Biggest hopes and biggest fears of Super

[dbzfan7]

Now that we're finally getting into new material, I think a neat topic that covers both the ups and downs of speculation is a neat idea. What are the biggest hopes we all have, and what are the biggest fears we all have. What do we each as individuals want, and what do we fear. Some are more hopeful than others, and some are more fearful than others. Let's bring up some hopes and fears, and see what the results are as the series progresses.

My biggest hope is that a bigger cast becomes relevant. Whether it's old returning characters like Gohan and Piccolo, or Goku and Vegeta are joined by Universe 6 characters and possibly Monaka. I can go either way or both. I love Goku and Vegeta, but I'm getting tired of them being the only one's who matter. I'd personally like the older characters to gain more relevance, but I'd also be fine with more new characters like Monaka joining the cast and being relevant. Just as long as if we go the new route, the old characters aren't just standing around as spectators while this happens. Let Goku and Vegeta go to Universe 6 so they're spared from that role.

My biggest fear is a boring status quo of strong bad guy, only Goku and maybe Vegeta can stand up to it, old cast is either around to get beaten up or spectate, Goku saves the day (Doesn't have to kill bad guy, but save the day.), rinse repeat. It hasn't come true yet as U6 shows potential for something great, but I can't help but look to the previous material to get this impression. I feel the flow basically cuts out all of what made some previous arcs great, and says "Fuck it skip right to what people expect to be the climax." I give the movie arcs a pass since they were meant to be movies and not arcs. So the next one could feel more like an anime arc.

[dbgtFO]

My biggest hope is that this Universe 6 Arc isn't just some adventure arc post tournament with little at stake and that there actually is going to be a truly evil villain to oppose the Dragon Team. Champa doesn't strike me as a villain; although he was collecting the Super DBs for some unknown reason, my suspicion is that it was just for some delicious food or anything that could get him to one-up Beerus.

My biggest fear is that it's just going to be Goku and Vegeta running the show in this arc. I'd like to see other characters join them once they finally travel to U6. It's nice we got Buu and Piccolo to participate in the tournament, but that was ruined by Buu's exclusion. Hoping that Piccolo can put up a good show against whoever he goes up against, if he gets the chance that is.

[Vijay]

Hope? Frankly, nothing.

Fear. Hell yeah.

1. Intro of unlikable, obnoxious characters as Beerus, Champa etc

2. Tourney becomes week-of-the-monster routine as Shadow Dragon Arc in GT

3. ROFL & LOL-inducing wannabe "dramatic events"

4. Plot gets override with crude, juvenile humor as in BOG

If, only if Super's next part manages to entertain me inspite of ALL those fears, then I'll definetly change my mind of the show

[AS_Saiyan]

My biggest hope is that we'll see more of the other characters, more character interactions between the Z fighters and their families, between the supporting cast etc. More character development for a lot of them. I want to see Kuririn and Gohan success as both family men and fighters, Piccolo revealing more about U6's Namekiens, Tenshinhan and Yamcha getting girlfriends, Goten and Trunks getting more depth and not being just the gag characters who fight sometimes. Make them special, make each of them be their own characters. Because as for now, I don't think we've seen them fight NOT AS GOTENKS ever since the 25th TB. And of course, give them all new attacks. Sure, I LOVE the old ones, but new and cool ones are never bad.

My biggest fear is that all the other characters will be 'forgotten'. The series will be only about Goku and Vegeta, with Champa/Beerus/Whis/Vados there as plot devices and for comedy.

[Khin]

Biggest hopes :
- Goku/Vegeta or Cabba will a new unique transformation.
- Frost will be an ally for the Z-Senshi.
- Animation and fighting choreography will at least improve.
- Monaka will be an interesting character like Beerus to make the people who crap on him eat there words.


Worst fears :
- Piccolo will job in the tournament.
- Champa will the main villain.(I like him more than Beerus and i don't want him to be a villain)
- The animation will be worse or as worse as Ep5 and the other bad episodes.
- The fighting choreography in the tournament will be shit.
- Goku will solo the tournament just like he predicted.
- Goku and Vegeta will have a new form,but it's only a recolor again.
- Gohan will come out of nowhere and will be the the 5th fighter and become stronger or as strong as Goku/Vegeta.
- Goku/Vegeta will surpass Beerus/Champa/Whis/Vados in this arc.

[successoroffate]

Realistic hopes: New transformation for Vegeta before Goku, a new bad guy out of the blue in the middle of the tournament, More than a 100 episodes, New movie in 2017, Someone of the Z warriors dies for good.

Unrealistic "fangirling" all over the place if it happens: Gohan reaches a new form before Goku and Vegeta and last but not least, The SSJ 4 form gets some love and it's made canon with, I don't know...Duct tape.

[Zephyr]

Biggest fears:
- Plastic/shiny/off model artstyle will continue until the end
- Sumitomo's bland score will continue to the end
- The Goku-Vegeta show isn't going anywhere
- Goten and Trunks will never grow
- We'll never see past Uub

Although I've come to terms with every single one of those, so I'm not sure if the word "fears" still applies for me.

