"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Ssgvegito30]

I think db supers 1st two arc's are all toei and shuiesha while Akira toriyama is working on the brand new arc that is universe 6 and beyond

[ArchedThunder]

Whoever is at fault for the near dead silence on Dragon Ball Super outside of Japan isn't really what matters, it's why it has been so quiet, especially after F had such a fast turn around. I'm really hoping it's just because they don't intend to release the BoG and F arcs outside of Japan. I mean we're in an age where the Pokemon anime in America is only 9 weeks behind Japan and yet Dragon Ball Super has been airing for half a year in Japan and it's still pretty damn quiet outside of that country with the only known dub being in Asia and that doesn't even start until Summer. I would think they'd want the world to be relatively close to Japan on episodes of Super for video game and merch purposes.

[JulieYBM]

So it's more like Shueisha's fault? They're higher up than Toei, right?

Toriyama Akira is the creator and has the highest power, but he doesn't have any sort of standards. Shueisha is next, they're the ones who work with sponsors and animation studios. A representative of Shueisha acts as a go-between between Toei Animation and Toriyama.

Dragon Ball Super's production is multi-layered and there are a handful of parties involved. Everyone wants a say and when parties can't be patient and hold out for better scheduling you get a rushed series where the priority is to just get it on the air, rather than give the production staff time to actually make it good.

Part of the reason Super probably hasn't aired outside of Japan yet is it simply not being finished in any capacity or in large enough quantities for the production committee to agree to license it. There may also be exclusivity on it.

[Basaku]

Sailor Moon, One Piece, Saint Seiya, PreCure etc all have multiple parties involved, often the same parties as DB yet they all have at least marginally better and more modern-world-aware worldwide distribution and promotion approach. Particularly when it comes to pushing the anime itself to other markets it's Toei's job

[Araki]

Let's not forget Kai never got a simulcast either, and 2.0 is taking forever to reach many overseas markets. Rather than being some reason related exclusively to Super production, it's much more likely that the delay is part of some different approach the parties have when it comes to Dragon Ball.

[ArchedThunder]

Let's not forget Kai never got a simulcast either, and 2.0 is taking forever to reach many overseas markets. Rather than being some reason related exclusively to Super production, it's much more likely that the delay is part of some different approach the parties have when it comes to Dragon Ball.

Kai was nothing like a completely new show and we know they've already dubbed the Buu arc, it just hasn't released for some unknown reason. Getting Super out (at least the Universe 6 stuff) in other countries should be a big priority for them considering that a large portion of the money this franchise makes is outside of Japan.

[Hellspawn28]

Whoever is at fault for the near dead silence on Dragon Ball Super outside of Japan isn't really what matters, it's why it has been so quiet, especially after F had such a fast turn around. I'm really hoping it's just because they don't intend to release the BoG and F arcs outside of Japan. I mean we're in an age where the Pokemon anime in America is only 9 weeks behind Japan and yet Dragon Ball Super has been airing for half a year in Japan and it's still pretty damn quiet outside of that country with the only known dub being in Asia and that doesn't even start until Summer. I would think they'd want the world to be relatively close to Japan on episodes of Super for video game and merch purposes.

Well Pokemon is from a different company and has a different license behind it. I don't think Super will be out for a while because Toei wants a TV deal out of it first. The Buu saga for Kai is not out yet since Funimation likely sign a deal with Toonami to air all of the episodes in order. Funimation dubbed all of the episodes for Buu saga Kai in advance so that Toonami can have them ready to go when they air them. I think we will see Buu saga Kai later this year on TV.

Toei will likely want Kai to be finished on Toonami first before they dub Super. So we probably won't get Super until 2017 at the earliest. Super will still do fine if it comes out late. A lot of the Dragon Ball fans in the US like the series dubbed and most Dragon Ball fans in the US have not seen Super yet. I talked to casual fans both on the Internet and outside the Internet, most of them tell me that they haven't seen Super yet.

[ArchedThunder]

Whoever is at fault for the near dead silence on Dragon Ball Super outside of Japan isn't really what matters, it's why it has been so quiet, especially after F had such a fast turn around. I'm really hoping it's just because they don't intend to release the BoG and F arcs outside of Japan. I mean we're in an age where the Pokemon anime in America is only 9 weeks behind Japan and yet Dragon Ball Super has been airing for half a year in Japan and it's still pretty damn quiet outside of that country with the only known dub being in Asia and that doesn't even start until Summer. I would think they'd want the world to be relatively close to Japan on episodes of Super for video game and merch purposes.

Well Pokemon is from a different company and has a different license behind it. I don't think Super will be out for a while because Toei wants a TV deal out of it first. The Buu saga for Kai is not out yet since Funimation likely sign a deal with Toonami to air all of the episodes in order. Funimation dubbed all of the episodes for Buu saga Kai in advance so that Toonami can have them ready to go when they air them. I think we will see Buu saga Kai later this year on TV.

Toei will likely want Kai to be finished on Toonami first before they dub Super. So we probably won't get Super until 2017 at the earliest. Super will still do fine if it comes out late. A lot of the Dragon Ball fans in the US like the series dubbed and most Dragon Ball fans in the US have not seen Super yet. I talked to casual fans both on the Internet and outside the Internet, most of them tell me that they haven't seen Super yet.

