Thoughts on Piccolo's Potential and Future

[DBZGeneral]

This is a long post, you have been warned! I cannot stress this enough! Sorry if you dont like walls of texts, it couldnt be helped.

Using some info from the series and games, i will explain my theory/hypothetical, where piccolo could become just as strong as goku if not stronger.

#1: NAMELESS NAMEKIAN
My first point is the most integral piece of my theory.
The nameless namekian is the namekian who has since lost his name, and as we all know, of course that is piccolo. If Piccolo were to return to the true Nameless namekian state, i believe he would be fully capable of going toe to toe with even goku and vegeta in ssjblue.

Look back to when Nail and Piccolo had spoke on namek. Nail had told piccolo that if he had been on namek now as the full nameless namekian, he would be able to defeat Frieza. Mind you nail said this obviously before he fused with piccolo. So he is talking strictly about Nameless namek without nail.

#2 ELDER GURU
Now jump to when Elder Guru stated a very important thing. He stated that the nameless namekian was a PRODIGY, and that his potential is so great that only a super saiyan could keep up with him. I know what your all thinking. That elder guru was only talking about a ssj1, but i believe he was talking about potential in general, meaning nameless namekians strength could grow just as high as saiyans, which we see now, is as high as gods. Given enough time and training, piccolo could reach godly power.

#3 SUPER SONIC WARRIORS
My next point draws from the video game Super sonic warriors. In the game, Piccolo is sent to planet Namek during the buu arc to use the namekian dragonballs and wish for the ressurection of his father. Then he fuses with his father under the condition that he is the main host of the fusion, and states that his power had jumped so high that even fat buu would be an easy victory. Then Super buu states that even with weighted clothing on, piccolo was still much stronger than him.

The nameless namekian very well may be the namekian equivalent of a legendary super saiyan.

#4: NAMEKIAN FUSION
Namekians can Fuse with other namekians ad infinitum. It is never stated nor implied that there is a limit to how many times they can do this and how high there power can go. Universe 6 Namekians could hold the key to unlocking the full potential of namekian fusion.

#5 DRAGONBALL SUPER
Now lets talk dragonball super. In dragonball super, we know that piccolo has agreed to fight in the universe 6 &7 tournament. You have to ask yourself why would piccolo agree to have joined knowing that at that current point he was much weaker than goku and vegeta. Is it that improbable that piccolo himself knows he has the potential to help his team win? Now you might say that piccolo contradicts this by saying his body cannot keep up with saiyans in the HBTC/RoSaT, however this might not count him out entirely.

For one thing, piccolo decides that rather than train his body, he would rather calm his mind in silence. In essence, he is training his mind instead. There is a gap of about 4-5 days i think between this point and the start of the tournament that give no explanation or showing of what piccolo does during this time. whos to say he didnt unlock something new through concentrating his mind and they are just waiting to show us? Crazier things have happened in DBZ.

If we take into consideration whis staff/ god ki. Piccolos potential and power can and will skyrocket.

My last point is Namekians in universe 6 and also Frost vs Piccolo.

As for frost vs piccolo, the title mentioning "Bet it all on the special beam Cannon" really gives me this strange feeling piccolo may actually pull a suprise win for universe 7. Pair that with the fact universe 7 is already down 1 fighter due to majin buu, and it really makes no sense to have piccolo eliminated so early. It would become a 4 vs 3 assuming botamo loses, or 4 vs 2 if goku vs botamo is a double ko/ro.

As for Namekians in universe 6, i have a personal theory that U6 namekians are mostly warrior namekians, in contrast to our U7 namekians, which were mostly dragon namekians (Which were not known for strength).

If goku and vegeta will visit planet salad, why not piccolo visit U6 namek, and possibly learn, train, and maybe even fuse with u6 namekians.

Well these are my thoughts just some of the stuff floating around in my head, maybe because piccolo is my favorite character, but what do you guys think about piccolo? Does he have the power and potential to go up against U6, if not now then after the tournament even? Or is he going to be a wasted potential character for the rest of DBS?

[innocent_rage]

It all depends on AT, I think piccolo is one of the strongest out there ,he has plenty of potential.

