"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Neon Z]

I kinda agree with what you said about Oob, he had potential to be one of the main leads in GT after EoZ, but what if he wasn't just popular enough? Wasn't that the reason why Goku was the one to defeat Majin Boo instead of Gotenks or Gohan?

Uub was never part of GT's main cast though. They immediately discarded him a few minutes into the first episode, before giving him a single token episode in the Baby Saga, and after that he was pretty much forgotten again (they seemingly didn't even remember how strong they had made him in the Baby Saga while writing his appearances in the Super 17 and Omega Shenlong arc, where he was reduced to Goten/Trunks level or even bellow that).

[Skar]

All that jazz about Goten, Trunks, and Gohan becoming the next generation during the Buu saga has been completely forgotten.

Regarding this, in the epilogue of the original series we're sorta, kinda shows how the new generation doesn't really care about the martial arts lifestyle , don't train. Gohan isn't interested in the tournament, Goten and Trunks didn't want to participate. Pan is the only exception, but then again Goten and Trunks were also enthusiastic about fighting when they were kids. So, technically, if they keep going this route they wouldn't be wrong.

Yeah that's true. I guess what I meant is to have them participate more in Super and then show them transition to the way they were at the End of Z. They don't have to be interested in fighting to at least keep up their training in order to protect the Earth.

For the next generation it seems that only Uub and Pan would be left. They could also have Marron if they want to include a human character. I still think that a direct sequel would be difficult. If they start off with weaker villains to challenge the kids then fans will probably say "What? These villains are a joke. There's no suspense if Goku and Vegeta could step in at any second and save everyone!". If they have a villain stronger than the last one in Super then Goku, Vegeta, and all the other God tier allies have to get involved since said villain would likely be a major threat to the multiverse. Either the villain is taken out by the previous generation heroes or Pan and Uub surpass everyone in order to remain the main heroes.

[kinisking]

Damn people have really started to discredit gohan just because an arc or two. Really hope the next arcs redeem him
Edit: Before people misunderstand, I'm not saying he should be the main character lol. Just saying he's not the loser some people think he is

[Zelvin]

Over time I can see new characters coming in to replace the old. Krillin has already practically removed himself from the group. He has a wife, kid and a job. The bit about him having Goku punch him after the Beerus fight was just a confirmation for himself that Goku is at a level he could never reach, and that he decided to leave the big dangers in Goku's hands so he could semi-retire and be with his family. And that was a really good way to kinda have Krillin back off the fighting stuff. He'd still be around, but not as a major player because of his own personal reasons.

We could have similar things happen. Yamcha could finally get a woman in his life or he and Tien could decide that, like Krillin, that no matter how hard they worked they'd never catch up to the likes of Goku, and could decide to go off and start up their own martial arts school so that their teachings will continue on in the world. Having them separate to pursue these goals is a nice way to remove them from the main story without just forgetting they exist. Which creates room for new characters to be brought in and other existing ones to have more time to develop without getting crowded.

Unfortunately, Goten and Trunks do suffer from just being giddier, lightweight versions of their fathers. And this could be resolved by having a side-story or another series focusing just on these other characters who weren't given time to develop previously. Once Goku and Vegeta aren't the main focus, you have a huge power vacuum for a MC. Which could give Gohan the chance to finally get out of his slump, or permit Goten, Trunks and maybe even Buu to go off on their own separate adventure. Or maybe doing something to kick start the Majin race, like we see in DBO, Heroes and Xenoverse.

I feel one of the most frustrating things about the series itself is how much the Fans want. Because there is so many things to explore, so many things that need explaining, and so many opportunities to exploit that to not see them take these chances and build them up in the story is frustrating to the fans who want to see so much more from the franchise.

[dbzfan7]

Over time I can see new characters coming in to replace the old. Krillin has already practically removed himself from the group. He has a wife, kid and a job. The bit about him having Goku punch him after the Beerus fight was just a confirmation for himself that Goku is at a level he could never reach, and that he decided to leave the big dangers in Goku's hands so he could semi-retire and be with his family. And that was a really good way to kinda have Krillin back off the fighting stuff. He'd still be around, but not as a major player because of his own personal reasons.

