"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[JulieYBM]

Huh. That sucks. Editing Fuuji's drawings that like isn't pleasant.

[Sodhi]

Well that's a shame considering how the episode he worked on (13) is one of the most enjoyable of the series so far.

He also worked on episode 19 as a key animator and he does all of the endings by himself,and some of the opening too.

[Skar]

Is there any information about when the RoF and Champa sagas take place in Super? I know it's in Age 779 but is it towards the beginning or end of the year? Battle of Gods took place on August 18th, Age 778 according to the Wiki. They're not the most reliable source so that could be wrong though. Assuming it's correct, and since Pan is born, I'm thinking RoF takes place at least after May or June in Age 779.

Just wondering how much time they have left within that year. In the final chapters of the manga, Bulma said she hasn't seen Goku in five years which goes back to Age 779. In the "Super History Book, Toriyama implies that the final chapter of the manga is still the ending so I don't think we'll get a timeskip jumping past the End of Z.

[VegettoEX]

Battle of Gods took place on August 18th, Age 778 according to the Wiki.

The August 18 date takes information about Bulma's birthday from a 1986 issue of Weekly Shonen Jump. That information was not repeated anywhere else. We, at least, try to be very careful about inserting that information without providing any additional context about its source.

[Skar]

That information was not repeated anywhere else. We, at least, try to be very careful about inserting that information without providing any additional context about its source.

I see thank you for clarifying. It seems most of the info on the Wiki is copy-pasted from Kanzenshuu but they didn't give a source for that date so I wasn't sure where they got it from. Does that mean all the recent info for BoG and Super only mention the year, Age 778, but not a specific month or day?

[ArchedThunder]

In the "Super History Book, Toriyama implies that the final chapter of the manga is still the ending so I don't think we'll get a timeskip jumping past the End of Z.

I really don't get why people think this, he was asked how he felt when drawing the final part of the Manga (Buu to the end) and he answered that, I don't think how he felt over 20 years ago when he just wanted to be done with it has any bearing on the decisions he's going to make with the franchise going forward now that he's back. I mean he's already done stuff against how he felt back then, he said there was no way Goku could get stronger and now here we are with Goku being way stronger than he was during the Buu arc and still getting stronger.

[Skar]

In the "Super History Book, Toriyama implies that the final chapter of the manga is still the ending so I don't think we'll get a timeskip jumping past the End of Z.

I really don't get why people think this, he was asked how he felt when drawing the final part of the Manga (Buu to the end) and he answered that, I don't think how he felt over 20 years ago when he just wanted to be done with it has any bearing on the decisions he's going to make with the franchise going forward now that he's back. I mean he's already done stuff against how he felt back then, he said there was no way Goku could get stronger and now here we are with Goku being way stronger than he was during the Buu arc and still getting stronger.

That is true but I don't think it was Toriyama's intention to continue the series. From my understanding, BoG was originally written by Toei and Toriyama agreed to revise it because he was disappointed with Evolution. For all we know, Toei could have set BoG after the end of Z and then Toriyama decided to have it take place during the ten years of peace. In this interview, he explains why he chose that time period:

With regards to the time frame of “for the first time in 39 years”, the movie’s setting is after the defeat of Majin Buu, and also prior to the final chapter. Why is it that you chose this period?
When I decided, “For this movie, let’s go with the whole cast!” I thought, “What era would be best?” If it’s a few years after the “Majin Buu arc”, then almost all the cast members are at MAX strength…. And also, you know, in the final chapter, where Uub appears, I made [characters like] Bulma and Kuririn pretty old, so honestly, I thought, “Maaaybe it’s a biiit difficult” [to make the time period any later]. (laughs)

[DBZGTKOSDH]

From his latest interview:

When the kanzenban came out several years later, I added a bit more to the ending. I thought that somehow it just didn’t click. I wanted to make it more clear that Goku’s battles were over, and that a new generation was taking over.

So, I guess we shouldn't expect any new adventures from Toriyama beyond the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai.

[ArchedThunder]

In the "Super History Book, Toriyama implies that the final chapter of the manga is still the ending so I don't think we'll get a timeskip jumping past the End of Z.

I really don't get why people think this, he was asked how he felt when drawing the final part of the Manga (Buu to the end) and he answered that, I don't think how he felt over 20 years ago when he just wanted to be done with it has any bearing on the decisions he's going to make with the franchise going forward now that he's back. I mean he's already done stuff against how he felt back then, he said there was no way Goku could get stronger and now here we are with Goku being way stronger than he was during the Buu arc and still getting stronger.

