"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[sintzu]

Determine how long the series will run.

Toriyama is too unpredictable for that.

[emperior]

Maybe Frost is unhappy being the emperor of Universe 6 and only sticks to it because that's what his family/everyone expects. He'll then step down and join Goku's gang.

I don't think anyone has suggested this but what if some of the fighters have been forced by Champa to participate? If so, this couold mean they have some sort of grudge towards him (although it would also mean they are weaker).

Well Champa can get every fighter to fight for his team as long as Vados is with him. Maybe someone was forced with force by Vados.
It could also be possible that Cabba isn't telling the truth to Goku and Vegeta and might be evil, but I don't think so.

[sintzu]

I can't get behind 7 minute recaps. I can't. It'd be way too much and it still wouldn't get us to Precure levels of animation.

We're better off with what we have cause with the op and ed songs it would only leave 10 minutes for new content which means it'll take twice as long for the plot to develop.

[alakazam^]

Long recaps remind me of Saint Seiya, in which they'd mostly repeat the animation and narration every time but change the last bits to reflect what recently had happen. To be honest, they weren't bad because the tracks they used were really good to listen to.

[Araki]

But seven? Good lord does that make me dread getting further into the One Piece anime if that's what they've been doing lately.

Don't worry, that's not true. One Piece recaps are usually 3 minutes, sometimes shorter, rarely longer. Some people think the long opening + intro (3 minutes) count as part of recaps, but that is not taking time out of the episode. The intro is like that to make up for the lack of an ending sequence. In the end, the new footage in the average One Piece episode is of 17 minutes at least, which isn't much less than a Super one. It's more comparable to DBZ.

Yeah, there was a time where recaps could get longer, but i can't remember more than three or four episodes where they actually reached 7 minutes or close to it.

We're better off with what we have cause with the op and ed songs it would only leave 10 minutes for new content which means it'll take twice as long for the plot to develop.

I dropped it long ago, but i heard Fairy Tail was doing something like that lately.

[JulieYBM]

Longer recaps will only improve the pacing, especially if the number of tweens were not reduced. Less time for a pithy amount of story.

[Ajay]

Don't worry, that's not true. One Piece recaps are usually 3 minutes, sometimes shorter, rarely longer. Some people think the long opening + intro (3 minutes) count as part of recaps, but that is not taking time out of the episode. The intro is like that to make up for the lack of an ending sequence. In the end, the new footage in the average One Piece episode is of 17 minutes at least, which isn't much less than a Super one. It's more comparable to DBZ.

You're right. My mistake. Didn't even think about the lack of an ending.

[Wezenheim]

Very true. It's a weird trade off. Yeah, recaps are longer and there's less episode content, but I guess there'd be more meaningful content and maybe less of stuff like cutting to Jaco and Bulma talking while Goku and Freeza fight. Plus maybe episodes would start looking better a little down the line. Right now, there just isn't an easy solution it seems.

[sangofe]

Just because there was seven weeks between episodes it doesn't mean animators worked on those episodes for those entire seven weeks.

I asked Vale, a production assistant in the animation industry, if he had heard anything about what was going on with Dragon Ball Super. All he knows:

Would you happen to have any idea of just what is happening on the production of Dragon Ball Super, even if only second hand knowledge?

Trouble. Quite. Don't know the exact details, all I hear is that "it's tough."

They're clearly not giving enough time and space for the animation staff... And are skipping QC...

[batistabus]

Maybe if we're lucky, they'll straight up cancel the anime and Toriyama will take up drawing the manga with Toyotaro as his assistant.



He seems more motivated to contribute to Dragon Ball, but it can't be that extreme. Hopefully it'll result in some sort of positive change at the very least. Personally, my biggest problems with Super aren't even related to the animation; it's the changes/"Toeisms" and the music.

[Retan]

So I guess I'm wondering why there aren't many animators wanting to work on it, this wasn't a problem during it's original run was it?

[Chuquita]

So I guess I'm wondering why there aren't many animators wanting to work on it, this wasn't a problem during it's original run was it?

I don't know how accurate this chart is (and it only goes up to 2012) but if it's right, it's definitely due to the sheer number of TV anime series that are being made has gone up so high compared to when DB and Z aired (while the number of talented animators hasn't gone up to match the amount of series greenlighted) :

[Lord Beerus]

So I guess I'm wondering why there aren't many animators wanting to work on it, this wasn't a problem during it's original run was it?