Andriod saga

-below ssj level
-above all the ssjs when fused with kami
-above vegeta and trunks when he trained in the HTC for 1 year

He proved to the godly ssjs that he's no pushover.

Buu saga and beyond


- in 7 years AT could have made him on par with a ssj2 or at-least perfect cell.
- when buu attacked he could have trained again in the HTC and gotten even more powerful.
- If he gets training from whis then it will be Kami/Piccolo fusion above the ssj's all over again.
- Piccolo should have always been standing in the front lines with goku and vegeta without any problems if we go by his rapid and consistent power increases
through out the show,that man is no baby sitter

[Darkprince410]

The nameless namekian is the namekian who has since lost his name, and as we all know, of course that is piccolo. If Piccolo were to return to the true Nameless namekian state, i believe he would be fully capable of going toe to toe with even goku and vegeta in ssjblue.

He already did though. The moment he merged with Kami again, he became that. Likewise, the whole "nameless Namekian" thing was sort of played up a good bit in the dub as being something overly special, when in the original manga, it's simply that he's "a Namekian" that has forgotten his name. He's simply forgotten what his name was when he was solely the child of Katatz, and it's not some special, mystical state like that.

Now jump to when Elder Guru stated a very important thing. He stated that the nameless namekian was a PRODIGY, and that his potential is so great that only a super saiyan could keep up with him. I know what your all thinking. That elder guru was only talking about a ssj1, but i believe he was talking about potential in general, meaning nameless namekians strength could grow just as high as saiyans, which we see now, is as high as gods. Given enough time and training, piccolo could reach godly power.

Potential was never mentioned once by Saichorou, simply power itself.

Chapter: 265 (DBZ 71), P2.5-7
Context: Kuririn explained to the Great Elder how the child of Katatz came to be on Earth.
Great Elder: “You speak as though the child died… Was it old age…? Or was he killed…?”
Kuririn: “Killed. By a Saiyan called Vegeta…who’s here right now…”
Great Elder: “By a Saiyan…? It is true that Saiyans are terrible, but…but to have killed that prodigy of the Dragon Clan… …Is it possible that he was…a Super Saiyan…?”

Chapter: 265 (DBZ 71), P3.4-5
Context: the Great Elder reads Kuririn’s mind and learns of God and Piccolo.
Great Elder: “Hmf! He split in two, long ago…after evil entered into him! How foolish… He diminished by half the genius power with which he was gifted at birth! If he had come back together as one, he might not have had to die…”

All that Saichorou's comments indicate is that, if Kami and Daimao hadn't split apart, a normal Saiya-jin wouldn't likely have been able to defeat him. Nothing about fantastic or insane levels of potential.

Namekians can Fuse with other namekians ad infinitum. It is never stated nor implied that there is a limit to how many times they can do this and how high there power can go. Universe 6 Namekians could hold the key to unlocking the full potential of namekian fusion.

Namekians cannot fuse with individuals not of their clan, so Piccolo would be limited to only being able to fuse with individuals of the Warrior Clan.

For one thing, piccolo decides that rather than train his body, he would rather calm his mind in silence. In essence, he is training his mind instead. There is a gap of about 4-5 days i think between this point and the start of the tournament that give no explanation or showing of what piccolo does during this time. whos to say he didnt unlock something new through concentrating his mind and they are just waiting to show us? Crazier things have happened in DBZ.

His specific words on the matter was that he wouldn't be able to go at it physically with two Saiya-jin when it came to training, and thus felt that a few days of mental training would be better. If anything, his reluctance to train with them is an indicator that he doesn't feel he has what it takes to keep up with them, rather than thinking he can easily jump to high levels just by doing that.

[apex_pretador]

In case of potential, we need to see his power jumps:

1. He is born with power of his dad. He is obviously infant, but in 3 years, without any previous knowledge of training & no experience, he far surpasses his father by so much that goku, who was already stronger , & a saiyan AND was being trained by god himself was equal to him. (daimao arc to 23rd TB)

2. He trains with gohan. Unlike humans, he doesn't have benefit of having sparring partners, or the benefit of new method of training (weights). Not only that, he wastes over half the time training gohan. After that, he gets gohan as sparring partner for a little over 4 months. But he still manages to outdo humans.

