If Gine and Bardock arrived on earth

[eledoremassis02]

What do you think the manga counterpart of Bardock and Gine would have done if they were able to go to earth and meet up with goku. Would they have lived peacefully? Would they have cleared the earth of all humans? Its really hard to tell because while he is a saiyan he seems a lot more peaceful then TOEI's version.

[yamu]

I agree that Bardock seems more peaceful in the manga than he has in any of the animated specials. Then again, even with what we know about the Saiyans and their ruthless nature, I still don't think it is out of the ordinary for a species to show attachment and emotion towards their own child.

While I can't say that they would have lived on Earth in total peace, I think they certainly might have tried to form some kind of relationship with Goku, but I'm not certain about the rest of the Z Fighters. Probably, since that tends to happen with most characters.

[FoolsGil]

If they appeared, they would be the villains of their own saga.

[Cipher]

As far as we know, the only difference between the manga and anime versions are that manga Bardock cares about his family a bit more.

Perhaps if they arrived after the destruction of Vegeta and saw their son was doing well, they'd leave things as they were. If Vegeta were still intact, though, I find it hard to believe they wouldn't want to conquer Earth with their son.

[Hellspawn28]

Bardock was shown killing aliens in DB-. Bardock was still a cold blood murder. He would likely take Goku with him and probably have killed everyone else on Earth.

[Hot Rod]

I think you guys forgot that he possesses a calm judgement and a little trait of humanity...

[Lord Beerus]

I think you guys forgot that he possesses a calm judgement and a little trait of humanity...

Yes. Bardock sure does show calm judgement when he willingly conquers a planet to further strengthen the regime of an evil, galactic overlord and a little trait of humanity when he commits mass genocide against alien races on a daily basis.

[omaro34]

I didn't like Bardock's character in Minus, far too different than the badass from the old school special.

[Hellspawn28]

I think you guys forgot that he possesses a calm judgement and a little trait of humanity...

But he was still a bad person. Bad people can have clam judgement and traits of humanity too. Look at other fictional characters like Al Simmons before he became Spawn. He love killing, but still love his wife and his best friend. The dude was even a ass to other people before he died and took him a while to realize that. Bardock probably does not care about anyone else besides his wife and his son. Bardock would have care less about other people on Earth if he had the choice to kill them or not.

[LightBing]

I think you guys forgot that he possesses a calm judgement and a little trait of humanity...

Yes. Bardock sure does show calm judgement when he willingly conquers a planet to further strengthen the regime of an evil, galactic overlord and a little trait of humanity when he commits mass genocide against alien races on a daily basis.

It's all about context. Is it that different from giving money to "evil corporations" or submitting to a government? Sure the hands on genocide doesn't bode in his favor. But from his point of view, it's not that different from you and me smashing bugs while condemning murder.

Regarding the topic, Bardock would probably kill everybody while looking for a challenge. I can't imagine him living a peaceful, boring life. He does seem quite perceptive in Minus, so he might hold the planet hostage from the shadows. Taking advantage of it's perks, all while adding to his tally of murders.

[Hot Rod]

Bardock probably does not care about anyone else besides his wife and his son. Bardock would have care less about other people on Earth if he had the choice to kill them or not.

It is said Bardock is famous and adored because he saves his partners from danger, which obviously means he does care about others. Bardock (and Saiyans as a whole) kills beings from other races because it is solely their duty under Freeza's command. We don't know what Saiyans used to do before Freeza. We don't know how Bardock would act if he comes to Earth (let alone if he comes without the mission to destroy it) but saying he is a legit villain out of no proof and not enough character development (mainly his intentions, in this case) is indeed wrong.

[Darkprince410]

It is said Bardock is famous and adored because he saves his partners from danger, which obviously means he does care about others. Bardock (and Saiyans as a whole) kills beings from other races because it is solely their duty under Freeza's command. We don't know what Saiyans used to do before Freeza. We don't know how Bardock would act if he comes to Earth (let alone if he comes without the mission to destroy it) but saying he is a legit villain out of no proof and not enough character development (mainly his intentions, in this case) is indeed wrong.

In the Super Exciting Guide, Toriyama established that, even before Freeza showed up, the Saiya-jin were violent and inhumane, profiting off their attacks on other planets. When Freeza came in, he simply used their existing urges and tendencies for his benefit, organizing their actions toward his own goals. It wasn't like how the dub tried portraying it, that they were only evil and cruel because they were under Freeza's boot. They were always vicious and "evil", and Freeza essentially just organized and focused those activities.

How many planets do Freeza and his forces have? Also, is it a company-like organization?

