role in the films. Whether they make the cut in Super or feel shoehorned in will be Toei's problem from how they handled them in the TV adaptation.

But that's speculation. Until we see Mai talk about her 'relationship", or even standing close to Trunks, there's no solid evidence that's the case. And even if the manga did that, that would mean that Toyotaro is following the movies, not that Toriyama was when he wrote it. He's not the manga writer.

Besides, even in RoF, Pilaf's gang seemed completely distanced from the main cast already, Mai just used her "boyfriend's" name in self-defense, as a gag. It would make little sense for them to be invited here, unless we buy the idea that Trunks and Mai have a solid and on-going relationship where they keep seeing each other, lol. I'll believe it when i see it.

Anyway, let's not forget the manga is rushed and skips things all the time. Maybe the anime will come up with some coincidence to explain how Pilaf ended up among them.