Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.

Moderators: Kanzenshuu Staff, General Help

User avatar
Lord Beerus
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 21422
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:20 pm
Location: A temple on a giant tree
Contact:

Re: Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #29]

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:03 pm

Noah wrote:Hey, Ajay all pics in the first page are now broken because of that imgur issue, I would recommend you to post them at postimage
Alternatively you can quote you own images and they should show up just fine.

User avatar
Ajay
Moderator
Posts: 6214
Joined: Sun May 26, 2013 6:15 pm
Location: Surrey, UK
Contact:

Re: Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #29]

Post by Ajay » Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:35 pm

Noah wrote:Hey, Ajay all pics in the first page are now broken because of that imgur issue, I would recommend you to post them at postimage
I... I know. There's big red text saying as much.
Follow me on Twitter for countless shitposts.

Deadtuber.

User avatar
Basaku
I Live Here
Posts: 2022
Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:00 pm
Location: Planet of the Apes

Re: Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #29]

Post by Basaku » Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:17 pm

What's going on with imgur? Used to work flawlessly, now nothing shows when hotlinked?

User avatar
Ajay
Moderator
Posts: 6214
Joined: Sun May 26, 2013 6:15 pm
Location: Surrey, UK
Contact:

Re: Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #29]

Post by Ajay » Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:33 pm

Basaku wrote:What's going on with imgur? Used to work flawlessly, now nothing shows when hotlinked?
See this thread: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 8#p1044855

Specifically, the last two posts.
Follow me on Twitter for countless shitposts.

Deadtuber.

User avatar
The Doc
Not-So-Newbie
Posts: 77
Joined: Sun Oct 31, 2010 8:24 pm
Contact:

Re: Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #29]

Post by The Doc » Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:50 pm

Just popped into this thread to check something, and it looks like all the imgur embeds are suddenly working again?

User avatar
Ajay
Moderator
Posts: 6214
Joined: Sun May 26, 2013 6:15 pm
Location: Surrey, UK
Contact:

Re: Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #29]

Post by Ajay » Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:17 pm

Seems Imgur fixed itself.

Episode 30:
Animation Supervisor:
Masahiro Shimanuki

Key Animators:
Nashizawa Takashi, Shimanuki Masahiro, Tsuji Miyako, Matsumoto Katsuji, TAP

Looking at this, it doesn't seem like Shimanuki touched the first half of the episode at all. Unsurprisingly, really. Still, it's interesting to see the style shift so drastically in the second half. I feel like he's starting to get back into drawing Dragon Ball a little now. Although he still has a major issue drawing Vegeta with a wide face. There's a pretty dramatic increase in quality starting from his 20, and hitting its highest in 25. Hope it continues.
Last edited by Ajay on Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Follow me on Twitter for countless shitposts.

Deadtuber.

User avatar
Bansho64
I Live Here
Posts: 2036
Joined: Fri Dec 25, 2015 12:59 am

Re: Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #29]

Post by Bansho64 » Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:19 pm

Ajay wrote:Seems Imgur fixed itself.

Episode 30:
Animation Supervisor:
Masahiro Shimanuki

Key Animators:
TBC

Looking at this, it doesn't seem like Shimanuki touched the first half of the episode at all. Unsurprisingly, really. Still, it's interesting to see the style shift so drastically in the second half. I feel like he's starting to get back into drawing Dragon Ball a little now. Although he still has a major issue drawing Vegeta with a wide face.
He seems to be getting back into the swing of things :) His Freeza and Boo saga work are better though.

User avatar
DragonBalllKaiHD
I Live Here
Posts: 2707
Joined: Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:37 pm
Location: Texas
Contact:

Re: Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #30]

Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:13 pm

The info on credits is up on Animator's Corner. Chief Animation Supervisor Tsuji Miyako did some key animation. Actually it seems that Takeo and Tsuji have been stepping in as the key animators lately. I assume they are there to help reduce the workload for regular supervisors.

Another thing I noticed is only four key animators are credited. Who knows how many animators at TAP key animated the episode? The schedule seems to be improving with the new arc. The recap episode may help ease it a bit though.
Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru's #1 biggest fan

A piece of animation is a beauty of art.

Sodhi
I Live Here
Posts: 2180
Joined: Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:53 pm

Re: Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #30]

Post by Sodhi » Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:09 am

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote: Another thing I noticed is only four key animators are credited. Who knows how many animators at TAP key animated the episode? The schedule seems to be improving with the new arc. The recap episode may help ease it a bit though.
I just noticed that Nashizawa Takashi has done key animation of two episode straight now.

User avatar
JulieYBM
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 17634
Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:25 pm
Location: 🏳️‍⚧️🍉

Re: Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #30]

Post by JulieYBM » Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:51 am

It's not impossible. Shindou Mitsuo, former animation supervisor for Dragon Ball, does key animation for three or four episodes of One Piece in a row. He's either doing very few shots or is very fast.
💙💜💖 She/Her 💙💜💖
💙💜💖 Don't forget to take your estrogen! 💙💜💖

User avatar
ekrolo2
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 7865
Joined: Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:27 am
Location: Split, Croatia

Re: Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #30]

Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:07 am

Wow, Super finally has an episode with a decent looking Piccolo in it.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.