Biggest hopes:
- Moving past Uub
- I'm really hoping that the manga doesn't end up spoiling everything, and turns out the way the Resurrection F manga did, where we still have some major surprises in store
- More world-building

[Chuquita]

Biggest hopes?
-right now, show me who's idea it will be for Gokû and Vegeta to train 3 years together in the RoSaT.
-also to see some of that training and how they're gonna handle 3 years alone together
-I also want to see Vegeta take that offer of Cabba's and visit Planet Salad with Gokû
-I'm still holding out hope for Uni 6 to have a Princess Kakarrotto
-also want to see another arc after the tournament
-also holding out hope for that reality warping villain


Biggest fears
-That this tournament is the last arc and Super ends after it's over
-That the tournament doesn't get interrupted
-Dropping Gokû and Vegeta in favor of next gen characters
-the few good animators we have getting pulled for One Piece Film Gold
-7 minute recaps

[fadeddreams5]

Biggest hope:
- The series takes a break from the overwhelming supply of gags that plague every single ****ing scene and battle. I don't want a gritty series. I just want a return to the tone and balance between drama and comedy that the Piccolo-Cell sagas had (and even most of GT had). Is that too much to ask for? It encompasses the majority the franchise I think...

- A brand new villain that isn't another frenemy, food-lover, or Etemon-like fruitcake. Again, is this too much to ask for? No more Beerus, no more Champa, no more Abocado, no more Fat Buu. Give me an actual imposing villain that doesn't have some lame ass quirk! The Ginyu Force was funny in the Namek saga because they contrasted with the tone and mood set by the story, but they were also intimidating as a result. Nowadays, you expect every villain to be like them. Ugh...

- Universe 7 loses, leading to a dispute that they didn't have a 5th member, resulting in Gohan fighting and surprising everyone with his newfound strength. This isn't really a hope, tbh. Something like this is going to happen. It'd be more unpredictable if it didn't.

Biggest fear:
- That this series skips forward to EoZ territory. People have asked for a saga set in that timeline for over a decade, but it's as the old saying goes: be careful what you wish for. After enduring most of Super, I am certain nothing good would come of that. I'd prefer EoZ to forever linger in fans' imaginations, resulting in fan mangas and fanfics for years to come.

[Analytical Delusion]

Hopes:

• More world-building/exposition! The DB universe (er, multiverse now) hasn't felt this big since the beginning of Z. Hopefully it continues.

• Piccolo becomes relevant again. Toyotaro didn't touch on his training, but I hope he Namekian Book of Legends/Secrets was utilized.

• Well-choreographed fight scenes, with tons of hand-to-hand combat. I don't mind ki-based attacks, but they have to have some impact (a lot of the blasts in the FnF felt very heavy, which is a good thing).

• More tension! With the super dragon balls having absolute power, there is something at stake. No more undo buttons, no more fall-backs.

• EOZ retconned. I like Uub's design, but everything else is just unnecessary baggage at this point. Good enough time as any to write it out of the series' canon.

Fears:

• New Saiyan transformations will be introduced. SSG/SSGSS gave the series a clean reboot in that regard, hoping that's the end of be line for them.

• Gohan will receive some asspull power-up putting him at or above Goku's/Vegeta's level. Just wouldn't be believable at this point.

• More of Goten/Trunks. Yikes, please just leave them on the sidelines and completely out of the action already.

• Champa becoming the main villain. Wel, maybe if his wish comes into play I could buy it, but he doesn't strike fear or have a sense of mystery right now. Vados does to some extent. None of the fighters do.

• The final fighter from the main universe (Monaka I think?) stays as is. The introduction was incredibly disappointing for me. I didn't want a generic guy (like this "Hit" guy on the U6 side) but the character appearance makes it too hard to take anything happening as long as he's involved seriously. In general I don't care for transformations, but this guy needs one, BADLY.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Monaka's design has actually begun to grow on me.

[Ddd]

Hope? Frankly, nothing.

Fear. Hell yeah.

1. Intro of unlikable, obnoxious characters as Beerus, Champa etc

2. Tourney becomes week-of-the-monster routine as Shadow Dragon Arc in GT

3. ROFL & LOL-inducing wannabe "dramatic events"

4. Plot gets override with crude, juvenile humor as in BOG

If, only if Super's next part manages to entertain me inspite of ALL those fears, then I'll definetly change my mind of the show

But db is a show for little boys, what kind of humor do you expect?

[Dbzfan94]

Biggest Hopes
-Gohan and Piccolo get some relevancy
-Goten and Trunks age and get some well deserved spotlight without Gotenks.
-More baby Pan
-Super eventually goes past EoZ
-The stakes go high like in Saiyan-Cell Sagas
-God Ki in general is scrapped

Biggest Fears
-U6 becomes the Goku/Vegeta show like GT was.
-Goku and/or Vegeta sweep the tournament
-Super ends after U6 Saga
-Goten and Trunks get treated like they did in GT

[Lord Beerus]

Biggest Hopes:
- The Earthling cast gain more relevance
- The story moves beyond EOZ
- Pan, Oob and Bra become integral characters
- All of the Universes get explored
- More world building
- A well developed villain(s) is introduced
- No more transformation for the Saiyans
- Lunch and #17 make an appearance

Biggest Fears:
- Goku and Vegeta remain the only SSJB's
- Beerus and Whis get surpassed in strength by Goku and Vegeta
- Goten and Trunks never grow up
- The story ends before EOZ
- More old villains get revived
- Every top tier Z-Fighters that isn't Goku and Vegeta turn into a jobber or is forgotten
- Champa and Vados job out

[Chuquita]

I forgot about Lunch. I miss her. I'd still like to know how she ended up all Jekyll and Hyde (my current head-canon is it was a curse similar to those in Ranma½, only instead of cursed springs it was something else).

