Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[ArchedThunder]

This is a series where characters are constantly surpassing their limits

Constantly getting stronger doesn't mean that they are constantly surpassing their limits.

It's been mentioned multiple times that characters have broken their limits.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

This is a series where characters are constantly surpassing their limits

Constantly getting stronger doesn't mean that they are constantly surpassing their limits.

It's been mentioned multiple times that characters have broken their limits.

When exactly?

[ArchedThunder]

When exactly?

Here's a handful from the Namek Arc

Chapter: 270 (DBZ 76), P12.5
Narrator: “Even Goku hasn’t realized…That somewhere along the line he’s acquired enough power to surpass the level of Saiyan limits…”

Chapter: 289 (DBZ 95), P6.1-2
Context: after Jheese freaks out over Vegeta's new battle power
Vegeta: “That’s right…I’ve surpassed Saiyan limits, and my strength is still increasing more and more…The truth is that I’ve realized it too…That this extension of my power isn’t merely what you’d call giftedness…In other words…I’m steadily drawing near…to becoming a Super Saiyan!”

Chapter: 306 (DBZ 112), P12.2
Context: after he fully heals
Goku: “I’ve gotten strong! My power just keeps gushing forth…! Unbelievable…! And here I thought I was already about at my limits…This is enough to scare even me…”

Chapter: 307 (DBZ 113), P8.2-3
Vegeta: “He’s not the same Kakarot as before…S-seems he’s finally overcome the wall of his limits…Is he a Super Saiyan…!?”

Chapter: 309 (DBZ 115), P2.1
Context: after learning that Freeza killed Vegeta and is fighting Goku
Yamcha: “Da…damn it…That bastard’s too much for even Goku…”
Kaio: “They’re having a good match…[ ] The Saiyans are an odd group…No, maybe it’s just Goku…His strength has no limit…He’s like a completely different person than when he trained here…I don’t really understand him…”

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P13.5-6, P14.1
Context: after Freeza and Vegeta grapple for awhile, after Vegeta said they could win
Freeza: “I see…Seems that wasn’t a complete lie…”
Gohan: “It-it’s true…! If we 3 fight together, we might really be able to manage something…H-he really is absolutely incredible, but we’ve gotten better too…!”
Kuririn: “I-I see…! Since coming here Vegeta’s acquired such strength that he seems to have even further surpassed his limits…B-but…F-Freeza is oddly calm…Why?...”


And then more recently we had Goku break into the realm of the gods, something he thought he wouldn't have ever been able to do on his own, but then right after that Vegeta does so on his own.
The "limits" talks in Dragon Ball are literally meaningless.

[ekrolo2]

So, what are the odds Piccolo's made any noteworthy strength gains after training with Gohan? None or f*ck all?

[Lord Beerus]

So, what are the odds Piccolo's made any noteworthy strength gains after training with Gohan? None or f*ck all?

I'd say it could range from jack shit to squat. Although, it could turned out to be nowt. We have to wait and see. I'd personally put my money on zilch.

[LightBing]

So, what are the odds Piccolo's made any noteworthy strength gains after training with Gohan? None or f*ck all?

Well, we saw him even with Base Gohan in those few seconds. He's either been upgrade to SSJ2 tier or if Gohan has recovered his ultimate powers without SSJ, high SSJ3 tier. That's pretty decent.

[Roronoa-pt]

I would say Piccolo is near SSJ3 tier, after the training with Gohan. They've been training for some months now, seeing as Kuririn is back with a nice haircut.
I would bet that Gohan regained most if not all his ultimate powers. Piccolo is like the best teacher, sparring partner of the entire Dragon Ball series.

[Bullza]

Didn't Piccolo's power always increase at a faster rate that the others?

[Lord Beerus]

I would say Piccolo is near SSJ3 tier, after the training with Gohan. They've been training for some months now, seeing as Kuririn is back with a nice haircut.
I would bet that Gohan regained most if not all his ultimate powers. Piccolo is like the best teacher, sparring partner of the entire Dragon Ball series.

Nothing suggests Piccolo is at SSJ3 tier. Unless he has a trick up his sleeve against Frost. And, I'm sorry, but Piccolo is not the best teach or sparring partner in the Dragon Ball series. The title of "Best Teacher" goes to Whis for what he did for Goku and Vegeta and the title of "Best Sparring Partner" should go to Goku for the phenomenal gains that Gohan made when training with him in the ROSAT in the Cell arc.