We could have similar things happen. Yamcha could finally get a woman in his life or he and Tenshinhan could decide that, like Krillin, that no matter how hard they worked they'd never catch up to the likes of Goku, and could decide to go off and start up their own martial arts school so that their teachings will continue on in the world. Having them separate to pursue these goals is a nice way to remove them from the main story without just forgetting they exist. Which creates room for new characters to be brought in and other existing ones to have more time to develop without getting crowded.

Unfortunately, Goten and Trunks do suffer from just being giddier, lightweight versions of their fathers. And this could be resolved by having a side-story or another series focusing just on these other characters who weren't given time to develop previously.

This is what aggravates me to no end. Gives these characters some fucking closure, and then remove them. We can occasionally see them now and then, but now they're just only good for standing around and saying "Gee willikers Goku has one massive penis, look how huge it is." I didn't mind it when they were still relevant and useful, but now that they're not, it's just a tease. Oh hey look at all the characters you loved from back then, isn't it great they're here...and totally superfluous? It's even worse when the opening and closing animations are a big lie since that focuses on a bigger cast, when the reality is quite the opposite. The only accurate thing about them is Goku and Vegeta's aura obnoxiously covering up everyone behind them, as if it doesn't matter who they are. I personally am of the opinion of if you don't have any real meaningful way to continue to develop or put some relevance on characters, there is no point in using them. If they're stories are complete, then have them make room for new characters to develop.

[Mnich]

GT is 20 years old. It's not that relevant to today's audience outside of Heroes. Most people watching TV in Japan probably never seen GT because it came out before they were born or didn't bother watch it.

I see this statement for a second or even third time on this forum. With all respect, how is it possible that you write such a bull*hit? It's hilarious.

[Araki]

GT is like a small elephant in the room. It's there, but it obviously doesn't fit with Super/BoG/RoF, and even Toriyama went out of his way to call it a spin-off...still i doubt Toei will ever do anything that discredits it completely, like having a timeskip for a new story set in the same time period. They may ignore it all they want, but would they want to overwrite something that still makes them some money (even if eventually)?

[Neon Z]

GT's "time period" isn't really relevant for anything besides GT itself though. The way they're treating GT in Super, it seems like they could have a time skip to 3 years after Z or 7 years after Z and ignore GT just fine, without ever going out of their way to "displace" it. If all the plotholes that Super's existence adds to it isn't a problem, I don't see how that'd be any different.

Yeah that's true. I guess what I meant is to have them participate more in Super and then show them transition to the way they were at the End of Z. They don't have to be interested in fighting to at least keep up their training in order to protect the Earth.

For the next generation it seems that only Uub and Pan would be left. They could also have Marron if they want to include a human character. I still think that a direct sequel would be difficult. If they start off with weaker villains to challenge the kids then fans will probably say "What? These villains are a joke. There's no suspense if Goku and Vegeta could step in at any second and save everyone!". If they have a villain stronger than the last one in Super then Goku, Vegeta, and all the other God tier allies have to get involved since said villain would likely be a major threat to the multiverse. Either the villain is taken out by the previous generation heroes or Pan and Uub surpass everyone in order to remain the main heroes.

I don't think they'd need to take the center stage just to be relevant in some way. Look at Gohan. It isn't until the Cell Saga's ending that he surpasses Goku, but he's still pretty relevant various times through the Saiyan, Freeza and the beginning of the Cell Saga (although at this point Gohan becomes completely irrelevant for a while and only returns to the spotlight with the Cell Games). Even Goku himself wasn't the strongest in the (known) world until the 22nd Budokai.

[Araki]

GT's "time period" isn't really relevant for anything besides GT itself though. The way they're treating GT in Super, it seems like they could have a time skip to 3 years after Z or 7 years after Z and ignore GT just fine. If all the plotholes that Super's existence adds to it isn't a problem, I don't see how that'd be any different.

I think with the plot holes, people can still try to come up with terrible excuses to fix them ("they lost the God powers!", "Kibitoshin had to fuse again!", etc)..Japanese fanbases are generally less bothered by continuity issues like those. But once it steps into GT territory, like, say, giving the Pan, Bra and Uub we saw completely different personalities (or even designs), maybe it could be seen a different matter, as there would be no discussion anymore that GT doesn't exist.