3. King kai training. This is the most broken gain. He goes from lolworthy to nappa to surpass the following levels:
nappa , KK goku , KK x2 goku , vegeta/cui , KK x3 goku/dodoria , zarbon , monster zarbon , ginyu force , nail , namek goku (maybe)
All happened in one month running on road with weights & training for 6 days.

4. He trains on his own, and ends up surpassing (most likely) a far superior vegeta, who himself was training.(trunks arrival)

5. He trains with goku, and becomes as strong as future trunks was as a SS.

6. He trains in HTC and surpasses the following in one year:
#17 , #16 , semicell , semicell FP , Super vegeta , around half goku (maybe)

7. He trains till buu arc, and reaches close to FPSS goku (maybe) but nowhere near SS2.


Conclusion:

Him fusing with kami decreased his potential as seeing how he never closed the gap with SS2's while he become marginally weaker than SS without fusion.

This is a long post, you have been warned! I cannot stress this enough! Sorry if you dont like walls of texts, it couldnt be helped.

Using some info from the series and games, i will explain my theory/hypothetical, where piccolo could become just as strong as goku if not stronger.

#1: NAMELESS NAMEKIAN
My first point is the most integral piece of my theory.
The nameless namekian is the namekian who has since lost his name, and as we all know, of course that is piccolo. If Piccolo were to return to the true Nameless namekian state, i believe he would be fully capable of going toe to toe with even goku and vegeta in ssjblue.

Look back to when Nail and Piccolo had spoke on namek. Nail had told piccolo that if he had been on namek now as the full nameless namekian, he would be able to defeat Freeza. Mind you nail said this obviously before he fused with piccolo. So he is talking strictly about Nameless namek without nail.

Nail said he will "maybe" able to defeat freeza, FIRST FORM freeza.
Also, he didn't know kami was a weakass of PL 230. Anyways, strictly talking about him without nail may reault in 500,000.
Nail knew freeza is massively stronger than him, but not that he is like 200x stronger than himself in first form.
I'd say nail fusion > Kami fusion, he defeated 2nd form freeza AFTER he powered up twice, and wasn't even serious.

#2 ELDER GURU
Now jump to when Elder Guru stated a very important thing. He stated that the nameless namekian was a PRODIGY, and that his potential is so great that only a super saiyan could keep up with him. I know what your all thinking. That elder guru was only talking about a ssj1, but i believe he was talking about potential in general, meaning nameless namekians strength could grow just as high as saiyans, which we see now, is as high as gods. Given enough time and training, piccolo could reach godly power.

He just said "saiyans are strong, but are they that strong? was the person who defeat the dragon clan prodigy kid a super saiyan?"
Till now, no one knew about what a super saiyan is. It was just a rumour, and he was NOT talking about potential. Also, Warrior clan > Dragon clan prodigy
The avg power of saiyans was what? 1500 ? Almost all saiyans capped out in less than 6,000. Only king vegeta & his kid were higher. So, I'd say if he had a PL of 20,000 , he will not be defeated by saiyan, but by a super saiyan only. Vegeta & ginyu thought goku at 60,000 is super saiyan.

#3 SUPER SONIC WARRIORS
My next point draws from the video game Super sonic warriors. In the game, Piccolo is sent to planet Namek during the buu arc to use the namekian dragonballs and wish for the ressurection of his father. Then he fuses with his father under the condition that he is the main host of the fusion, and states that his power had jumped so high that even fat buu would be an easy victory. Then Super buu states that even with weighted clothing on, piccolo was still much stronger than him.

Games don't mean anything.
Also, nameless namekian, who's nothing but the kid who was sent to earth & forgot his name due to split.
Piccolo is technically already fused with his father. He inherits his life force & his memories.

The nameless namekian very well may be the namekian equivalent of a legendary super saiyan.

He was nothing legendary , just exceptionally strong kid for being a dagon clan member, but nothing indicates that he's stronger than warrior clan members.

