"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Noah]

You guys would like if somehow Gohan surpass both Goku and Vegeta, thus becoming a hotshot again?

If this requieres Gohan to go the God route then, no, I don't want him to become stronger.

Me neither, even though I'm a fan of his, I think Gohan days of being the strongest are over... Well, they could make him stronger as he was in his prime, but that's it. Just don't want to see him treated like a mere measure stick anymore.

[dbzfan7]

I haven't been around for a bit. Did we get the update of what the next episode will contain?

[Sandubadear]

I haven't been around for a bit. Did we get the update of what the next episode will contain?

Goku and Vegeta go find the other team members. They first go invite Majin Boo but...

Kuririn thinks they want to have a picnic in the great Universe but then Goku tells him the real reason and so he ends up helping them find the other members.

[dbzfan7]

I haven't been around for a bit. Did we get the update of what the next episode will contain?

Goku and Vegeta go find the other team members. They first go invite Majin Boo but...

Kuririn thinks they want to have a picnic in the great Universe but then Goku tells him the real reason and so he ends up helping them find the other members.

I still hope we get to have that picnic anyways with Vegeta as the cook......but they'd have Beerus crash it and probably ruin the fun.

[sailorspazz]

Is "great universe" a place or is it Kuririn misunderstanding a word?

The idea of Gokû and Vegeta planning a picnic is great though. XD Now I wish that actually would happen .

Yes, I think it's Kuririn misunderstanding words...maybe he just overheard Gokuu and Vegeta talking and didn't catch exactly what they said? Or Gokuu called him and the call was breaking up? Anyway, it makes sense to think that he misheard something, since 第 and 大 are both pronounced as "dai", so he might've heard them say something about 第7宇宙 (Universe 7) or something, and mistook it for 大宇宙 (great universe). And also somehow fucked up hearing "kakutou shiai" (martial arts match) as "picnic", I guess...harder to explain how he could've misinterpreted it into that, lol

[alakazam^]

Is "great universe" a place or is it Kuririn misunderstanding a word?

The idea of Gokû and Vegeta planning a picnic is great though. XD Now I wish that actually would happen .

Yes, I think it's Kuririn misunderstanding words...maybe he just overheard Gokuu and Vegeta talking and didn't catch exactly what they said? Or Gokuu called him and the call was breaking up? Anyway, it makes sense to think that he misheard something, since 第 and 大 are both pronounced as "dai", so he might've heard them say something about 第7宇宙 (Universe 7) or something, and mistook it for 大宇宙 (great universe). And also somehow fucked up hearing "kakutou shiai" (martial arts match) as "picnic", I guess...harder to explain how he could've misinterpreted it into that, lol

Maybe "ni iku" lol.

[Skar]

Like I said, we can only go off of what we know about the industry in general. Direct comments about Dragon Ball Super have only been that the schedule is bad.

Well we also have Toriyama's comment but that's too vague to come to any conclusion from it. I was hoping we had information that was more specific than that. If you said the budget wasn't the problem, I assumed there was actual evidence that implied that. In most cases, scheduling or quality issues are caused by there being not enough capital. To assume that there just aren't enough available animators, we need an actual evidence that Toei is making an effort to hire a larger staff but they can't find it.

Dragon Ball Super is a long-running series. It's not going to be a priority for a company that has other projects and ties it needs to maintain, especially when it's audience with neither buy the home videos

That does imply budget issues because they're choosing not to make it a priority. That would be like Disney not putting enough resources into their video game division. It's not that they don't have enough to higher a larger staff or increase it's budget, it's because that division is lower on their priority list than Star Wars or Marvel for example.

Could you show how much each Toei anime sells for the home release? I looked at their financial report and fiscal year 2015 total DVD sales only accounted for about 5% of total net sales but they didn't divide it by franchise. DVD sales have been declining for many years so it doesn't like something that would influence their priorities. The only segments that were broken down by franchise were domestic licensing, film, and overseas licensing. In 2015, Dragonball was third in domestic licensing and second in the other two categories. What do you think Toei's list of priorities would be if Dragonball is so far down? Would it be One Piece, Pretty Cure, Saint Seiya, and finally Dragonball or would it be second or third place?

nor expect the overall product to be high-quality.