[Roronoa-pt]

I would say Piccolo is near SSJ3 tier, after the training with Gohan. They've been training for some months now, seeing as Kuririn is back with a nice haircut.
I would bet that Gohan regained most if not all his ultimate powers. Piccolo is like the best teacher, sparring partner of the entire Dragon Ball series.

Nothing suggests Piccolo is at SSJ3 tier. Unless he has a trick up his sleeve against Frost. And, I'm sorry, but Piccolo is not the best teach or sparring partner in the Dragon Ball series. The title of "Best Teacher" goes to Whis for what he did for Goku and Vegeta and the title of "Best Sparring Partner" should go to Goku for the phenomenal gains that Gohan made when training with him in the ROSAT in the Cell arc.

He's not SSJ3 tier, I said he's near that level.
I do think Piccolo is the best teacher. Just because Whis is a god-like being and teached Goku and & Vegeta how to use god KI doesn't mean he's the best teacher, don't forget he is the most powerful being so far in the DBS series! Piccolo trained with Gohan for three times now, he even teached Goten and Trunks how to fuse, Piccolo has a much bigger role in the Dragon Ball as a teacher/mentor than Whis.

As the sparring partner, you have a point, I completly forgot about the training in ROSAT.

[emperior]

Also don't forget Piccolo has also absorbed Kami, who was a teacher for Goku and the other Z Fighters.

[apex_pretador]

So, what are the odds Piccolo's made any noteworthy strength gains after training with Gohan? None or f*ck all?

He can be anywhere from perfect cell level to buuhan level & still be unable to keep up with goku & vegeta.

Didn't Piccolo's power always increase at a faster rate that the others?

But this is nameless namek, who increases at a slower rate than others.

I think the fusion with kami did worse for him than good (except his life is independent on kami's life).

[Hugo Boss]

So, what are the odds Piccolo's made any noteworthy strength gains after training with Gohan? None or f*ck all?

He was seemingly even with [regular-form] Gohan and, given Goku's reaction, Gohan should be stronger than when he fought Freeza.

[ArchedThunder]

So, what are the odds Piccolo's made any noteworthy strength gains after training with Gohan? None or f*ck all?

He was seemingly even with [regular-form] Gohan and, given Goku's reaction, Gohan should be stronger than when he fought Freeza.

Maybe Base Gohan and Piccolo are both about Perfect Cell level now, or higher. That'd be pretty cool.

[Saturnine]

So, what are the odds Piccolo's made any noteworthy strength gains after training with Gohan? None or f*ck all?

He was seemingly even with [regular-form] Gohan and, given Goku's reaction, Gohan should be stronger than when he fought Freeza.

You must be tripping, bro. He went from being equal to Android 17 to beating standby Perfect Cell or at the very least Semi-Perfect Cell (depending on where you place the Cell Juniors) in just one year in RoSaT. If he kept training seriously, he'd have no problem at all equalling Cell Games SSj2 Gohan given enough time IMO. He went from like 1,6 million vs Freeza to at least 100x that against Gero in 3 years of training. Piccolo has beastly training efficiency.

[ekrolo2]

So, what are the odds Piccolo's made any noteworthy strength gains after training with Gohan? None or f*ck all?

He was seemingly even with [regular-form] Gohan and, given Goku's reaction, Gohan should be stronger than when he fought Freeza.

You must be tripping, bro. He went from being equal to Android 17 to beating standby Perfect Cell or at the very least Semi-Perfect Cell (depending on where you place the Cell Juniors) in just one year in RoSaT. If he kept training seriously, he'd have no problem at all equalling Cell Games SSj2 Gohan given enough time IMO. He went from like 1,6 million vs Freeza to at least 100x that against Gero in 3 years of training. Piccolo has beastly training efficiency.

That evaporated the second he fused with Kami. If Piccolo really had anything left in him, Toriyama would've kept him relevant afterwards instead of chucking him into the fodder bin with everyone else who doesn't have spiky hair that turns blonde, red or blue.

[Hugo Boss]

So, what are the odds Piccolo's made any noteworthy strength gains after training with Gohan? None or f*ck all?

