Was The Original SSJG Weaker Than The Legendary SSJ?

[theherodjl]

Obviously, SSJG is stronger than SSJ3 as Goku & Vegeta have demonstrated however does that mean the original SSJG was anything special compared to the SSJ of Legend? Goku & Vegeta were both prime candidates to becoming SSJ even early on in the story so their base forms were unequivocally greater than any normal Saiyan up until that point, would you say the Legendary SSJ was a similar case and that his base form was massively greater than other Saiyans and so as a SSJ he could've matched or even been superior to the original SSJG?

[Lord Beerus]

Well, considering the Original SSJG couldn't defeat a bunch of Oozarus in time, while the Legendary SSJ was apparently so immense he destroyed the planet he was on, you could assume that the Legendary SSJ was stronger than the Original SSJG. Although, the visual of the the Legendary SSJ destroying the planet he was on was filler.

[emperior]

It's said the Legendary SSJ was the strongest in the universe and had no rivals. We still don't know what Super will do with the Original SSJ God, but if it will be anything closer to what's said in BoG, then we can't calculate who is the strongest because the OSSJ God maybe wasn't aware about the time limitations of the transformation and couldn't make the power of the SSJG his like Goku did. He was probably alone against hundreds of Oozarus so that takes time and he probably obtained the form due to pure luck and as we have seen it took Goku, a very experienced fighter, some time to control the form.

[MindForgedManacle]

Yea, I think it had more to do with the transformation's time limit and him being up against a bunch of Ozaru. SSJ doesn't have an inbuilt time limit per se, so it's much easier (in some respects) to end up blowing up the planet. The OSSJG probably couldn't risk Ki attacks very much, especially considering he was a good person (we have no idea about how good/bad a person the 1st SSJ was).

[buutenks]

Pretty sure ssj god was this massively powerful due to goku himself being massively powerful.

However we do know the legendary form has a 50x multiplier,while we dont know what kind of multiplier ssj god has,so id say its higher than 50x.However due to the time limit and perhaps and saiyan who obtained it he couldnt finish the job and lost the form.

So BP wise,ssj god is much more powerful than the legendary form,however due to the time limit its a bit useless considering the saiyan is a good guy so he mostly like will hold back as to not do more damage than is needed.

Here;s an example or so:

Pure saiyan has a BP of 7 k,ssj god has a 500x(just a guess,idk how much it is ^^) multiplier,this gives him 3.5 mill PL.Now he is up against allot of 20-70 k Oozaru;s.No big deal eh?Well problem is since he is so good he is holding back allot as to not cause to much destruction and he winds up losing the god form very quickly and the Oozaru;s that r left kill him.Kinda sad.

Now the soon to be legendary saiyan,he doesnt need to be good,can be evil.Lets say his BP is higher due to the req for achieving ssj is higher,so he has a BP of 30 k(he fought allot,got healed went berserk after getting enraged and became the legendary ssj)So from 30 k his BP increases to 1.5 million.Since he is proly still evil he wont give 2 shits on the collateral damage and blow the oozaru;s sky high and since he doesnt have a time limit,even if some oozaru manage to hide or w/e he is still at a steady 1.5 mil PL so they cant do squat to him.

So legendary form kills off most and proly himself in one massive attack and goes down in legend.

While ssj god kills some off,loses the form gets killed and everyone forgets about him or her,since he didnt do anything impactful.

My opinion.

[Draconic]

Well, let's try to solve this:

We know the Original SSG was a pure hearted saiyan. This means he might not have engaged in acts like rampaging planets, so he wouldn't have had many zenkais troughout his life, nor as much experience in battle. Also, he probably wasn't an elite, so he should be below Nappa pre ritual. Let's say he was Raditz level (though he might was well have been BoZ Goku level, but let's give the guy some credit). Becoming a SSG at that low a level, he probably comes nowhere near the likes of Buu. If he had a BP of 1,500 and Goku's full power on Namek was 150 million, if the multiplier for SSG is 100,000x base (as we know it is dependent on the saiyan's BP) then that puts the OSSG at Namek Goku level. I think 100,000x is pretty accurate. SSJ3 is 400x base, if base Vegetto is only SSJ tier (which is kind of on the low end) that puts his own SSJ form at about 2,500x base and his SSJ3 form at 20,000x times base Goku and that would have still not been enough to fight Beerus, while SSG Goku could, so I think a five times increase is plausible, if not a little on the high end, but again, let's give the ritual some credit here.

So, to sum it up, OSSG is Namek Goku level at best.

Now, let's move on to the Legendary Super Saiyan. We know that to achieve the form, you need to break trough a saiyan's normal limits. This is something that Vegeta did, from what I can remember, after surpassing a BP of 100,000. So everything after that is fair game. Also, from BoG we know that base saiyans have not surpassed Freeza at that point. Goku on Namek was 3 million, and his base by BoG let's say 10 million. I can't imagine the LSSJ getting to that level of power. This gives us a range for the LSSJ's power: from 100,000 to 3 million. Just like before, let's give some credit to the guy and say he was 3 million, as I don't see how if he was lower, Freeza would be scared by such a weakling. This again, puts the LSSJ at Namek Goku level, on the highest end.

To sum this up too, LSSJ is also Namek Goku level at best.

Now, let's see at the lowest. Let's assume the OSSG had just a 450 power level (aproximating Goku's BoZ power to a rounder number, since I can't remember it of the top of my head). With the 100,000x increase he would fall at 45 million. On the other hand, the LSSJ, as explained above, at the lowest he would need a 100,000 BP. Times 50, that puts him at just 5 million.

And, to close it off, let's see where they would fall if their transformations occured somewhere in the middle of those ranges. Between 450 and 1,500 the middle is around 900, so the OSSG would have been 90 million. On the other side, the middle between 100,000 and 3 million is somewhere around 1.6 million, which would put the LSSJ at 80 million.

This sums it up and the result kinda surprises me, but it seems there is no way that the Original Super Saiyan God was weaker than the Legendary Super Saiyan. I really thought this little number play would prove otherwise, but it seems not. At best the LSSJ was on equal footing with the OSSG. Though, when you think about it, it doesn't really matter. After all, neither of them acomplished anything. The OSSG wasn't quick enough to defeat the evil saiyans before the time limit ran out and the LSSJ got consumed by his own new found power and kinda killed himself.

tl;dr OSSG >= LSSJ

[Captain Strawberry]

I always took them as the same person

[successoroffate]

So, we're not talking Broly here right? We're talking the Legendary SSJ 4 right???

[emperior]

So, we're not talking Broly here right? We're talking the Legendary SSJ 4 right???

we are talking about canon things man

the legendary SSJ is the one of the legends, the one who appeared 1000 years before Goku