[Lord Beerus]

I forgot about Lunch. I miss her. I'd still like to know how she ended up all Jekyll and Hyde (my current head-canon is it was a curse similar to those in Ranma½, only instead of cursed springs it was something else).

The complete absence of Lunch is made even worse by the fact that Toriyama tantalising teased a relationship between Tien and Lunch in a interview not too long ago. Hell, Dragon Ball Forever goes even one step further and outright states they became a couple. And we'll most like never see any of this animated in any way. It just kills me. And don't even get me started on #17...

[Chuquita]

I forgot about Lunch. I miss her. I'd still like to know how she ended up all Jekyll and Hyde (my current head-canon is it was a curse similar to those in Ranma½, only instead of cursed springs it was something else).

The complete absence of Lunch is made even worse by the fact that Toriyama tantalising teased a relationship between Tenshinhan and Lunch in a interview not too long ago. Hell, Dragon Ball Forever goes even one step further and outright states they became a couple. And we'll most like never see any of this animated in any way. It just kills me. And don't even get me started on #17...

The fact that he created an entire character arc for 17 and it just hasn't shown up at all in Super is incredible to me. It was a genuinely interesting story (you could probably make a whole TV special about it with the amount of detail Toriyama came up with for him) I'm surprised he hasn't shown up yet in Super. Marron's got cousins now!
Is 17 that embarrassed that 18 will tease him or something if he reveals to her how he's become a good guy with a stable job and a family?

[Skar]

Some of these have already been mentioned but here are my biggest hopes and fears for Super.

Hopes:
-Gohan takes Buu's place in the tournament since Buu was disqualified.
-Goten and Trunks actually age and/or contribute something. I'm pretty sure Trunks is the same age or only one year younger than Future Trunks when Future Gohan died. Maybe he's supposed to get a growth spurt soon?
-More slice of life episodes and character interactions.
-Vegeta regaining his character development from the Buu saga. It kinda feels he jumps back and forth between how he was during the Cell and Buu sagas.
-Explaining the origins of Whis and Beerus. Do they have parents, were they born from a tree like the Kaioshin, or did they just kinda exist forever?
-Cameos of older characters.

Fears:
-Whis will take credit for teaching Goku and Vegeta more lessons that they've already learned or should've known already.
-Gohan continues to lose power to the point where he forgets how to fly and fire a basic ki blast.
-Really bad animation for a few episodes in a row.
-More palette swap transformations.

That's all I think of right now.

[Vijay]

Hope? Frankly, nothing.

Fear. Hell yeah.

1. Intro of unlikable, obnoxious characters as Beerus, Champa etc

2. Tourney becomes week-of-the-monster routine as Shadow Dragon Arc in GT

3. ROFL & LOL-inducing wannabe "dramatic events"

4. Plot gets override with crude, juvenile humor as in BOG

If, only if Super's next part manages to entertain me inspite of ALL those fears, then I'll definetly change my mind of the show

But db is a show for little boys, what kind of humor do you expect?

Thing is Super's joke = GT's joke

Humor done wrongly only irritates. DB & Z era humor are pure gold. Executed perfectly. Childish or not, they entertain

Somethin UNLIKE GT/Super

[Lord Beerus]

I forgot about Lunch. I miss her. I'd still like to know how she ended up all Jekyll and Hyde (my current head-canon is it was a curse similar to those in Ranma½, only instead of cursed springs it was something else).

The complete absence of Lunch is made even worse by the fact that Toriyama tantalising teased a relationship between Tenshinhan and Lunch in a interview not too long ago. Hell, Dragon Ball Forever goes even one step further and outright states they became a couple. And we'll most like never see any of this animated in any way. It just kills me. And don't even get me started on #17...

The fact that he created an entire character arc for 17 and it just hasn't shown up at all in Super is incredible to me. It was a genuinely interesting story (you could probably make a whole TV special about it with the amount of detail Toriyama came up with for him) I'm surprised he hasn't shown up yet in Super. Marron's got cousins now!
Is 17 that embarrassed that 18 will tease him or something if he reveals to her how he's become a good guy with a stable job and a family?

Oh man, an OVA surrounding #17's life after the Cell arc would be awesome. Toriyama tidbits about the character opened so many avenues in which he could explored in ways that were previously not possible. Same goes for Lunch, Tien, Yamcha, Mr Satan and Dr Gero. God, there are so many intriguing stories just begging to told and expanded on but Toei doesn't seem interested. It's so frustrating.