[Chuquita]

I think GT is potentially one of the reasons Super is holding back from that time period. GT currently monopolizes that immediate post-Z era and Shueisha could be wary of doing anything else set in that time period because then they'd have to decide to fully side line the events of GT or to stick with them.

[Hellspawn28]

I wonder if Dragon Ball could pull off a Superman Returns if we ever go beyond end of DBZ by moving GT to another continuity?

GT is 20 years old. It's not that relevant to today's audience outside of Heroes. Most people watching TV in Japan probably never seen GT because it came out before they were born or didn't bother watch it.

I see this statement for a second or even third time on this forum. With all respect, how is it possible that you write such a bull*hit? It's hilarious.

How so? GT is a old show and how many people outside of the hardcore fanbase still remembers it? Z is still remember over the years because it's the most popular out of three shows before Super. The original DB show is still remember today because it came out first. The show is not relevant with today's audience outside the video games. Which is why I think continuity issues is not really a major issue with Toei, Shueisha and Toriyama.

[Michsi]

Wasn't there a statement , either from Toriyama or someone from the staff, mentioning GT and how it was implied that they weren't going to take it much into account? I might be remembering something wrong here though.....

[Sodhi]

Poster for Blu ray Box set #2 is out.

[FortuneSSJ]

Poster for Blu ray Box set #2 is out.

Since when Beerus has green pants?!

[TheDevilsCorpse]

It's not a poster. Its a portion of that special newspaper that was released last weekend. It seems most people are just now catching on that the advertisement was on there.

Since when Beerus has green pants?!

It's not green. Just looks that way because of the illumination on the black and yellow, being surrounded by just the slight twinge of blue from the pants.

[FortuneSSJ]

Oh, I see.

Seems like they will keep the same pattern and each release will have one DB on the cover.
By that logic if things go well, Super will have at least 84 episodes since each home release have 12 episodes.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Damn people have really started to discredit gohan just because an arc or two. Really hope the next arcs redeem him
Edit: Before people misunderstand, I'm not saying he should be the main character lol. Just saying he's not the loser some people think he is

It's not the fans that make Gohan sound like a joke, it's the series itself that make him look like a joke. In Beerus arc, he was the strongest fighter until Vegeta got angry, and he was easily defeated by Beerus. In Golden Freeza arc, he got weaker, and he was again easily defeated by First Form Freeza. In Champa arc, he doesn't even participate in the tournament because Goku acknowledges him as useless, and he doesn't even appear with the rest of the gang.

I hope he will make a surprise appearance with a big upgrade later in Champa arc, but so far he is treated like a joke.

[alakazam^]

It's not the fans that make Gohan sound like a joke, it's the series itself that make him look like a joke. In Beerus arc, he was the strongest fighter until Vegeta got angry, and he was easily defeated by Beerus. In Golden Freeza arc, he got weaker, and he was again easily defeated by First Form Freeza. In Champa arc, he doesn't even participate in the tournament because Goku acknowledges him as useless, and he doesn't even appear with the rest of the gang.

I hope he will make a surprise appearance with a big upgrade later in Champa arc, but so far he is treated like a joke.

The series isn't treating him as a joke, the fans are. They see what they want to see. No one in-universe is making fun of him.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The series isn't treating him as a joke, the fans are. They see what they want to see. No one in-universe is making fun of him.

Goku doesn't exactly sound proud of Gohan as a fighter...

Vegeta: “What about Gohan? Frankly, he’s probably the one with the highest potential.”
Goku: “No way! He does nothin’ but study all the time. He can’t even find his dougi anymore!”

Goku: “Hey Videl, where’s Gohan?”
Videl: “There was some important academic conference today, so he couldn’t come.”
Goku: “Geez, that guy…”

[Hellspawn28]

Poster for Blu ray Box set #2 is out.

If Funimation decides to do Season Set releases for Super when Super gets dub over here. I think that image of Beerus would be perfect for "Dragon Ball Super Season 1".