Gohan's lack of Mystic form explained?

[NitroEX]

I saw a part of a episode where Gohan ask Piccolo to train him, is this true or fake?!
http://youtu.be/Bd8Gkrl6CL8

Too little too late imo. The damage has already been done to his character and whatever gains he acquires during Piccolo's training probably won't even amount to what he had in mystic form.

[phattangent]

I saw a part of a episode where Gohan ask Piccolo to train him, is this true or fake?!
http://youtu.be/Bd8Gkrl6CL8

Too little too late imo. The damage has already been done to his character and whatever gains he acquires during Piccolo's training probably won't even amount to what he had in mystic form.

I'm not so sure...

Spoiler:

Since Buu fails the written test before the U6 tournament starts, that leaves a space potentially open for Gohan.

[DanielSSJ]

I'm not so sure...

Spoiler:

Since Buu fails the written test before the U6 tournament starts, that leaves a space potentially open for Gohan.

Is that a prediction or actually true? 'Cause if so, that be pretty cool.

[phattangent]

I'm not so sure...

Spoiler:

Since Buu fails the written test before the U6 tournament starts, that leaves a space potentially open for Gohan.

Is that a prediction or actually true? 'Cause if so, that be pretty cool.

Well..

Spoiler:

In the latest chapter of the Super manga, Buu does fail the written test. We are unsure if this means the fight will be 5v4 or if someone else can join in. Supposedly Gohan didn't come to the tournament (he's at some academic conference), but that doesn't mean he can't potentially up. I think that would be pretty neat, especially since he's supposedly been training with Piccolo ever since the RoF incident.

[Kagari]

I'm not so sure...

Spoiler:

Since Buu fails the written test before the U6 tournament starts, that leaves a space potentially open for Gohan.

Is that a prediction or actually true? 'Cause if so, that be pretty cool.

Well..

Spoiler:

In the latest chapter of the Super manga, Buu does fail the written test. We are unsure if this means the fight will be 5v4 or if someone else can join in. Supposedly Gohan didn't come to the tournament (he's at some academic conference), but that doesn't mean he can't potentially up. I think that would be pretty neat, especially since he's supposedly been training with Piccolo ever since the RoF incident.

I'm all for believing when the anime changed from the movie version to focus on his development and manga is creating some amazing misdirection - namely with the

Spoiler:

Buu thing.

[ROCKYIII]

At least in buu saga he was a little cool 7 years no training because he still had a muscular frame and was drawn well and kind of played it as the underdog... This he's just a wuss with a yamcha haircut.

[shinmaru]

When Gohan was fighting Darbura Vegeta complained that Gohan was a lot stronger when he was fighting Cell

[julianix]

I'm all for bringing Gohan back to relevancy but not at the expense of Majin Buu and Piccolo for this particular arc. Not to mention 3 Seiyans are just too much. Where is the diversity in character development here? We get a new nipple guy that will only serve as a power gauge for the opponents
Just watch...dbs is becoming extremely repetitive and predictable.

[Chillekasper]

I'm wandering... Most people (including me) here thinking that mystic form is a transformation. What if its just his basic form and just powering up? That would make sense because that would also explain why Gohan became SSJ in DBS...

[dbgtFO]

What if its just his basic form and just powering up? That would make sense because that would also explain why Gohan became SSJ in DBS...

That's pretty much the preferred interpretation around here.

[marcbret87]

What if its just his basic form and just powering up? That would make sense because that would also explain why Gohan became SSJ in DBS...

That's pretty much the preferred interpretation around here.

Yeah, after finishing the ritual and Gohan releasing his power, Old Kaio himself says transforming is not the right way to go about increasing your power. I guess that is somehow related to the fact that Goku is not able to sustain SSJ3 due to the strain the transformation causes, while Gohan is able to release all his power without the need to physically transform. The same kind of idea popped up in the RoF arc, as Freezer was not able to sustain his golden form for a long period of time. Though, given that Toriyama seems to conveniently forget stuff it seems to me that this thing about Gohan now struggling to even go SSJ is simply a plot device to show how much Gohan sucks and how much he needs daddy to save his ass.

[Chillekasper]

What if its just his basic form and just powering up? That would make sense because that would also explain why Gohan became SSJ in DBS...

That's pretty much the preferred interpretation around here.

Yeah, after finishing the ritual and Gohan releasing his power, Old Kaio himself says transforming is not the right way to go about increasing your power. I guess that is somehow related to the fact that Goku is not able to sustain SSJ3 due to the strain the transformation causes, while Gohan is able to release all his power without the need to physically transform. The same kind of idea popped up in the RoF arc, as Freezer was not able to sustain his golden form for a long period of time. Though, given that Toriyama seems to conveniently forget stuff it seems to me that this thing about Gohan now struggling to even go SSJ is simply a plot device to show how much Gohan sucks and how much he needs daddy to save his ass.

Ok, but how about SSJ blue? Goku/Vegeta traint to keep te ki inside? So Gohan could also train to keep the ki inside? So he can change to SSJ keep that state?

