"Shin Budokai 2" Plot Discussion

tainted saiyan · Post by **tainted saiyan** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:35 pm

So, it's about Trunks fighting Boo? Wow, all I can say is... PLOTHOLE! It sure is interesting, but Future Trunks... Boo... hmmm. I guess it could be worse.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:54 pm

tainted saiyan wrote:So, it's about Trunks fighting Boo? Wow, all I can say is... PLOTHOLE! It sure is interesting, but Future Trunks... Boo... hmmm. I guess it could be worse.

How is it a plothole? Do you even know what that means?

Just because it's an original story doesn't mean it's a plothole. There's absolutely nothing preventing that from happening.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:58 pm

This probably didn't merit a new thread, but whatev!

Anyhoo... looks neat. I always did think that, out of a sense of duty, if not necessity, Trunks would continue to train so that he could continue protecting Earth, seeing as how he's the only one left to do so in his time. Seeing a story that focuses on him after his return to the future should be refreshing.

...Too bad I don't own a PSP. I probably won't, either...

BrollysKin · Post by **BrollysKin** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:01 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
tainted saiyan wrote:So, it's about Trunks fighting Boo? Wow, all I can say is... PLOTHOLE! It sure is interesting, but Future Trunks... Boo... hmmm. I guess it could be worse.
How is it a plothole? Do you even know what that means?

Just because it's an original story doesn't mean it's a plothole. There's absolutely nothing preventing that from happening.

Well, it would be much harder for Babidi to get the required energy needed to resurrect Majin Buu. It took All of Gohan's SSJ2 energy, The three fights on Babidis ship AND Vegeta VS Goku. That would take a lot of time before Babidi could get that energy without them and relying on normal humans.

(BrollysKin for the win!)

Post by **VegettoEX** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:04 pm

BrollysKin wrote:Well, it would be much harder for Babidi to get the required energy needed to resurrect Majin Buu. It took All of Gohan's SSJ2 energy, The three fights on Babidis ship AND Vegeta VS Goku. That would take a lot of time before Babidi could get that energy without them and relying on normal humans.

(BrollysKin for the win!)

Since they're writing a new story based around it, there's no reason they couldn't have others show up to steal energy from. Why not Broli? He came back to Earth in a time period that would correspond with "a" Trunks, so there's no reason he couldn't show up again to fight a "Future Trunks" we're familiar with. There's a crapton of energy for you.

Or Buu could simply be resurrected via completely different means.

Sasuke_Chidori · Post by **Sasuke_Chidori** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:16 pm

The game will have an all new "what-if" storyline. At this time, we don't really have any info on story mode.

About the actual plotline of the what-if story, I'm gonna go ahead and guess that trunks trains. For some odd reason, Majin Buu appears out of nowhere! Guess what, Gohan is back, as for some magical reason, Trunks got the Dragonballs and wished Gohan back! They start killing Majin Buu, and somehow, Gohan dies from a heart attack. Trunks gets angry and the final battle is against Kid Buu.

Trunks looks into the sky. "Gohan, I've done it again, the world is safe."

That is my wierd assumption as to how this new "what-if" storyline will function..

fps_anth · Post by **fps_anth** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:16 pm

I'm pretty interested in how they are going to take this. I mean, will this even take place in Future Trunk's timeline, or will he simply take a ride through time again? I mean, I can't see it happening in Future Trunks' timeline. Too much...destruction.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:17 pm

Its a game people, it doesnt matter if its cannon.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:33 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:Its a game people, it doesnt matter if its cannon.

Say wha'?

Anywho, considering we've already had about 7 DBZ games for the Ps2 that have followed the exact same story to a friggin' T, I'm surprised a couple of you guys are complaining about the game not following "canon". Can't we all agree that we want Dimps, Spike, Atari, or whoever to just try something new? This new Trunks Vs. Buu scenario shows hope of something different, though an original character or two wouldn't hurt. Hell, I'd like to at least see Soba (the Yardrat warrior from Sagas) make a return. Though yeah, that was a pure American game, I'm just sayin'.

