"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[JulieYBM]

Why was it good? It's main fight scene for the episode was hardly well animated, to say nothing of focusing on a fight that had next to no lead-up. Is it just because fans have wanted to see Vegeta fight Freeza again for so long they're willing to accept even the most pithy of moments? It still has the same problems as any other episode of Dragon Ball Super. It is in no way a reaction to Toriyama's complaints. If it were we would actually have good animators working on the episode.

[Chuquita]

I wonder if Toriyama is aware of all the nice things One Piece and Precure have gotten lately in comparison to Super or if he's going solely by Super itself.

[Araki]

Toriyama could very well be talking about a specific episode (5). That could be the reason why it was fixed more than expected for the home release. but of course, people will blow it out of proportion even being completely unaware of what exactly he was talking about.

[Draconic]

Animation is not everything. The coreography was excellent in the fight. The destruction of the Earth was superb. The end party was good. What more do you want? If every anime would be about animation, DB/Z would never have become as popular as they are. The fights had good coreography, not animation.

[Basaku]

Toriyama could very well be talking about a specific episode (5). That could be the reason why it was fixed more than expected for the home release. but of course, people will blow it out of proportion even being completely unaware of what exactly he was talking about.

While others will break their heels running to Toei's defense so the balance in nature still exists I say.

[ArchedThunder]

Animation is not everything. The coreography was excellent in the fight. The destruction of the Earth was superb. The end party was good. What more do you want? If every anime would be about animation, DB/Z would never have become as popular as they are. The fights had good coreography, not animation.

But even besides that I'd say episode 27 was pretty well animated, especially Vegeta VS Freeza.
https://youtu.be/0gmKfy7LPBg?t=57s
The whole episode did a pretty good job of staying on model too, with only a few wonky shots.

[FortuneSSJ]

Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. it seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone.

This part is beautiful. I guess he may be with us a little longer and Universe 6 won't be his last stop.

[sintzu]

I guess he may be with us a little longer and Universe 6 won't be his last stop.

A little ? I think it's safe to say we're in for a very long journey.

[Basaku]

Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. it seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone.

This part is beautiful. I guess he may be with us a little longer and Universe 6 won't be his last stop.

I'm sure the fact that he now only does the 'fun' part of being DB creator helps a lot. Few sketches here and there, general plot synopsis mailed to Toei and he's done for a year with fat check lined up a week later. When u compare that to a hectic weekly manga constant-deadline schedule he was under in the 80s/90s, it's hardly surprising he needed a decade+ break to rest from the franchise and feel some love for it again.

[ArchedThunder]

Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. it seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone.

This part is beautiful. I guess he may be with us a little longer and Universe 6 won't be his last stop.

Yeah, I already had a feeling that he'd stay with the series for a long time. He's in the best place he could be in now, he gets to write the story and come up with the characters but doesn't have to crank out weekly manga chapters, he's pretty much where he wished he was during the Buu arc. I'm so glad he enjoys Dragon Ball again and as long as the Dragon Ball merch sales stay strong we're probably looking at a few years of new Dragon Ball story content! I really hope we go past End of Z!

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Animation is not everything. The coreography was excellent in the fight. The destruction of the Earth was superb. The end party was good. What more do you want? If every anime would be about animation, DB/Z would never have become as popular as they are. The fights had good coreography, not animation.

Earth's destruction was the worse thing about the episode, the music ruined it. It was all triumphant and happy like it was a good thing totally took me out the scene.

[JulieYBM]

Animation is not everything. The coreography was excellent in the fight. The destruction of the Earth was superb. The end party was good. What more do you want? If every anime would be about animation, DB/Z would never have become as popular as they are. The fights had good coreography, not animation.

Choreography doesn't matter when it moves terribly. Vegeta beating up Freeza didn't exactly move well, certainly not on the level we've seen in prior episodes. The planet exploding wasn't well animated, either. There was no tension during that scene, despite the good idea of showing the families going about their business. The music selection was as terrible as it has been all series long, made worse by the general lack of flavor to the music provided by Sumitomo.

[ArchedThunder]

Animation is not everything. The coreography was excellent in the fight. The destruction of the Earth was superb. The end party was good. What more do you want? If every anime would be about animation, DB/Z would never have become as popular as they are. The fights had good coreography, not animation.

Earth's destruction was the worse thing about the episode, the music ruined it. It was all triumphant and happy like it was a good thing totally took me out the scene.

It was a little weird, but I wouldn't say it sounded triumphant. But the music was definitely the only thing that I take issue with in the episode, the music that played during Vegeta VS Freeza was pretty bad. Sumitomo needs to lay off of the heavy synth something fierce, he's not good at it at all. He's done some pretty solid tracks, but every track he's done with heavy synth is pretty bad.

Choreography doesn't matter when it moves terribly. Vegeta beating up Freeza didn't exactly move well, certainly not on the level we've seen in prior episodes. The planet exploding wasn't well animated, either. There was no tension during that scene, despite the good idea of showing the families going about their business. The music selection was as terrible as it has been all series long, made worse by the general lack of flavor to the music provided by Sumitomo.

I thought the movement was pretty damn good, all of Vegeta's blows had weight to them.

[Draconic]

Animation is not everything. The coreography was excellent in the fight. The destruction of the Earth was superb. The end party was good. What more do you want? If every anime would be about animation, DB/Z would never have become as popular as they are. The fights had good coreography, not animation.

Earth's destruction was the worse thing about the episode, the music ruined it. It was all triumphant and happy like it was a good thing totally took me out the scene.

I don't know what was triumphant about the song. To me it sounds melancholic, which fits the scene pretty well.

But let's not derail the thread...

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Toriyama post DBEvolution is the best Toriyama we could have wished ever since the original manga ended.

[sintzu]

Toriyama post DBEvolution is the best Toriyama we could have wished ever since the original manga ended.

Who would've thought a movie that bad would end up being the best thing to happen to the franchise.

[SansrivaaL]

The translation thanks to Kei17:

Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone.

I'm shocked.

Holy mother of jesus... am I... reading this right? Toriyama I fcking love you!!! "salute"
YOU FCKING TELL EM!!!!

[ArchedThunder]

Toriyama post DBEvolution is the best Toriyama we could have wished ever since the original manga ended.

Who would've thought a movie that bad would end up being the best thing to happen to the franchise.

You could say Dragon Ball Evolution is the cause of Dragon Ball's resurgence and technically be right, lol.

[saunasolmu]

Where was that comment published?

[sintzu]

Where was that comment published?

The franchise's 30th anniversary book.

You could say Dragon Ball Evolution is the cause of Dragon Ball's resurgence and technically be right, lol.

Which is why it's the best thing that happened to the franchise cause not only is it back stronger then ever, the original author who we thought would never touch it again is also back.