The planets he controls number in the several hundreds, I think. (Of course, this doesn’t include the ones he went and destroyed.)

Since time immemorial, the Saiyans have been a warrior race leading a violent and inhuman existence, making their fortunes by attacking many planets. Furthermore, Freeza and his forces were able to bring even the Saiyans under his control through sheer power. He’s the godfather of the racket. However, they⁴ were merely violent, and didn’t have an especially company-like organization.

⁴ It is unclear whether “they” refers to Freeza’s forces, the Saiyans, or both.

Likewise, Toriyama's interview for the March 2014 issue of Saikyo Jump establishes that Bardock, even though he has "some" sense of humanity to him, is still warlike because he's a Saiya-jin.

The Saiyans [as a whole] appear warlike, but what sort of personality does Bardock have?

Of course, Bardock is a Saiyan, too, so he is warlike, but compared to other Saiyans, who are cold-hearted and of simple thoughts, he also happens to possess calm judgment and a small measure of humanity.

Because of his actions of “saving his companions“, which is rare for a Saiyan, he is greatly adored among a portion of the low-class warriors.

[ShadowBardock89]

Well, if Bardock and Gine arrived on Earth, perhaps Raditz wouldn't had to die either?

[Khin]

If they come peacefully.Would Goku even give a shit about them ?

[TheatreStyleKai]

To borrow a page from TFS, it would probably go something like:

Bardock: Why did we go to Earth again?
Gine: To pick up Kakarrot.
Bardock: Kaka-who?
Gine: Your son.
Bardock: Son? I have one of those?
Gine: ...
Bardock: Oh God, I got two of those!

[eledoremassis02]

It's really hard to say. Here are some panels from the manga

Gine's personality if rubbing off on Bardock, it's possible he could turn out to be like Vegeta in terms of ruthlessness. Given Gine was demoted from being a warrior for her good nature, perhaps she wouldn't want Bardock to kill the earthlings because they don't pose a threat (espshelly of they live in the woods around where he was found)


Bardock doesn't seem to see earth to be a threat and see's as sort of a junk planet (as most do) and seems like Goku is best to hide there. He even warns Goku to not look at the moon. I know this can be sort of a foreshadow to Gohans death, but if earth is not a threat why not? Bardock is convinced Freeza will destroy the earth and they might all have to go there as a refugee. Why also tell raditz? If they assume he'll go to earth too, he's already a fighter, why not?

[Gyt Kaliba]

Hmm...I dunno, even with that version of Bardock being a bit lighter, he's still off killing other races and seems to consider it fun enough. And for all we know, some of that meat Gine is working on is the bodies of other races they've brought back at some point or another - just because she's not a good fighter and doesn't like killing things herself, doesn't mean she automatically is against the killing in general. Hell, she's still with Bardock who she knows comes home with blood on his hands (so to speak if not literally sometimes), and presumably gets along well enough with the other Saiyans, so...she might be just fine with them killing everyone on the planet on the way out with lil' Kakarot. Or even if they stayed behind.

That said though, they wouldn't really gain anything from killing off all the humans, since leaving would also mean abandoning Freeza's forces, and I doubt they'd want to start up their own planetary conquering business, not without bringing along a lot more Saiyans with them. They only seemed concerned with getting their own family out of there, so maybe they'd only kill humans that discovered them and/or became a problem, while mostly keeping to themselves in the woods. It's kind of a potshot really.

[MindForgedManacle]

Some of the points here don't make much sense to me. We already know that the presumably canon Bardock (Dragon Ball Minus) is a bit more human than the anime special one. Gine wasn't said to just be less bad than the other Saiyans', but that she had a gentle personality (presumably similar to her descendants). And given Bardock was stated to have been softening up from being with her, we can assume that he was somewhat compassionate (at least to Saiyans), especially since he was loved for saving his comrades.

As for Bardock participation in conquest, that's a bit tricky. Many millions (if not billions) of HUMANS throughout history have taken part in bloody conquest of other nations, both for prestige and for profit. Hell, this is still occurring today in many respects (usually more economics focused). Are all soldiers today and throughout history monsters? There's an argument to be made for that, sure. But the whatever exceptions you make for them are plausible exceptions for Bardock as well. He had 2 vicious emperors. Just because he was a Saiyan doesn't mean he's a complete monster. In fact, the Toriyama quote from earlier seems to suggest something along that line:

"Of course, Bardock is a Saiyan, too, so he is warlike, but compared to other Saiyans, who are cold-hearted and of simple thoughts, he also happens to possess calm judgment and a small measure of humanity.

Not quite the same. Certainly not morally praiseworthy, but not a total monster.