Sasuke_Chidori · Post by **Sasuke_Chidori** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:09 am

The game will have 24 characters. The last game had 18. I wonder who those new people are? I bet they plan on taking some out. If not, there will be 6 new playable characters. I'm not how detailed they will make this "alternate" story mode with only 6 new characters. As I usually say, only time will tell. At this point we must speculate.

TAS · Post by **TAS** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:16 am

If anyone played through the original Shin Budokai and did everything, then you'd know there were a number of things in the script that refrenced things that fans might have thought about but were never explained.

For instance with Trunks he asks Shen Long if he can bring back everyone who had died in his time, but Shen Long says it's not within his power, so Trunks just asks him to fix his sword (which 18 broke) which Shen Long does.

So I'm guessing if they bothered with little things like that in SB1 then in SB2 they'll come up with a decent way for Buu to happen in SB2, like isn't it possible for Trunks to still use the Namekian Dragonballs and bring people back?

I mean a lot of people also note that it's impossible for Future Trunks to get his sword the way he did in Movie 13 (even though it was very obvious that TOEI tried to make it fit with series and/or that's where Trunks got his sword, I mean if the movie wasn't enough a hint, the credits should've been) but (anyways) people bring up the fact that in Movie 13 Tapion had to be released from the box with the dragonballs (which didn't exist on Earth anymore) but was it ever specficly stated anywhere in the movie that they had to use the DBs or was it that they just gave up rather quick (physicaly) and thought of the easiest way possibly (the DBs) rather quickly? (And don't bring up all the power level stuff about Gohan vs SS3 Goku, or the stone wall, etc, as they are really meaningless to the overall plot or what I'm talking about)

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:27 am

TAS wrote:I mean a lot of people also note that it's impossible for Future Trunks to get his sword the way he did in Movie 13 (even though it was very obvious that TOEI tried to make it fit with series and/or that's where Trunks got his sword, I mean if the movie wasn't enough a hint, the credits should've been) but (anyways) people bring up the fact that in Movie 13 Tapion had to be released from the box with the dragonballs (which didn't exist on Earth anymore) but was it ever specficly stated anywhere in the movie that they had to use the DBs or was it that they just gave up rather quick (physicaly) and thought of the easiest way possibly (the DBs) rather quickly? (And don't bring up all the power level stuff about Gohan vs SS3 Goku, or the stone wall, etc, as they are really meaningless to the overall plot or what I'm talking about)

For crying out loud, the sword present Trunks gets in movie 13 (and subsequently has later in GT) is not the same sword "Future" Trunks uses against Freeza and Android 18. They're two different swords. The start of the ending credits were only meant to show present Trunks is following in the footsteps of his future counterpart in being a great swordsman.

Yeah, something in the Daizenshuu says movie 13 is supposed to explain how Trunks gets the sword Freeza is killed with...just ignore that!

gohanku · Post by **gohanku** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:30 am

Whoa, I love to see some new characters, at least this might explain what happen if Future Trunks ever met Buu, maybe he will go SSJ2 or even SSJ3! I wish I got a PSP...

TAS · Post by **TAS** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:53 am

For crying out loud, the sword present Trunks gets in movie 13 (and subsequently has later in GT) is not the same sword "Future" Trunks uses against Freeza and Android 18.

Yeah it is, or rather that was what TOEI was intending to be the case.

The start of the ending credits were only meant to show present Trunks is following in the footsteps of his future counterpart in being a great swordsman.

Lol, yeah right.

Now that may be what you believe, but don't act like it's fact.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:15 am

TAS wrote:Now that may be what you believe, but don't act like it's fact.

So whatever the Daizenshuu says is fact? It also says DBZ movies 1 and 5 take place in anime continuity and leaves out movies 9 and 13. Oh, and Ten-san's an alien! Anything else? >_>

TAS · Post by **TAS** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:36 am

So whatever the Daizenshuu says is fact?

When did I ever say that?

Hell when did I ever mention the Daizenshuu?

Anything else?

Yeah, how bout facts backing up what you stated. Oh wait, I forgot what you stated was just a bunch of BS you tried to pass off as fact.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:46 am

Remember where you are, people. Stay on-topic and away from the personal attacks, or you're outta here.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:49 am

TAS wrote:
So whatever the Daizenshuu says is fact?
When did I ever say that?

