900 Minutes of Uncut Action, DBZ Season 1 Arrives

Tenken · Post by **Tenken** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:52 pm

I'm not speaking to anyone who is happy for this release, but...

if you don't like what FUNi is doing, DO NOT buy this shit. They aren't going to listen to our mouths, they are going to listen to our wallets. If we are going to buy it anyways, why should they change a damn thing?

nathantheguitarist · Post by **nathantheguitarist** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:53 pm

Mystery Person X wrote:The only part that sounds wrong is the 5.1 mix for the dub music. It's well established that Faulconer didn't do the music for the UUE dub of episodes 1-67, so there's no version of those episodes that uses his music.

The default audio track will be 5.1 English + Japanese music for the entire series.

Exactly, but he didn't know that.

He knew that there was the Dub with Japanese BGM, but the thing is that he thought that the Dub with Dub music was being mixed into 5.1.

Busaiku · Post by **Busaiku** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:55 pm

Unfortunately, I think FUNimation will probably continue this, seeing as casual fans of the show may pick it up for the price. Even BestBuy is selling it for about $35, which isn't that much more than the MSRP of a single R1 anime DVD.
Simply because of the cheap price, it probably will sell.
And I really doubt this cost FUNimation much at all to produce, so they probably won't even need to ship out all too many to make back the income spent.
Heck, they're probably profiting off of the 1st few shipments.

And there are people like myself who probably are not eager enough to wait for FUNimation's next effort of milking their consumers and just want the series for a relatively cheap price, despite the drawbacks.
And there are those that will purchase just out of sheer curiosity or for comparisons, or whatever.

Point is, every sale is helping FUNimation.

Mystery Person X · Post by **Mystery Person X** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:55 pm

nathantheguitarist wrote:He knew that there was the Dub with Japanese BGM, but the thing is that he thought that the Dub with Dub music was being mixed into 5.1.

So... Like I said then?

nathantheguitarist · Post by **nathantheguitarist** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:05 pm

Something I'd like to point out...

This same thing happened with the Back to the Future Trilogy's DVD release.

Movies 2 and 3 were cropped wrong, and later on, the company who put out the set started selling the set with the issue fixed, and also offered replacement discs for the people who bought the old set.

Does anyone think this is likely to happen with FUNi?

Mystery Person X wrote:So... Like I said then?

Sure

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:08 pm

nathantheguitarist wrote:Something I'd like to point out...

This same thing happened with the Back to the Future Trilogy's DVD release.

Movies 2 and 3 were cropped wrong, and later on, the company who put out the set started selling the set with the issue fixed, and also offered replacement discs for the people who bought the old set.

Does anyone think this is likely to happen with FUNi?

Hell no! FUNimation will never admit they made a mistake. They'll just cover it up, and shovel some of their marketing tactics on it.

nathantheguitarist · Post by **nathantheguitarist** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:11 pm

Damn... so...? What must we do, we have to like, call their offices and haggle them... or people who live in Texas or can got o Texas should egg and tp their buildings... (ok, enough being juvenile)

But really, there has to be something to do, but obviously a petition won't work...

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:15 pm

nathantheguitarist wrote:Damn... so...? What must we do, we have to like, call their offices and haggle them... or people who live in Texas or can got o Texas should egg and tp their buildings... (ok, enough being juvenile)

But really, there has to be something to do, but obviously a petition won't work...

I guess we just have to speak with our wallets. Though for some of us, this is the easiest way to get the series.

Lavender Saiyan · Post by **Lavender Saiyan** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:18 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
Lavender Saiyan wrote:So what's the deal with the color? Is it truley like the Original Masters? Or did they still edit stuff?
They toyed with it. It looks like they played with the color temperature and a few other things, aside from the cheap and nasty DVNR (digital video noise reduction).

-Corey

That's unfortunate. Too bad no one has caps from the Original Pre-Dragon Box footage to compare to.

Mystery Person X · Post by **Mystery Person X** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:20 pm

The thing is, FUNimation are already well aware of what we think about this issue (as shown by them trying to obscure it on the packaging and in all their advertising). The screenshots and video clips that have and will become available now that the set is out will fuel another round of complaining, but it all only confirms what both we and FUNi already know.

So if FUNi have decided to press ahead with these releases regardless, I doubt a petition will help (especially since online petitions are pretty worthless anyway). All that will change their mind are sales so low that they might as well just give this entire new transfer/remastering project up for dead and start from scratch.

And honestly, since it sounds like even the most casual viewer with no prior knowledge can notice that something is wrong, it wouldn't surprise me if the sales drop consideribly after the first volume, and even more after the second (when they lose all the people who are buying the first two boxes just because it's the only way to get these episodes "uncut"). This is being optimistic though.

