"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Chuquita]

Vegetto and Gogeta (well, Movie 12 Gogeta) felt too balanced to me. Like they're both really capable fighters, and Gokû and Vegeta's character traits balance out really well, but part of what makes Gokû and Vegeta interesting to me are their quirks and their flaws. Their fusions don't really have that. Also you can't have a comedic conversation with yourself.

I'd rather watch Gokû and Vegeta begrudgingly work together than watch one of their fusions solo the bad guys effortlessly.

[Doctor.]

But that's only if you JUST use Vegetto and Gogeta as plot devices to defeat the enemy. If they're treated as entirely different characters entirely, like Gotenks for example, who get their own screen time and have enough time to establish a different personality from Goku and Vegeta, and establish the flaws in the character, I think it'd work a lot better. Multiverse does a relatively good job of making Vegetto an interesting and flawed character, even if I personally do not enjoy their version of the character.

But I'm not sure I'd like that anyway, my headcanon dictates that Gotenks is the sum of everything that's wrong with Goku and Vegeta while Vegetto represents everything that's right.

[Noah]

But I'm not sure I'd like that anyway, my headcanon dictates that Gotenks is the sum of everything that's wrong with Goku and Vegeta while Vegetto represents everything that's right.

Er... Gotenks?

[Doctor.]

Yes. Symbolically, of course, not literally.

Gotenks is basically a representation of Goku and Vegeta’s worst traits. Goku’s carelessness and naivety coupled with Vegeta’s narcissism and pride. This is particularly relevant when you think about how Vegetto himself is supposed to represent Goku and Vegeta’s best, the perfect fighter whom can only be created when both fully understand each other and understand their strengths. It’s no surprise that after Goku and Vegeta de-fuse, Goku refuses to fuse later on due to pride and Vegeta accepts Goku as someone better than him and it’s also no surprise that despite Goten and Trunks being rivals, they didn’t get the same boost in strength Vegetto did as they did not mutually understand each other. All of these are the reasons why Gotenks failed and Vegetto succeeded. Vegetto represents what Goku and Vegeta, both individually and working together, can be and are being now trained by Whis to be. Resurrection F makes a great deal of highlighting both of Goku and Vegeta’s weaknesses, not just at the start of their training with Whis, but also in their fight with Freeza as well, with Goku’s carelessness and Vegeta’s inability to react in time being both of their downfalls. When they can master both of their weakness, they become the fighter fusion makes them be.

Like I said though, my headcanon.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Vegetto and Gogeta (well, Movie 12 Gogeta) felt too balanced to me. Like they're both really capable fighters, and Gokû and Vegeta's character traits balance out really well, but part of what makes Gokû and Vegeta interesting to me are their quirks and their flaws. Their fusions don't really have that. Also you can't have a comedic conversation with yourself.

I'd rather watch Gokû and Vegeta begrudgingly work together than watch one of their fusions solo the bad guys effortlessly.

But that's only if you JUST use Vegetto and Gogeta as plot devices to defeat the enemy. If they're treated as entirely different characters entirely, like Gotenks for example, who get their own screen time and have enough time to establish a different personality from Goku and Vegeta, and establish the flaws in the character, I think it'd work a lot better. Multiverse does a relatively good job of making Vegetto an interesting and flawed character, even if I personally do not enjoy their version of the character.

I agree with both of these, actually. Part of why I don't want to see them fuse again is because it removes the dynamic of Goku and Vegeta's interactions, which have been a pretty interesting factor for a while now, and is even more so in this newer material. If they use Gogeta and Vegito as they were used before too, it's without a good enough pay off too. Vegito has a fun personality, but fun enough to make up for the loss of Goku and Vegeta separately? Definitely not. With Gotenks though, I'm able to find equal (or more sometimes) entertainment between him himself and the two boys separately, so I'm fine with seeing more fusions from them.

I dunno. I'm not really clamoring for a Vegito return, but I'm not gonna be against it either, like I said. If it does, I'll hope it's handled well enough for my liking.

[Draconic]

I think it would be interesting to see Vegito return, as long as he is no longer able to overpower everybody easily. We saw him when he was the strongest, when he was in control and when there was nothing that could hurt him. But to see him actually have to break a sweat and how would he react to that would be interesting. Vegeta when he gets surpassed becomes crazy to get stronger, while Goku doesn't really care or gets excited, so to see those personalites balanced perfectly into one, like Vegito's could be very fun to see.

[FortuneSSJ]

-New tranformation. New hair color-
I think we already have enough colors.

No one has talked about it but I was wondering what the relationship between the U6 team members is like. Are they U6 Z Warriors? Are they rivals? Are they strangers? Have they fought previously?

