"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Neon Z]

I never said that they were immortal or anything, i meant that Hakaishins are the most powerful forms of gods in universe despite having their own life spans like kais. But whats interesting is that Hakaishins have complete different roles and undergo under different training. Anyway universe 7-6 are both parallel universes which means that most likely similar laws and conditions would apply to universe 6 where Hakaishin is the most powerful character there. Althought I'm not sure if its the same across all 12 universes since they might not even have gods of destruction.

Now when it comes Universe 6 fighters i think they more closely suppost to represent a pun fighters than an actual threats. Unless they plan on setting up something big behind them.

The whole point of the alternate universe plot is that Goku is basically already at the peak of the "standard" levels of Universe 7. Any powerful fighter needs some special excuse to be introduced, like the sleeping god thing with Beerus or somehow being compleletely unknown like Monaca or Whis. If they're already stronger than the best Universe 6 can offer aside from the God of Destruction, it makes the whole thing pointless. We've also seen the Universe 6 warriors in a marketing image, which seems odd if they're just going to be throw away jokes. Not to mention how slowly the manga is covering all this. If this were a quick plot, we'd likely already be in the tournament, since the manga has to rush to stay ahead of the anime.

[FortuneSSJ]

It's annoys me when they said that the Yellow Bear is a copy of Buu. Other then being fat, they are likely have nothing in common with each other. Monster Buyon and Buu are both pink and fat too. No one calls Buu a copy of him.

That's because 90% of this fanbase don't know who Buyon is.
But that counterpart talking, its indeed annoying. Purple Guy full body couldn't look more different than Cell, and yet some people just call him alternate Cell.

[alakazam^]

That's basically people looking for counterparts and the bear is the most similar to Boo out of the five. I posted about them looking like homages to the Z villains (and Piccolo Daimaou) even before GojitaAF (or whatever his name is)'s image doing the same went around and I was completely grasping at straws just to make a point.

Universe 6's fighters won't all be powerful, probably. That's totally fine because we already have four different levels of power:

Piccolo level
Boo level
Goku/Vegeta level
Monaka level

[Doctor.]

I hope we get to see Whis' home planet. Imagine if they're all around the same realm of power as, say, Super Saiyan God? With Whis and Vados being some of the strongest of their race.

[Zelvin]

I hope we get to see Whis' home planet. Imagine if they're all around the same realm of power as, say, Super Saiyan God? With Whis and Vados being some of the strongest of their race.

I don't feel Whis and Vados have any specific race. More than likely they're more akin to the Kaioshins. They were created rather than born. While the Kaioshins were born from the fruit of a tree, Whis and Vados may've been created in similar fashion or from the being that created the twelve universes. Like Beerus and Champa. Despite Beerus having his own planet, you don't see a whole race of him running around. It's more than likely that Beerus/Champa and Whis/Vados are the only ones like themselves, created for their specific purposes as Destroyer Gods and Managers.

We get that two universes are like mirror versions of each other in some respects. Beerus is scrawny, Champa is fat. Whis is male, Vados is female. Earth thrives in Universe 7, and Earth is a barren husk in Universe 6. They're like distorted mirror images, many similarities with some key differences. And the same is effectively true for the other universes, like 5&8, 4&9, etc etc. That's what the setup is to be like. So I don't feel like Whis has some homeworld with a bunch of others like himself floating around. It'd completely defeat the purpose of his existence. Like, we have multiple Kais, but they're all physically different depending on their station.

King Kai is more insectoid as he oversees the North Galaxy. Grand Kai is elderly looking who oversees the King's, and the Supreme Kais are more elvish looking with youthful appearances (for the most part). And they have existed to millions of years, unchanging. So perhaps every universe has their own variation of Whis and Vados, but I don't expect to meet a whole world full of people like them.

[FortuneSSJ]

So I don't feel like Whis has some homeworld with a bunch of others like himself floating around.

In the last chapter, it was confirmed that Whis has a home planet.
That came out when they were playing shiritori and Whis said "Jiru-Jiru", which is a bird of his home planet, he explained.

Now how many more of his race are out there, its other thing.

[Pannaliciour]

Is there a rule that the God of Destruction is the strongest in his universe? Again, no. Their assistants are stronger, and even if you want to discount them, Goku and Vegeta at some point will surpass Champa and maybe Beerus, making them stronger than two Gods of Destruction. Even if they don't, their hypothetical fusions would. Champa can be the God of Destruction of universe 6 but be weaker than everyone he gathered. I'm not saying this is likely, but it's possible, and there's absolutely nothing stopping this from being true.

And finally, how boring would it be if everyone in universe 6 is simply at Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan 2 level because of some unspoken rule that they CAN'T be as strong as Goku and Vegeta? Pretty fucking boring.

You should argue that with Toriyama cause thats what he said. Beerus is the strongest in the universe (excluding whis ofcourse) And if Beerus and Champa both are twin brothers from the paralell universes, then same laws should hold up there aswell. Cause remember who is the god of destruction? Its the character WHO HAS THE MOST AUTHORITY OVER EVERYTHING! If someone was powerful in universe 6 to be able to stand against Champa or be more powerful than him, then he wouldnt be called a god of destruction. Anyway universe 6 warriors look rubish i dont see any of them being close to golden Freeza level. And Goku and Vegeta at this point should already be at the beerus level after 3 years training And able to kick anyones ass in universe 6. Unless those characters had some kind of tricks up their sleeves, reality warping, telepathy, etc to compensate for their strength.

Beerus being the strongest in Universe 7 doesn't mean there's a rule saying that all Hakaishin are the strongest in their universe

Doesn't this contradict the law of the universe> somebody able to stand again a god of destruction?