[zDBZ]

If this translation from the DB Wiki is accurate:

Daizenshuu 2 states that Gohan's dormant power is bottomless. Daizenshuu 2 also states that after his potential was released, Gohan is still capable of becoming a Super Saiyan, but even without utilizing the form he surpasses Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks in power, if Ultimate Gohan (during the Majin Buu Saga) was to become a Super Saiyan his power would likely rise to levels above even Super Buu (Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks absorbed).

Then Mystic/Ultimate isn't so much a new state, or even an unlocking of power, so much as it is a great big booster shot. It also opens up a big ol' plot hole: why on Earth wouldn't Gohan transform into a Super Saiyan when he started to struggle with Gotenks-Buu?

[dbgtFO]

If this translation from the DB Wiki is accurate:

Daizenshuu 2 states that Gohan's dormant power is bottomless. Daizenshuu 2 also states that after his potential was released, Gohan is still capable of becoming a Super Saiyan, but even without utilizing the form he surpasses Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks in power, if Ultimate Gohan (during the Majin Buu Saga) was to become a Super Saiyan his power would likely rise to levels above even Super Buu (Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks absorbed).

Then Mystic/Ultimate isn't so much a new state, or even an unlocking of power, so much as it is a great big booster shot. It also opens up a big ol' plot hole: why on Earth wouldn't Gohan transform into a Super Saiyan when he started to struggle with Gotenks-Buu?

Which is why the DB wiki is wrong yet again.
What Daizenshuu 2 said, was that Gohan had power surpassing Super Gotenks, without even becoming a Super Saiyan. Note no claim was made regarding whether or not he could still become a Super Saiyan and it certainly never stated anywhere that he'd surpass Gohan-Buu.

[Khin]

If this translation from the DB Wiki is accurate:

Daizenshuu 2 states that Gohan's dormant power is bottomless. Daizenshuu 2 also states that after his potential was released, Gohan is still capable of becoming a Super Saiyan, but even without utilizing the form he surpasses Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks in power, if Ultimate Gohan (during the Majin Buu Saga) was to become a Super Saiyan his power would likely rise to levels above even Super Buu (Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks absorbed).

WTF ? This is why i never trust DB Wiki,what's worse is that some people actually believe anything that was in the wiki.

[ROCKYIII]

You'd think he would have turned ssj while he was getting his ass beat by gotenks buu. He lost and was helpless like twice in that match and never thought to turn ssj and multiply his power.

[apex_pretador]

If this translation from the DB Wiki is accurate:

Daizenshuu 2 states that Gohan's dormant power is bottomless. Daizenshuu 2 also states that after his potential was released, Gohan is still capable of becoming a Super Saiyan, but even without utilizing the form he surpasses Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks in power, if Ultimate Gohan (during the Majin Buu Saga) was to become a Super Saiyan his power would likely rise to levels above even Super Buu (Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks absorbed).

Then Mystic/Ultimate isn't so much a new state, or even an unlocking of power, so much as it is a great big booster shot. It also opens up a big ol' plot hole: why on Earth wouldn't Gohan transform into a Super Saiyan when he started to struggle with Gotenks-Buu?

I believe that even if he had transformed to SS, his power wouldn't increase, but his body will suffer strain as big as SS3 , or perhaps even more.

You'd think he would have turned ssj while he was getting his ass beat by gotenks buu. He lost and was helpless like twice in that match and never thought to turn ssj and multiply his power.

He was already stronger than his "current" peak.

[Kaboom]

That bit from the DB Wikia is, go figure, not entirely accurate and drawing unnecessary conclusions, at least the way you've worded it. The old direct translation from Kanzentai says: "In order to defeat Majin Buu, he had his dormant power drawn out by the Elder Kaioshin. Even without becoming a Super Saiyan, he has power surpassing Gotenks."

It really just says that he doesn't go Super Saiyan, and doesn't elaborate on whether or not he can or if it would grant him any power.

[zDBZ]

That bit from the DB Wikia is, go figure, not entirely accurate and drawing unnecessary conclusions, at least the way you've worded it. The old direct translation from Kanzentai says: "In order to defeat Majin Buu, he had his dormant power drawn out by the Elder Kaioshin. Even without becoming a Super Saiyan, he has power surpassing Gotenks."

It really just says that he doesn't go Super Saiyan, and doesn't elaborate on whether or not he can or if it would grant him any power.

The way they worded it, to be precise, but it's good to know that that Wiki is not entirely trustworthy.

But that leaves me as unsatisfied with Gohan's post-Buu transformations as ever: the impression I've had all these years was that Old Kai rearranged Gohan's ki to bring all his potential into his base form, rendering SSJ transformations not only needless, but impossible for Gohan to perform anymore. After all, if he activated the unlock by powering up as if to transform, why wouldn't he actually do it if he were still capable?

[Miracles]

I saw a part of a episode where Gohan ask Piccolo to train him, is this true or fake?!
http://youtu.be/Bd8Gkrl6CL8

Too little too late imo. The damage has already been done to his character and whatever gains he acquires during Piccolo's training probably won't even amount to what he had in mystic form.

Didn't Gohan's "mystic" stage release all his hidden potential that he will ever have?