Is there honestly any way to know this for sure? I watch Dragonball Super because I'm a long time fan of the series. That's the same reason why I watch all the filler and fluctuating animation in the original. I enjoyed it but of course animation that's a little more consistent would increase a fan's overall enjoyment of the series. It would definitely influence my decision to buy the home release. Fans want to their favorite series to look good and they only accept it being bad if that's all they're being offered. It doesn't have to be a masterpiece but you at least want to feel that the studio cares about the product it's releasing. If fans didn't expect the overall product to be good quality then that mean they would buy everything Dragonball-related. If we consider the video games, the ones with the bad reviews didn't sell as well as the higher rated games. If they release a poorly made game with wonky controls or something it feels like they're basically saying "hey ya know we could try to make it better but a lot of you fools will buy it anyway so we won't bother this time".

[Basaku]

It's very simple. One Piece and DB make approx. 25%+ each of Toei's $$$. The fact the company still goes cheap on 2 properties that bring over half of the company's revenue only says how horribly it is managed. You won't see Disney going cheap on Marvel or Star Wars.

[Lord Beerus]

It's very simple. One Piece and DB make approx. 25%+ each of Toei's $$$. The fact the company still goes cheap on 2 properties that bring over half of the company's revenue only says how horribly it is managed. You won't see Disney going cheap on Marvel or Star Wars.

That's not the case at all. Most of Toei's funding comes from the profit in merchandise sales that Bandai rake in every year. And live action series such as Super Sentai/Power Rangers and Kamen Rider make way more cash for Bandai than Dragon Ball and One Piece do. And a portion of that profit goes back to Toei Toei to produce more shows.

[Chuquita]

I don't know if anyone else here saw it, but the animation during the battle between Cure Flora and Close in ep 50 of Toei's Go! Princess Precure was incredible.
Most of the top row here is it: https://sakuga.yshi.org/post?tags=go!_princess_precure

If Super could at some point in time pull off something like that during a battle it'd be something else.

[Araki]

You won't see Disney going cheap on Marvel or Star Wars.

Well, one of the supposed reasons Kevin Feige was eager to cut ties with Marvel's CEO Ike Perlmutter was because Ike is infamously frugal and kept budgets on a tight leash. Businessmen can be like that.

But like Jacob explained, that's not what Toei does. They don't prioritize anything, not intentionally.
Since they usually only work with long running shows, and a bunch at the same time, people tend to think they're cheap, when in fact they're spending more money making anime and hiring people than any other studio. And their short shows, like Kyousougiga, Mononoke or Hakaba Kitaro, are a good example of what they can do under different circumstances.

[Lord Beerus]

I don't know if anyone else here saw it, but the animation during the battle between Cure Flora and Close in ep 50 of Toei's Go! Princess Precure was incredible.
Most of the top row here is it: https://sakuga.yshi.org/post?tags=go!_princess_precure

If Super could at some point in time pull off something like that during a battle it'd be something else.

And all the beautiful animation isn't down to budget at all. It's just a case of talented animators be able to express themselves and put extra effort into animating a show based on their favourite genre: magical girl anime.

[Araki]

And live action series such as Super Sentai/Power Rangers and Kamen Rider make way more cash for Bandai than Dragon Ball and One Piece do.

That's not exactly true...

And all the beautiful animation isn't down to budget at all. It's just a case of talented animators be able to express themselves and put extra effort into animating a show based on their favourite genre: magical girl anime.

Yeah, Toei itself has some pretty great animators under their belt...but they'll work where they want.

[Noah]

And all the beautiful animation isn't down to budget at all. It's just a case of talented animators be able to express themselves and put extra effort into animating a show based on their favourite genre: magical girl anime.

Exactly. How unfortunate for us to not have the same passionate animators with the series.

[Chuquita]

I don't know if anyone else here saw it, but the animation during the battle between Cure Flora and Close in ep 50 of Toei's Go! Princess Precure was incredible.
Most of the top row here is it: https://sakuga.yshi.org/post?tags=go!_princess_precure

If Super could at some point in time pull off something like that during a battle it'd be something else.

And all the beautiful animation isn't down to budget at all. It's just a case of talented animators be able to express themselves and put extra effort into animating a show based on their favourite genre: magical girl anime.

It makes me wish Champa's team had a magical girl on it; maybe Super could've convinced some of those talented animators to help out.

[Skar]

That's not the case at all. Most of Toei's funding comes from the profit in merchandise sales that Bandai rake in every year. And live action series such as Super Sentai/Power Rangers and Kamen Rider make way more cash for Bandai than Dragon Ball and One Piece do. And a portion of that profit goes back to Toei Toei to produce more shows.