The company that does Pokemon is not my point, my point is that Pokemon is a big worldwide franchise and they make sure to treat it that way.
Waiting until 2017 for Super would be very dumb, the dub should start no later than Fall this year. There is no reason they can't air it alongside Kai, in fact it would likely boost the ratings of Kai.

[Hellspawn28]

While having Super and Kai on the same timeslot would be cool, but it would never work. Toonami likes to use 12:30 AM and 1:00 AM for brand new shows. Most anime fans that watch Toonami probably go to bed by 1:30 AM and 2:00 AM. Toonami probably wants brand new shows like Ushio and Tora, One Punch Man, Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans, Attack on Titan Season 2, Overlord and Durarara x2. The only way Super will air on Toonami this year if they can have Super air at 11:30 PM, but AS needs to put Family Guy at that time slot.

[FortuneSSJ]

Waiting until 2017 for Super would be very dumb, the dub should start no later than Fall this year. There is no reason they can't air it alongside Kai, in fact it would likely boost the ratings of Kai.

Talking about America, last time i saw Kai didn't have any problem with the ratings. It was the most watched anime, followed by Shingeki no Kyojin/Akame ga Kill.
Doesn't need help to boost the ratings.

[ArchedThunder]

Waiting until 2017 for Super would be very dumb, the dub should start no later than Fall this year. There is no reason they can't air it alongside Kai, in fact it would likely boost the ratings of Kai.

Talking about America, last time i saw Kai didn't have any problem with the ratings. It was the most watched anime, followed by Shingeki no Kyojin/Akame ga Kill.
Doesn't need help to boost the ratings.

I never said it had a problem with ratings, I was just saying that airing a new Dragon Ball show before it would probably boost its ratings, making Super a double win for Toonami.

[Hellspawn28]

Jason DemArco said it's up to Toei on what happens to Super in the US. If Toei wants Kai to be finished on Toonami first then we have to wait until 2017 for Super at this rate.

[Basaku]

Jason DemArco said it's up to Toei on what happens to Super in the US. If Toei wants Kai to be finished on Toonami first then we have to wait until 2017 at this rate.

We also know that Toei plans for Euro debut of Super in Q4 2016 and none of the Euro markets sans France aired Buu Kai yet as far as I know, or even announced it would air this year

[ArchedThunder]

Jason DemArco said it's up to Toei on what happens to Super in the US. If Toei wants Kai to be finished on Toonami first then we have to wait until 2017 at this rate.

We also know that Toei plans for Euro debut of Super in Q4 2016 and none of the Euro markets sans France aired Buu Kai yet as far as I know, or even announced it would air this year

4th Quarter makes me feel even more like they might outright skip the BoG and F arcs outside of Japan. I guess we'll see.

Jason DemArco said it's up to Toei on what happens to Super in the US. If Toei wants Kai to be finished on Toonami first then we have to wait until 2017 for Super at this rate.

But why would they want to wait for Kai to finish? Super will help with pushing new merch and games. I see no logical reason to think that Toei would want Kai to finish first. If anything they should want Super to air at all costs, even if that means removing Kai.
And if they want Kai to finish on Toonami before Super and Kai keeps going at the pace it is right now on Toonami then it won't be done until 2018.

[Basaku]

And if they want Kai to finish on Toonami before Super and Kai keeps going at the pace it is right now on Toonami then it won't be done until 2018.

Well, if you force local distributors to buy Buu Kai first before being able to get Super, it's more $$$ for Toei

[Sodhi]

4th Quarter makes me feel even more like they might outright skip the BoG and F arcs outside of Japan. I guess we'll see.

I really don't think so. Toei will definitely sell dvd/blu ray to international distributors to make more money. Unless Funimation itself decides to not air those episodes for some reason, like they did with GT.

[Hellspawn28]

Funimation skipping the first half of GT was a bad idea. I don't see them doing it for Super.

But why would they want to wait for Kai to finish?

Could be of a TV deal from Toei. Maybe Toei does not want Super out until Kai is done airing on TV. Toei probably still think it's still 1996 that they want things to be air in order.

[ArchedThunder]

Funimation skipping the first half of GT was a bad idea. I don't see them doing it for Super.

The difference here is that the first two arcs of Super are just retellings of two movies already available.

[JulieYBM]

The production committee members want their money back for Dragon Ball Kai. You won't get that by sitting on it, rather than pushing it out.

[rolmanus]

Funimation skipping the first half of GT was a bad idea. I don't see them doing it for Super.

The difference here is that the first two arcs of Super are just retellings of two movies already available.

I think they'll either get over with it quickly (two episodes a week while the retellings go), or cutting the episodes the way they cut DBZ. I just can't believe Funimation is willing to broadcast the first two arcs of the series the way it aired in Japan. Not because it was bad (well.. some episodes were, but not many), but because the American audience is different from the Japanese one, and I don't think many of them will have the patience to sit through two 90 minute movies dragged through half a year. Not even with the extra content. I don't think they'll entirely skip it, but honestly I wouldn't be disappointed if they'd decide to cut at least Battle of Gods.