How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):

User avatar
Ajay
Moderator
Posts: 6214
Joined: Sun May 26, 2013 6:15 pm
Location: Surrey, UK
Contact:

Re: Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #30]

Post by Ajay » Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:22 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:Wow, Super finally has an episode with a decent looking Piccolo in it.
I know, right?! I was so excited by the preview last week. Shimanuki absolutely nailed it.
I'm convinced he went and looked at his old work again. He's still a long way off, but he's improving dramatically.

Comparing his early Super work to now is like night and day:

Initially, all of his face shapes were wrong, the ears stuck out too much, and the hair sat too close to the head.
Around episode 20, he seemed to fix this, and then from episode 25 onwards, it's like he's beginning to get his mojo back.
All of sudden, episode 30 begins to show signs that he's looked at this old work. The cheek indent in the shading returns, the ear shape seems fine -- it's just the wide faces that need fixing. I blame the lack of angles on Yamamuro's designs.
Follow me on Twitter for countless shitposts.

Deadtuber.

User avatar
JulieYBM
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 17634
Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:25 pm
Location: 🏳️‍⚧️🍉

Re: Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #30]

Post by JulieYBM » Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:42 pm

Eh, I guess I need to be the party pooper here. I think Shimanuki's work looks atrocious still. The drawings don't have to look anything but nice, but here he keeps drawing inconsistly but consistly different forms of ugly. Piccolo might have looked a little more mid-Dragon Ball Z but that does not mean it was easy on the eyes. That training scene alone was so terribly timed, too. I do not knowwhat happened to Shimanuki but he needs to quit.
💙💜💖 She/Her 💙💜💖
💙💜💖 Don't forget to take your estrogen! 💙💜💖

User avatar
Ajay
Moderator
Posts: 6214
Joined: Sun May 26, 2013 6:15 pm
Location: Surrey, UK
Contact:

Re: Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #30]

Post by Ajay » Sun Feb 07, 2016 1:49 pm

Oh, don't get me wrong, his ability to actually animate is pretty hit and miss. As much as I liked his cut in episode 25, it was pretty damn stiff. Same with the fight this week.

I'm just looking for little improvements here and there. I'm being the optimist!

Give me more Tate goodness.
Follow me on Twitter for countless shitposts.

Deadtuber.

User avatar
Doctor.
Banned
Posts: 10558
Joined: Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:02 am
Location: Portugal

Re: Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #30]

Post by Doctor. » Sun Feb 07, 2016 4:51 pm

I still despise Shimanuki's style, even in Z. Sorry, those wide faces don't do it for me.

Sodhi
I Live Here
Posts: 2180
Joined: Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:53 pm

Re: Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #30]

Post by Sodhi » Sun Feb 07, 2016 4:56 pm

I had this dream last night. In that dream tate got angry and he left dragon ball super permanently. I was like noooooooooooooooooooo. I think he was complaining about how little time he gets on his episodes and sometimes is forced to do some episodes. Thank god it was just a dream. Just wanted to share it, because it was really weird.

User avatar
Metalwario64
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 6180
Joined: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:02 am
Location: Namek

Re: Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #30]

Post by Metalwario64 » Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:14 pm

I'm really liking how Shimanuki is properly shading the faces. Too many of the other artists still adhere to Yamamuro's models with the incorrect shading, so it's always good to see certain artists realizing the shading shouldn't look like that.
"Kenshi is sitting down right now drawing his mutated spaghetti monsters thinking he's the shit..."--Neptune Kai
"90% of you here don't even know what you're talking about (there are a few that do). But the things you say about these releases are nonsense and just plain dumb. Like you Metalwario64"--final_flash

User avatar
Noah
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8276
Joined: Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:56 pm
Location: Virtual World

Re: Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #30]

Post by Noah » Sun Feb 07, 2016 10:12 pm

I really would like Yamamuro to direct more episodes in DBS, he is indeed and still the best animator in the series

I mean look the example in this thread:
Easily the best animated episode in Super existence.
乃亜

Top 10 DB/Z/GT Songs

Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?

User avatar
Metalwario64
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 6180
Joined: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:02 am
Location: Namek

Re: Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #30]

Post by Metalwario64 » Sun Feb 07, 2016 10:35 pm

I really don't like the way he's been drawing noses and mouths in recent years, and I don't like the way he does the shading on the cheeks.

I can't speak about the actual animation (which to me is more important than just looking good anyway), since I haven't seen that episode in a very long time.
"Kenshi is sitting down right now drawing his mutated spaghetti monsters thinking he's the shit..."--Neptune Kai
"90% of you here don't even know what you're talking about (there are a few that do). But the things you say about these releases are nonsense and just plain dumb. Like you Metalwario64"--final_flash

User avatar
Khin
I Live Here
Posts: 2540
Joined: Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:33 am
Location: West City
Contact:

Re: Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #30]

Post by Khin » Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:00 am

Noah wrote:Easily the best animated episode in Super existence.
Episode 14 is the best animated episode in Super in my opinion.If not for those off model drawings.It would certainly look as Gold as Golden Freeza. :) But Yamamuro's drawing in episode 13 is a really good.Is episode 13 the only episode in Super that he worked ?

Post Reply