He was seemingly even with [regular-form] Gohan and, given Goku's reaction, Gohan should be stronger than when he fought Freeza.

You must be tripping, bro.

No. What I said is what happened in Episode #30 of Dragon Ball Super, which we are suposed to be talking about. We have yet to wait Episode #34 to see what Piccolo is really capable of.

[ssbgoku]

Ok. It just seems that along with universe 6 the gap between not divine ki use and divine ki use characters may shrink or be estabilished as smaller. Anyway I would like to post my my thoughts about where would Vegito stands in it. I will base my thoughts on buu arc ssj vegito > bog rage ssj2 vegeta, so here I go.

1. We know that beerus used 10% to one shot rage ssj2 vegeta. I believe the gap would be at least x2 for beerus on 10% to one shot rage ssj2 vegeta.

2. If we accept buu arc ssj vegito with feats shown (not full power yet) > rage ssj2 vegeta then here go power scale including rof and bog arc of super manga. I will include predicted power level of picoolo and gohan too.

bog arc ssj3 goku - 0.001
rof ssj gohan - 0.0008
buu arc vegito - 0.01
u6 base gohan/picoolo - 0.011
buuhan - 0.012
bog arc vegito - 0.013
bog rage ssj2 vegeta - 0.3
buu arc ssj vegito - 0.5
u6 ssj gohan - 0.55
bog arc ssj vegito - 0.65
buu arc ssj2 vegito(if possible) - 1
bog arc ssj2 vegito(if possible) - 1.3
buu arc ssj3 vegito(if possible) - 4
fourth form frieza - 5
bog arc ssj3 vegito(if possible) - 5.2
ssjg goku - 6
rof base goku - 6.2
rof base vegeta - 6.25
golden frieza weakened - 7
ssb goku - 7.4
ssb vegeta - 7.5
u6 base goku - 6.5
u6 base vegeta - 6.5
u6 ssb goku - 8
u6 ssb vegeta -8
golden frieza - 7.8
monaca - 8.5
champa- 9.5
beerus - 10
whis -15
vados- 15

Just to note, I use for all ssj x50 mulitplier, for ssj2 x2 multiplier and ssj3 x 4 mutliplier

[Sandubadear]

u6 base goku - 6.5
u6 base vegeta - 6.5
u6 ssb goku - 8
u6 ssb vegeta -8

What?

[ArchedThunder]

Ok. It just seems that along with universe 6 the gap between not divine ki use and divine ki use characters may shrink or be estabilished as smaller. Anyway I would like to post my my thoughts about where would Vegito stands in it. I will base my thoughts on buu arc ssj vegito > bog rage ssj2 vegeta, so here I go.

1. We know that beerus used 10% to one shot rage ssj2 vegeta. I believe the gap would be at least x2 for beerus on 10% to one shot rage ssj2 vegeta.

2. If we accept buu arc ssj vegito with feats shown (not full power yet) > rage ssj2 vegeta then here go power scale including rof and bog arc of super manga. I will include predicted power level of picoolo and gohan too.

bog arc ssj3 goku - 0.001
rof ssj gohan - 0.0008
buu arc vegito - 0.01
u6 base gohan/picoolo - 0.011
buuhan - 0.012
bog arc vegito - 0.013
bog rage ssj2 vegeta - 0.3
buu arc ssj vegito - 0.5
u6 ssj gohan - 0.55
bog arc ssj vegito - 0.65
buu arc ssj2 vegito(if possible) - 1
bog arc ssj2 vegito(if possible) - 1.3
buu arc ssj3 vegito(if possible) - 4
fourth form Freeza - 5
bog arc ssj3 vegito(if possible) - 5.2
ssjg goku - 6
rof base goku - 6.2
rof base vegeta - 6.25
golden Freeza weakened - 7
ssb goku - 7.4
ssb vegeta - 7.5
u6 base goku - 6.5
u6 base vegeta - 6.5
u6 ssb goku - 8
u6 ssb vegeta -8
golden Freeza - 7.8
monaca - 8.5
champa- 9.5
beerus - 10
whis -15
vados- 15

Just to note, I use for all ssj x50 mulitplier, for ssj2 x2 multiplier and ssj3 x 4 mutliplier

So where would you put Champa arc Blue Vegetto?