I don't know how accurate this chart is (and it only goes up to 2012) but if it's right, it's definitely due to the sheer number of TV anime series that are being made has gone up so high compared to when DB and Z aired (while the number of talented animators hasn't gone up to match the amount of series greenlighted) :

Wow. For some reason, the amount of TV anime being produced skyrocketed after 1997 and never looked back, apart from a moderate dip in 2000. I wonder what triggered the sudden immense increase in interest to make TV animes? Maybe the insane success of NGE in Japan at that time lead to an industry wide increase in people wanting get into the TV anime business.

[Araki]

Wow. For some reason, the amount of TV anime being produced skyrocketed after 1997 and never looked back, apart from a moderate dip in 2000. I wonder what triggered the sudden immense increase in interest to make TV animes? Maybe the insane success of NGE in Japan at that time lead to an industry wide increase in people wanting get into the TV anime business.

Evangelion was initially a failure at the original timeslot, but saw its popularity booming after Tv Tokyo moved it to late night. I wonder if that made investors realize the potential of late night anime, there were close to none back then, and look how things are now.

[Lord Beerus]

Wow. For some reason, the amount of TV anime being produced skyrocketed after 1997 and never looked back, apart from a moderate dip in 2000. I wonder what triggered the sudden immense increase in interest to make TV animes? Maybe the insane success of NGE in Japan at that time lead to an industry wide increase in people wanting get into the TV anime business.

Evangelion was initially a failure at the original timeslot, but saw its popularity booming after Tv Tokyo moved it to late night. I wonder if that made investors realize the potential of late night anime, there were close to none back then, and look how things are now.

Yeah, NGE really changed the TV anime game forever when you think about. You could honestly say that NGE was the original late night anime because of how successful it was given its timeslot. Hell, nowadays you could say the late night slot has become oversaturated with TV anime looking to make a good profit from the niche audience.

[Hellspawn28]

Berserk aired in 1997 and is view as the anime that kick off late night anime. Late night anime killed off the OVA market since you can get away with more content on late night TV. In the 80's and early-mid 90's, if you want to make dark and violent anime, it had to be a OVA since most anime would air in the morning and after noons from what I can remember. I bet if anime like Mad Bull 34, Bastard!! and Devilman got adapted again into a anime TV series, they would be on late night TV slots and not OVA's.

[Noah]

With so many problems with DBS animation schedule, the only thing we have left is hope that the show stays in a good standard at least.

[Xeztin]

Has this been posted yet? I heard its BOG's script that Toriyama wrote but It doesn't look like one to me. Others are saying its a new movie again. It's from the 30th Anniversary book I believe.
This is all I know from a bit someone posted which was poorly translated with google :
Screenplay: Akira Toriyama
Director: Daisuke Nishio
character design and animation director: Kubota oath look at the DB Mitee

[alakazam^]

That's Chikashi Kubota talking about "my first anime", or rather, the series that most inspired him. He seems to be a freelance animator.

[JulieYBM]

Wow. For some reason, the amount of TV anime being produced skyrocketed after 1997 and never looked back, apart from a moderate dip in 2000. I wonder what triggered the sudden immense increase in interest to make TV animes? Maybe the insane success of NGE in Japan at that time lead to an industry wide increase in people wanting get into the TV anime business.

Evangelion was initially a failure at the original timeslot, but saw its popularity booming after Tv Tokyo moved it to late night. I wonder if that made investors realize the potential of late night anime, there were close to none back then, and look how things are now.

According to Anime! Real vs. Dream:

Fuuta pinpoints Evangelion as the catalyst for what eventually became the modern industry business model of creating shows that exist as advertisements for their home video release. Eva didn’t just change the perception of anime in the public consciousness, it also sold 1.5 million copies on laserdisc alone, opened the floodgates on shows geared towards otaku, and was instrumental in creating a concept Fuuta refers to as “My Anime”: niche shows with early-morning TV timeslots that shoot to make their money back on home video sales.

So I guess I'm wondering why there aren't many animators wanting to work on it, this wasn't a problem during it's original run was it?

I don't know how accurate this chart is (and it only goes up to 2012) but if it's right, it's definitely due to the sheer number of TV anime series that are being made has gone up so high compared to when DB and Z aired (while the number of talented animators hasn't gone up to match the amount of series greenlighted) :

According to Wikipedia, 2014 saw 171 animated series. The following year of 2015 saw 161 animated series.

That's Chikashi Kubota talking about "my first anime", or rather, the series that most inspired him. He seems to be a freelance animator.

He is the character designer and chief animation supervisor of One Punch Man, too.