That is true but I don't think it was Toriyama's intention to continue the series. From my understanding, BoG was originally written by Toei and Toriyama agreed to revise it because he was disappointed with Evolution. For all we know, Toei could have set BoG after the end of Z and then Toriyama decided to have it take place during the ten years of peace. In this interview, he explains why he chose that time period:

With regards to the time frame of “for the first time in 39 years”, the movie’s setting is after the defeat of Majin Buu, and also prior to the final chapter. Why is it that you chose this period?
When I decided, “For this movie, let’s go with the whole cast!” I thought, “What era would be best?” If it’s a few years after the “Majin Buu arc”, then almost all the cast members are at MAX strength…. And also, you know, in the final chapter, where Uub appears, I made [characters like] Bulma and Kuririn pretty old, so honestly, I thought, “Maaaybe it’s a biiit difficult” [to make the time period any later]. (laughs)

And now he's doing tons of world building and introducing lots of new characters, it feels like the perfect way to move the story past the end of Z.

From his latest interview:

When the kanzenban came out several years later, I added a bit more to the ending. I thought that somehow it just didn’t click. I wanted to make it more clear that Goku’s battles were over, and that a new generation was taking over.

So, I guess we shouldn't expect any new adventures from Toriyama beyond the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai.

Again, that was how he felt a long time ago and how he felt then likely has little to no bearing on the decisions he's going to make to move the series forward.

[Skar]

And now he's doing tons of world building and introducing lots of new characters, it feels like the perfect way to move the story past the end of Z.

Well we had a lot of world building during the Freeza saga but we only ended up exploring two planets outside of Earth: Planet Namek and part of Freeza's base planet. I agree there's still room for the story to continue but has Toriyama himself implied he wants to? He said the characters were too old after the ending so that would mean we'd only be seeing the next generation fighters like Uub, Pan, and Bra in a sequel. I don't know how popular that would be or if Toriyama is interested in writing a story where Goku is reduced to a supporting character role.

Again, that was how he felt a long time ago and how he felt then likely has little to no bearing on the decisions he's going to make to move the series forward.

That was from a recent interview so why not just mention that he changed his mind? At least he could've said "that was the ending at the time but now I feel there might be more adventures for them!" or something like that.

[Draconic]

I could see him doing a one-shot manga happening after EoZ, in like 5-10 years, focusing on the new generation and showing how the old gang is doing after all of them pretty much retired from fighting, especially now that even after the Super stuff will be over (even if it goes past U6, since I don't think it will go past EoZ even so) some of that might need some fleshing out. But more than that I think it's very unlikely.

[dbzfan7]

I take that quote as a possible hint, that we're not going past the 10 year gap. I doubt they have any interest in Oob and Pan, much less Goku giving way to a new generation. I believe they'll keep it to Goku and Vegeta (For now, as I can see him going the GT route again possibly.)

[ArchedThunder]

Who said that Goku has to be retired as the main character? They literally just introduced a plot point that Saiyans stay in their prime until they're 80...
Ya'll are reading WAY too much into what he didn't say.

[pacz360]

Let's be real we don't know what's gonna happen with eoz maybe he could go past it and maybe he won't let's see how things progress to see what happens.

[Skar]

Who said that Goku has to be retired as the main character? They literally just introduced a plot point that Saiyans stay in their prime until they're 80...
Ya'll are reading WAY too much into what he didn't say.

We're reading into what he did say and that Goku's battles were over. I understand if you want to interpret that as only applying to the manga back then but I don't think there's anything wrong with believing that still holds true. As a fan of Dragonball, I would love to see more of it but I'm just wondering how much further can it go? In episode 28, they said that Champa and Beerus fighting at full strength would threaten both U6 and U7. Sooner or later there's probably going to be a fight where the entire multiverse is in danger. I don't think they would introduce such incredible feats compared to everything else we've seen if they planned for Super to continue on for multiple sagas.

[Ssgvegito30]

It would be cool if he does go past EOZ Era maybe new adventures for the next generation and goku being there as a supporting role along with vegeta & piccolo we will really find out after u6 arc ends and if there will be a time skip or maybe super ends at EOZ and there might be a sequel for the next generation series, I hope this becomes a reality.....

[Basaku]

Pass it down to next generation then. If Star Wars can do it succesfully after 40 years, DB can do it too.

[dbzfan7]

Pass it down to next generation then. If Star Wars can do it succesfully after 40 years, DB can do it too.

Does the Heroes manga stuff count? That's the closest I can think of.

Otherwise I think both could be done. One series with Goku (Super), and one series in the distant future (Can simply be a manga). Everyone wins. We keep the status quo, while also having an alternative option for something else.

[Lord Beerus]

I could see him doing a one-shot manga happening after EoZ, in like 5-10 years, focusing on the new generation and showing how the old gang is doing after all of them pretty much retired from fighting, especially now that even after the Super stuff will be over (even if it goes past U6, since I don't think it will go past EoZ even so) some of that might need some fleshing out. But more than that I think it's very unlikely.

Yeah, something similar to Naruto: The Seventh Hokage and the Scarlet Spring would be pretty cool.

[Hellspawn28]

Pass it down to next generation then. If Star Wars can do it succesfully after 40 years, DB can do it too.

I think they would done that with Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. in 1997 if GT didn't flopped. Not sure if fans would like a brand new cast of heroes without Goku and the other Z fighters around. People want to see Goku, Vegeta and the other iconic characters.