"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Basaku]

What you're suggesting would do far far more harm then good. Can you imagine the backlash Toei would suffer from such a stupid plan? "Hi fans of this show that makes us money. We need to completely halt production of this show you love so we can funnel its resources into Dragon Ball Super! Thanks for understanding!...wait where are you going?"

Super is a cheap cash grab production, this is just something you're going to have to accept and move on from. They aren't going to do what you are suggesting cause that would burn so many bridges it's not even funny.

Most of the world produces shows and series that take regular breaks, sometimes extended ones. Fans always complain, so what? The shows still score in ratings when they come back. Japanese ain't aliens, switching from weekly all-year production cycles to seasons would have the same effect as in other countries - people would whine and thne just wait and be happy when their favourite stuff returns on screens.

[JulieYBM]

Now I'm confused...
If he's not talking about himself then how does he know this? What's this 10 day layout check he's talking about? What kind of scheduling mistake is he talking about? And is he talking about the quality of upcoming episodes not being protected or is he talking about the episodes that have been airing that have been low quality?

Also why does it say "Dragon 000"? is he even talking about Dragon Ball Super?
Can I get a straight up translation?

"Dragon *censored*, where I'm working at the moment, can't really be helped. The animation director does nothing but check the layout for 10 days (I'll explain this sentence better afterwards). No matter what, the quality can't be "protected" (sorry for being literal but the meaning is somewhere around kept/maintained/guaranteed). Who did, at what point, mess the schedule up?"

About the "10 days" sentence, I'm not familiar with production terms so I'm not sure what this "sakuga kantoku kikan" refers to actually, but it seems it can mean a period of time where one is working as the animation director of a show. Since I interpreted that in another way at first and I don't know who Shujiro Hamakawa is, I preferred to be vague and not say he is the animation director in case he is not. Likewise, my phrasing of the "does nothing but check the layout for 10 days" might give the impression that's a choice he has but the implication seems to be that's the time period they force him to have. Either way, what's important is that 10 days aren't enough to do that.

After the storyboard is finished the director and sakuga kantoku (animation supervisor/director) assign cuts (shots) to the key animators. The key animators take the storyboard and create more precise layout drawings based on the rough storyboard. This gives the key animator an idea of what they are going to do but also allows the background artists to know how they need to draw the backgrounds for when they are matched up with the animation drawings. The sakuga kantoku will then look over these cuts and make sure everything is hunky-dory. Typically this process is longer than ten days for a single episode. I think what Hamakawa is suggesting is that he basically only makes sure the layouts look good (there's a separate credit for this in some productions, the layout sakuga kantoku) and doesn't even touch the actual key animation drawings. I think his implication here is that he has no time to correct the key animation.

[Chuquita]

Latest Super 2ch thread (#89) is linking what looks a new Vegeta Cup Noodle flavor coming out later this month: Cabbage (with bacon)

Spoiler:

商品特徴

1. 麺
太めでつるみのある「カップヌードル ベジータ」シリーズオリジナルの麺。
2. スープ
ジンジャーとガーリックをしっかり利かせた濃厚なとんこつスープ。
3. 具材
シャキシャキとした食感と炒めたような風味が特徴のキャベツ、ネギ、ニンジン、コーン、ガーリックチップ、ダイスミンチ。

Sources: https://www.nissin.com/jp/news/4898 , http://mastiff.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/anime/1452761247/

I'm hoping there's an eventual commercial for this.

[Sodhi]

New dragon ball heroes footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHagITGj0pU

[Lord Beerus]

New dragon ball heroes footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHagITGj0pU

There is a thread for this kind of stuff.

[Noah]

New dragon ball heroes footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHagITGj0pU

Damn, look this animation... Is that really Toei?

[Neon Z]

What you're suggesting would do far far more harm then good. Can you imagine the backlash Toei would suffer from such a stupid plan? "Hi fans of this show that makes us money. We need to completely halt production of this show you love so we can funnel its resources into Dragon Ball Super! Thanks for understanding!...wait where are you going?"

Super is a cheap cash grab production, this is just something you're going to have to accept and move on from. They aren't going to do what you are suggesting cause that would burn so many bridges it's not even funny.

Most of the world produces shows and series that take regular breaks, sometimes extended ones. Fans always complain, so what? The shows still score in ratings when they come back. Japanese ain't aliens, switching from weekly all-year production cycles to seasons would have the same effect as in other countries - people would whine and thne just wait and be happy when their favourite stuff returns on screens.