Tenken · Post by **Tenken** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:22 pm

SatoSky wrote: I guess we just have to speak with our wallets. Though for some of us, this is the easiest way to get the series.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to have 39 episodes for $35 (best buy price). However, I wouldn't pay 35 for shit. This is no different. If you sprinkle sugar (remaster, eng audio w/ japanese sdtk) on shit (cropping, lies, and false advertising), it will still taste like shit.

Err, I said I wouldn't say anything else... >_>

I repeat: If you are unhappy about this, DON'T BUY IT. Write funimation a letter, an email. Email the letter to me and I'll post it on my site. I'm working on an article for digg.com. That's our best ticket for getting widespread concern over this. Diggers are ruthless, heh.

KinoFourpaws · Post by **KinoFourpaws** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:22 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:Hm...I have a question:

Framing the 4:3 masters is a variable. It's not always smack in the middle of the film master, as shown by FUNi themselves with the Kaio and Gregory shots. Now, in my mind, that's something that takes time and time = money of course.

Is it possible that FUNi ordered film masters thinking they'd just get a 4:3 image and ended up with the full film masters and panicked/cut corners by letterboxing the whole thing to save time and make the remastering process more automated?

Someone who is more knowledgable about the processes involved in animation feel free to chip in. I may be way out there, but I think it's a feasible theory.

-Corey

Out there, but certainly possible. It may very well be that FUNi didn't intend to screw this over like people say they did, but they ended up working with what they had. I really hope that this widescreen issue does have some kind of reasonable explanation behind it...

Oh, and about the booklet being screwed up... I don't see why people are making such a fuss about this. This is sort of like when I bought the Nightmare Before Christmas soundtrack and found the booklet with it had a bunch of typos in its lyrics. I was put off by it, sure, but I'm not about to throw the whole thing away just because of that. Really, mistakes in DVD packages happen all the time; and unless you're buying the set just because you want to see that timeline, I don't see how it should put you off too much. (Who really cares about a damned timeline not having to do with the actual series?)

What I'm more worried about are the lack of bonus features... you'd think that with, like, six discs, they'd be able to dedicate one of them (or at least part of the last one) with more than just a paltry few trailers and such. Even the Fullmetal Alchemist movie has a lot more bonus features than that...

BrollysKin · Post by **BrollysKin** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:26 pm

I just cancelled less than a minute ago. Fuck this man. I really wanted to see some good old DBZ. But this is unacceptable.

Berserk · Post by **Berserk** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:27 pm

SatoSky wrote:
nathantheguitarist wrote:Something I'd like to point out...

This same thing happened with the Back to the Future Trilogy's DVD release.

Movies 2 and 3 were cropped wrong, and later on, the company who put out the set started selling the set with the issue fixed, and also offered replacement discs for the people who bought the old set.

Does anyone think this is likely to happen with FUNi?
Hell no! FUNimation will never admit they made a mistake. They'll just cover it up, and shovel some of their marketing tactics on it.

yeah they'll end up using Christopher Sabat, the official bitch of FUNI in my eye's...plus Brian Drummond did a hell of a lot better voice for Vegeta than Sabat did.

BrollysKin · Post by **BrollysKin** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:27 pm

Work on your grammar/spelling.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:30 pm

Berserk wrote:yeah like crisitan sabat the official bitch of FUNI in my eye's, plus Brian Frummond did a hell of a lot better voice for Vegeta that sabat did.

Huh? Christopher Sabat had absolutely nothing to do with producing the DVD's. And Drummond is out of the picture now, so what does that have to do with anything?

Berserk · Post by **Berserk** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:32 pm

Well I'm responding to the fact that Sabat always markets DBZ through FUNI and that he will eventually in a trailer or preview or something try and explain what the fuck happend

and I edited my other post I was in a rush dont have a heart attack

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:34 pm

Berserk wrote:Well I'm responding to the fact that Sabat always markets DBZ through FUNI and that he will eventually in a trailer or preview or something try and explain what the fuck happend

and I edited my other post I was in a rush dont have a heart attack

What's wrong with Sabat trying to promote a product that he will make money off of?

Berserk · Post by **Berserk** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:35 pm

Well when its full of shit and lies then I have a problem with it, plus I brought up Brian because I was on the subject of Vegeta's voice over

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:38 pm

Berserk wrote:Well when its full of shit and lies then I have a problem with it, plus I brought up Brian because I was on the subject of Vegeta's voice over

Well personally I don't hold anything against Sabat for promoting lies and such. Everyone has to eat a little shit once in a while, and from what I hear VA's don't really make that much money. So, if it helps him get some money off them DVD sales, I'm happy for him.

This thread is being de-railed off topic, so yea... widescreen? WTF?