Hell when did I ever mention the Daizenshuu?

I assumed you implied it considering it's the only possible "proof" attempt at saying the sword Trunks receives in movie 13 is his future counterpart's. Sorry if I misinterpreted.

TAS wrote:Yeah, how bout facts backing up what you stated. Oh wait, I forgot what you stated was just a bunch of BS you tried to pass off as fact.

It's not BS, and what I have to back up the sword being different is the simple logic that Tapion's sword being Trunks' future counterpart's makes no sense. Even if Toei were intending it to look that way, it just doesn't work even for a movie universe; especially considering this movie seems more set in the anime canon. Hell, even Vegetto EX apparently agrees on this one (somewhere on his site, I'm positive he points this out).

VegettoEX wrote:Remember where you are, people. Stay on-topic and away from the personal attacks, or you're outta here.

Sorry Mike, I posted this before I saw you'd posted the above. I'll keep my mouth shut.

Back on topic, Shin Budokai 2 may make me actually get a PsP. I did play the first one at one time on a friend's system, so I know how good this could be. Looking forward to giving it a crack.

wannywan · Post by **wannywan** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:05 am

Conan the SSJ wrote:Back on topic, Shin Budokai 2 may make me actually get a PsP. I did play the first one at one time on a friend's system, so I know how good this could be. Looking forward to giving it a crack.

Exactly what I'm thinking of doing, the story-mode alone will be worth it IMO.

TAS · Post by **TAS** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:10 am

I assumed you implied it considering it's the only possible "proof" attempt at saying the sword Trunks receives in movie 13 is his future counterpart's. Sorry if I misinterpreted.

What I brought up was what TOEI was trying infer, along with the fact that people act like it is infact impossble for it to happen when realisticly it's not given everything that's not talked about or covered in Movie 13 and/or the time gap in the Trunks TV Special.

People bring up various complaints about Movie 13 not making sense with the rest of the series or canon, like Gohan getting knocked out and Goku saving the day, but the movie was the last DBZ movie TOEI was going to do (alongside the series) and they knew that so who else did people think would be the one to save the day? I mean if you know that or have all that in mind the movie takes on a somewhat different perspective, ie you know "okay well if they're going that way with it then of course everyone else has got to be beat down or knocked unconcious" thus the whole Gohan situation in the movie makes more sense.

And then there's also my other point that people bring up the fact they needed the DBs to open the box when infact there's no proof of that in the movie, only that they thought that to be the quickest solution.

Basicly there's more elements (well one really, TOEI) infering that both swords are one and the same opposed to examples disproving it.

and what I have to back up the sword being different is the simple logic that Tapion's sword being Trunks' future counterpart's makes no sense.

It makes no sesne to you specficly though, not everyone, and not TOEI or AT either.

Which brings me to another point, Akira Toriyama was pretty heavily involved with Movie 13, so it could've been him or TOEI both that were infering that's where Trunks got his sword.

Also take a guess how they'll explain him getting his sword in this game? If they go into it.

Even if Toei were intending it to look that way, it just doesn't work even for a movie universe;

It's not supposed to be in the movie universe, it's supposed to be part of the anime universe, just like the TV Specials.

especially considering this movie seems more set in the anime canon.

That was the intention.

Hell, even Vegetto EX apparently agrees on this one (somewhere on his site, I'm positive he points this out).

IIRC in a podcast Mike says something along the lines of TOEI trying to infer where Trunks' sword came from with Movie 13, like even though Movie 13 was messy in areas that it was probaly meant to fit with the series.

All of this I'm sure will be brought up more in full in Shin Budokai 2 I'm sure, and while SB2 won't be canon (or anime canon) I'm sure they'll be trying to make Trunks' story fit with the anime, the TV Special, and Movies (7, 8, 9, 13)

Exactly what I'm thinking of doing, the story-mode alone will be worth it IMO.

How come more people seem more drawn to this game then the first one, like why did people not want to get a PSP because of the first one, but do because of this one?

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