[Zelvin]

In the last chapter, it was confirmed that Whis has a home planet.
That came out when they were playing shiritori and Whis said "Jiru-Jiru", which is a bird of his home planet, he explained.

Now how many more of his race are out there, its other thing.

I still don't expect to see a whole race of Whis. It's like with Saiyans. There may've been a race, but there's only a handful now which regulate the Destroyer Gods of each universe. If we just go to a planet full of Whis' and he goes "by the way, I'm considered the slowest among my people" then it'd just ruin his character and completely defeat the purpose of his existence. The reason for having so few Saiyans and Kais was to become more attached with the ones we know, because they're a rare people and we won't see many like them anymore. If we turn around and see a whole bunch of them, then all interest in these people is lost.

[shadd21]

Beerus being the strongest in Universe 7 doesn't mean there's a rule saying that all Hakaishin are the strongest in their universe

Doesn't this contradict the law of the universe> somebody able to stand again a god of destruction?

It would if there WAS a law saying this.

[kinisking]

Doesn't this contradict the law of the universe> somebody able to stand again a god of destruction?

Goku and Vegeta should pack their bags and go home, theyll never be as strong as beerus

[NeoKING]

It's annoys me when they said that the Yellow Bear is a copy of Buu. Other then being fat, they are likely have nothing in common with each other. Monster Buyon and Buu are both pink and fat too. No one calls Buu a copy of him.

Seriously, this.

I don't see how everyone just started calling him a Boo clone because he's fat. There is a literal Gohan-clone standing right by him and everyone calls him the "Mysterious Saiyajin," oooooh ahhhh *GT wind noises*

[Pannaliciour]

Beerus being the strongest in Universe 7 doesn't mean there's a rule saying that all Hakaishin are the strongest in their universe

Doesn't this contradict the law of the universe> somebody able to stand again a god of destruction?

It would if there WAS a law saying this.

Read the whole context and than you will understand

[LightBing]

It's annoys me when they said that the Yellow Bear is a copy of Buu. Other then being fat, they are likely have nothing in common with each other. Monster Buyon and Buu are both pink and fat too. No one calls Buu a copy of him.

Seriously, this.

I don't see how everyone just started calling him a Boo clone because he's fat. There is a literal Gohan-clone standing right by him and everyone calls him the "Mysterious Saiyajin," oooooh ahhhh *GT wind noises*

Did you see the poster? The Saiyan looks nothing like Gohan, besides sharing his Boo Arc hair.

[TomTom]

Hello, Dragon Ball Super manga released in April.

https://dragonballsuper-france.fr/drago ... -au-japon/

[Chuquita]

Hello, Dragon Ball Super manga released in April.

https://dragonballsuper-france.fr/drago ... -au-japon/

Nice! I was hoping they'd collect it into a volume.

[shadd21]

Doesn't this contradict the law of the universe> somebody able to stand again a god of destruction?

It would if there WAS a law saying this.

Read the whole context and than you will understand

What context? When was it ever stated anywhere that someone more powerful than a Hakaishin couldn't exist? Seems like a fan theory your trying to push off as fact.

[Xeztin]

In the last chapter, it was confirmed that Whis has a home planet.
That came out when they were playing shiritori and Whis said "Jiru-Jiru", which is a bird of his home planet, he explained.

Now how many more of his race are out there, its other thing.

I still don't expect to see a whole race of Whis. It's like with Saiyans. There may've been a race, but there's only a handful now which regulate the Destroyer Gods of each universe. If we just go to a planet full of Whis' and he goes "by the way, I'm considered the slowest among my people" then it'd just ruin his character and completely defeat the purpose of his existence. The reason for having so few Saiyans and Kais was to become more attached with the ones we know, because they're a rare people and we won't see many like them anymore. If we turn around and see a whole bunch of them, then all interest in these people is lost.

Whis mentioned a bird that he went on to say is from his own planet and I could really see a planet being inhabited by his kind. I could see there being a lot of his race, but other than his blue skin none of them should be comparable. For example, all Sayains have black hair and a tail so the race of Whis would have blue skin and the ability to turn back time. The big difference though is that Whis is the strongest of his kind with the exception of Vados and the the rest that are not a God of Destruction's attendant that live on his home planet should be fairly weak in terms of combat/skills. Goku went way beyond the Saiyans limits so I don't see why Whis couldn't break the bounds of his own races limits 10 fold. I'd have a hard time believing that such a being is born into the world that strong... The Kai's have important roles and aren't crazy powerful in terms of strength so that's an exception. If Whis was weak and only aided the God of Destruction via his time abilities or space traveling then I could see him being born from a tree like the Kais.

[Pannaliciour]

What context? When was it ever stated anywhere that someone more powerful than a Hakaishin couldn't exist? Seems like a fan theory your trying to push off as fact.

Just look what CosmicSaiyan wrote on jan.14 at 11:19. He said nobody can't stand a chance against the God of destruction on their Universe ( the law in his eye) yet he said that Goku and Vegeta are on the same level as Beerus. He contradicts himself, thats all I was saying. And Idon't gave a shit about LAW in comics. I just want to show that his story doesn't hold up. Do you understand now?

[FortuneSSJ]

Hello, Dragon Ball Super manga released in April.

https://dragonballsuper-france.fr/drago ... -au-japon/

Called it since day one! If even a spin-off like Dragon Ball SD can get volume releases, obviously Super manga would get too.
Curious about how much this will sell.

[apex_pretador]

what if monaca fails the test?