Toei isn't going to change how Japan's daytime tv works by themselves. They'd need some other company to take Super's timeslot (because if it was another Toei anime there'd be no point) and that company would need to give the timeslot to them afterwards. And they'd need to get the sponsors to agree with that, since the replacement program could have lower ratings than DB. And if it had higher ratings, they could attempt to keep the replacement rather than bring back DB. And then there's also the merchandising side, since an unrelated show obviously wouldn't be promoting DB-related merch.

Also, in many countries soap operas are the most succesful tv shows, and those run all year straight too, so it's not a Japan-only thing.

[Sodhi]

Damn, look this animation... Is that really Toei?

Yep that is toei

[saunasolmu]

So to explain the differences between the movie and Super... what if the whole BoG movie was just Beerus' prophetic dream?

[FortuneSSJ]

New dragon ball heroes footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHagITGj0pU

Damn, look this animation... Is that really Toei?

Yup, that's Toei. They can make cool things when they want. Those promos are short, thus much easier to made.

[derpgoku]

Could those first seconds be actual fotage from super ?

[VegettoEX]

Could those first seconds be actual fotage from super ?

Unlikely. The color palette is a little different, and the only time there's been any recycled footage is from a particular update (I'm blanking which one it was) literally just using movie footage, and nothing BUT movie footage.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

So to explain the differences between the movie and Super... what if the whole BoG movie was just Beerus' prophetic dream?

Except that Beerus /also/ has a prophetic dream /in/ the movie version. So unless this suddenly became Dragon Ball Z: Inception starring Leonardo DiCaprio, then I believe it's highly unlikely.

[Basaku]

Toei isn't going to change how Japan's daytime tv works by themselves. They'd need some other company to take Super's timeslot (because if it was another Toei anime there'd be no point) and that company would need to give the timeslot to them afterwards. And they'd need to get the sponsors to agree with that, since the replacement program could have lower ratings than DB. And if it had higher ratings, they could attempt to keep the replacement rather than bring back DB. And then there's also the merchandising side, since an unrelated show obviously wouldn't be promoting DB-related merch.

Also, in many countries soap operas are the most succesful tv shows, and those run all year straight too, so it's not a Japan-only thing.

Of course they won't change the industry by themselves, but they're one of the biggest TV content producers so they have major power. If few of the biggest Japanese entertainment companies all decided to switch up the format, it would be done deal.

As for soaps, they're not exactly known for quality or hold much esteem, factory-production schedule being one of the main reasons for that. If the prestige of soap operas is what Toei aims for then well....

[FortuneSSJ]

So to explain the differences between the movie and Super... what if the whole BoG movie was just Beerus' prophetic dream?

Except that Beerus /also/ has a prophetic dream /in/ the movie version. So unless this suddenly became Dragon Ball Z: Inception starring Leonardo DiCaprio, then I believe it's highly unlikely.

If DiCaprio could get that Oscar, I'm all for it.

[alakazam^]

Of course they won't change the industry by themselves, but they're one of the biggest TV content producers so they have major power. If few of the biggest Japanese entertainment companies all decided to switch up the format, it would be done deal.

As for soaps, they're not exactly known for quality or hold much esteem, factory-production schedule being one of the main reasons for that. If the prestige of soap operas is what Toei aims for then well....

Anime doesn't need to change to whatever for no reason and soap operas do have quality, depending on the country.

[Xeztin]

Damn, look this animation... Is that really Toei?

Yep that is toei

This need's it's own spin-off anime series because I could really buy "Heroes" and "Xenoverse" being a continuation of GT.

[Zelvin]

This need's it's own spin-off anime series because I could really buy "Heroes" and "Xenoverse" being a continuation of GT.

Ew, no. Don't even try to make GT legit. SS4 looks cool. That's all. All else is pure filth that should never be touched upon again. Xenoverse is at least defined by it interfering with the timelines, thus it can touch upon even the alternate series like GT. But Heroes is literally a living card game, like Yugioh meets Monster Rancher, only DBZ.

I can maybe see Tika (Time Kaioshin) appearing in Super, but that's about it. It'd be nice to give her some legitimacy.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But Heroes is literally a living card game, like Yugioh meets Monster Rancher, only DBZ.

The Dragon Ball Heroes manga seems to take place in the future of the GT timeline, and even the card-game within the story is related to time-traveling, it's not entirely a fake digital world.

[Chuquita]

I don't like DBH and GT.
XV I only liked what it pulled from DBO (I do like DBO's plot).
I wouldn't watch a DBH series. There's nothing about that that interests me. ^^;

Now a DBO series, that I'd watch. (Well, depending on where it's focused. I'm more interested in the plot elements than anything else in it.)