Could we please try to find sources for information like this? So far a lot of it turned out to be assumptions based on the industry in general and not specific information about Toei or DBS. Could you provide a link to a site explaining that most of Toei's funding comes from Bandai? It's hard to know how true this is without an actual source. According to Bandai's own financial reports, Dragonball and One Piece were the 3rd and 4th most profitable franchises and the top two coming from Toei. If what you're saying is true then One Piece and Dragonball would be Bandai's main priority when dealing with Toei for that year. What percentage of Bandai's profit goes to Toei and is greater than the revenue Toei makes from it's own products?

[Lord Beerus]

And live action series such as Super Sentai/Power Rangers and Kamen Rider make way more cash for Bandai than Dragon Ball and One Piece do.

That's not exactly true...

FY2014.3
Full Year
Kamen Rider - 30.7 Billion Yen
One Piece - 26.8 Billion Yen
Power Rangers - 25.3 Billion Yen
Dragon Ball - 11.4 Billion Yen

FY2015.3
Full Year
Kamen Rider - 26.2 Billion Yen
One Piece - 24.6 Billion Yen
Power Rangers - 23.2 Billion Yen
Dragon Ball - 19.4 Billion Yen

Okay, I'll admit I lowballed One Piece but my point still stands for Dragon Ball. And if we're taking into consideration Toys and Hobby Business sales, it's not even close. It's only recently that Dragon Ball has been outperforming the some of the usual heavy hitters for Bandai.

[JulieYBM]

The use of multiple animation supervisors and so many sub-contracting studios on a single episode actually signifies a lot of money is being spent of the show. Remember, Seed Destiny cost so much because Fukuda and his wife kept being late with the scripts, so the production was rushed.

[Lord Beerus]

That's not the case at all. Most of Toei's funding comes from the profit in merchandise sales that Bandai rake in every year. And live action series such as Super Sentai/Power Rangers and Kamen Rider make way more cash for Bandai than Dragon Ball and One Piece do. And a portion of that profit goes back to Toei Toei to produce more shows.

Could we please try to find sources for information like this? So far a lot of it turned out to be assumptions based on the industry in general and not specific information about Toei or DBS. Could you provide a link to a site explaining that most of Toei's funding comes from Bandai? It's hard to know how true this is without an actual source. According to Bandai's own financial reports, Dragonball and One Piece were the 3rd and 4th most profitable franchises and the top two coming from Toei. If what you're saying is true then One Piece and Dragonball would be Bandai's main priority when dealing with Toei for that year. What percentage of Bandai's profit goes to Toei and is greater than the revenue Toei makes from it's own products?

I think you'll find this article very informative about the production process of anime as a whole.

[Skar]

That's not the case at all. Most of Toei's funding comes from the profit in merchandise sales that Bandai rake in every year. And live action series such as Super Sentai/Power Rangers and Kamen Rider make way more cash for Bandai than Dragon Ball and One Piece do. And a portion of that profit goes back to Toei Toei to produce more shows.

Could we please try to find sources for information like this? So far a lot of it turned out to be assumptions based on the industry in general and not specific information about Toei or DBS. Could you provide a link to a site explaining that most of Toei's funding comes from Bandai? It's hard to know how true this is without an actual source. According to Bandai's own financial reports, Dragonball and One Piece were the 3rd and 4th most profitable franchises and the top two coming from Toei. If what you're saying is true then One Piece and Dragonball would be Bandai's main priority when dealing with Toei for that year. What percentage of Bandai's profit goes to Toei and is greater than the revenue Toei makes from it's own products?

I think you'll find this article very informative about the production process of anime as a whole.

I've read this article before but again it's about the industry in general. I keep hearing all this Toei specific information but every time I ask for a source all I get is something about the entire industry. Literally the specific source given was an animator at Toei complaining about scheduling. No evidence so far about the budget or anything else. I can't tell how much of this information is based on rumors or actual documented facts. When we discuss the actual numbers then we just go to Toei's and Bandai's website to see their financial report. We have a source to verify this information. You said that most of Toei's funding comes from the profit in merchandise sales from Bandai. You said "that's not the case at all" which implies you are certain of this information. Please show me where this specific information was obtained from or if it's just your opinion and what you're basing it on.