What do you think?

Mini Gohan and Robo are best friends. Freeza guy shares a rivalry with Mini Gohan.
Those are my wishes.

Don't know about Purpe guy and Pooh.

[Chuquita]

Until proven otherwise, I like to think Majin Pooh comes from a version of the Hundred Acres Wood where everyone studies martial arts under martial arts master Christopher Robin.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Until proven otherwise, I like to think Majin Pooh comes from a version of the Hundred Acres Wood where everyone studies martial arts under martial arts master Christopher Robin.

So they train under Chris Sabat (look at his full name)?

[Chuquita]

Until proven otherwise, I like to think Majin Pooh comes from a version of the Hundred Acres Wood where everyone studies martial arts under martial arts master Christopher Robin.

So they train under Chris Sabat (look at his full name)?

I didn't know his middle name was Robin.

Sure; martial arts master Christopher Robin Sabat.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I think it would be interesting to see Vegito return, as long as he is no longer able to overpower everybody easily.

Why not? SSG Goku, Beerus, etc are stronger than Boo arc Vegetto, but if current Goku & Vegeta were to become Vegetto, he would have been the most powerful being in the (7th) universe without even using Super Saiyan Blue.

[Khin]

I think it would be interesting to see Vegito return, as long as he is no longer able to overpower everybody easily.

Why not? SSG Goku, Beerus, etc are stronger than Boo arc Vegetto, but if current Goku & Vegeta were to become Vegetto, he would have been the most powerful being in the (7th) universe without even using Super Saiyan Blue.

I have a theory that Vegetto will not be so powerful once Goku and Vegeta fuses now due to ''Godly Ki'' just like how Kibitoshin isnt that strong.But thats just a mere speculation though,seeing Vegetto getting his ass kicked rather that overpowering his foe easily would be good to see.

[Hellspawn28]

Frost looks like he's straight up been ripped from Dragon Ball Heroes' Froze

They look similar but they are not a total rip off from each other. They do look a bit different from each other.





The horns and body armor is different. I doubt Toriyama knew anything from any of the Freeza race members from Heroes.

[Hot Rod]

I doubt Toriyama knew anything from any of the Freeza race members from Heroes.

Not only he knows, Toriyama himself came up with some designs specially for Dragon Ball Heroes.

[DragonHermit]

Fuck man, looking at those drawings, makes me wish I could draw that well. Being untalented at music, I overcame it with hard work (except singing). With drawings, it's like your skills are set in stone. Yeah, you can improve, but there's a limit, unless you waste every waking hour of your life practicing

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Anyone else wish Pilaf's gang wasn't there? Like I never wanted him to watch Goku in a tournament in Ball, this seams really forced. Not impossible but I mean to me it's dumb. Let's hope the anime doesn't do that. I do love Goku's reaction Gohan not coming. He had my exact reaction!

[batistabus]

Frost looks like he's straight up been ripped from Dragon Ball Heroes' Froze

They look similar but they are not a total rip off from each other. They do look a bit different from each other.

They're clearly the same race, but they look completely different. Gohan and Yamcha look more similar than any of the Freeza Clan members do to each other.

[BluePiccolo]

I think it would be interesting to see Vegito return, as long as he is no longer able to overpower everybody easily.

Why not? SSG Goku, Beerus, etc are stronger than Boo arc Vegetto, but if current Goku & Vegeta were to become Vegetto, he would have been the most powerful being in the (7th) universe without even using Super Saiyan Blue.

I have a theory that Vegetto will not be so powerful once Goku and Vegeta fuses now due to ''Godly Ki'' just like how Kibitoshin isnt that strong.But thats just a mere speculation though,seeing Vegetto getting his ass kicked rather that overpowering his foe easily would be good to see.

You're missing the "IMO" at the end of that last sentence.
I certainly wouldn't want to see that. It's enough that they spit on mystic Gohan like he's garbage, if they ruin Vegetto I'm done.

[Gyt Kaliba]

So you'd rather see either A) Vegetto show up, be massively overpowered, and just wreck the competition, or B) Vegetto show up and be way stronger than his opponent, but something happen to interfere with the fusion just like in the Boo arc, than get C) something newer (at least in regards to that particular character) where even his massive strength level isn't enough to beat the opponent?

You're entitled to your own opinion of course, but A just sounds boring to me, and we've already had B. If we must have Vegetto again, by all means, give me the C option.

[shadd21]

I rather Vegetto be on par with with his opponent but wins by using strategy, but something like this would never happen because this is Dragon Ball we're talking about and not One Piece