#4: NAMEKIAN FUSION
Namekians can Fuse with other namekians ad infinitum. It is never stated nor implied that there is a limit to how many times they can do this and how high there power can go. Universe 6 Namekians could hold the key to unlocking the full potential of namekian fusion.

Namekian fusion isn't done just for fun. It is sacrificing your life to powerup someone else. It is a "wonderful present" in nail's words. The fact is - everyone preferred dying at the hands of freeza's men instead of fusing with each other. I doubt that if there was any other namekian except nail, if present , would've sacrificed his soul just for some unknown namekian. You need really brave heart for this.

Also, the conditions were extreme - Freeza was killing everyone, & nail would rather sacrifice himself , his mind , body & soul , rather than rest in peace in afterlife , due to being a pure warrior & wanting to avenge his race.
Kami was one being with piccolo already, and he cared for humanity more than anyone else. He knew the only way to stop the threat of cell was this. Also, they were just recombining, nothing more.

Not only that , nail, who was by far the strongest namekian, was able to give piccolo a huge power boost because - they were close in power & they were warrior types AND because piccolo himself has gotten so strong.

Spoiler:

#5 DRAGONBALL SUPER
Now lets talk dragonball super. In dragonball super, we know that piccolo has agreed to fight in the universe 6 &7 tournament. You have to ask yourself why would piccolo agree to have joined knowing that at that current point he was much weaker than goku and vegeta. Is it that improbable that piccolo himself knows he has the potential to help his team win? Now you might say that piccolo contradicts this by saying his body cannot keep up with saiyans in the HBTC/RoSaT, however this might not count him out entirely.

For one thing, piccolo decides that rather than train his body, he would rather calm his mind in silence. In essence, he is training his mind instead. There is a gap of about 4-5 days i think between this point and the start of the tournament that give no explanation or showing of what piccolo does during this time. whos to say he didnt unlock something new through concentrating his mind and they are just waiting to show us? Crazier things have happened in DBZ.

If we take into consideration whis staff/ god ki. Piccolos potential and power can and will skyrocket.

My last point is Namekians in universe 6 and also Frost vs Piccolo.

As for frost vs piccolo, the title mentioning "Bet it all on the special beam Cannon" really gives me this strange feeling piccolo may actually pull a suprise win for universe 7. Pair that with the fact universe 7 is already down 1 fighter due to majin buu, and it really makes no sense to have piccolo eliminated so early. It would become a 4 vs 3 assuming botamo loses, or 4 vs 2 if goku vs botamo is a double ko/ro.

As for Namekians in universe 6, i have a personal theory that U6 namekians are mostly warrior namekians, in contrast to our U7 namekians, which were mostly dragon namekians (Which were not known for strength).

If goku and vegeta will visit planet salad, why not piccolo visit U6 namek, and possibly learn, train, and maybe even fuse with u6 namekians.

Well these are my thoughts just some of the stuff floating around in my head, maybe because piccolo is my favorite character, but what do you guys think about piccolo? Does he have the power and potential to go up against U6, if not now then after the tournament even? Or is he going to be a wasted potential character for the rest of DBS?

I agree, I believe he's gonna surprise everyone.

[Lionel]

You do bring up some valid points, particularly with the Nameless Namekian's esteemed power that is foretold to be of comparable worth to that of a Super Saiyan. The Namekian Book of Legends happen to give reference to the deity state and the methods through which it's attained. In the likely event of Guru having knowledge of this tome, you could bridge the original proclamation of the Namekian being exceptionally gifted to that of this ancient form which harnesses the power of gods. This could mean that the Child of Katatz is capable of attaining a similar power.

That's what I would like to see. In reality, I feel like Toriyama probably doesn't even remember this segment of his manga's lore. He's a forgetful man who usually writes by winging it with not much pre-planning or forethought given to map out the direction his manga will be steered towards. Convenience is one of the of most integral principles to his writing approach. Piccolo hit his stride by reuniting with Kami and momentarily becoming the strongest fighter in the group. He's never been able to recover his prestige once the Saiyans overtook him afterwards. He doesn't have the same plot devices like Super Saiyan God mode or Gohan's overwhelming potential to anchor him for continued relevancy in the fighting scene. Make no mistake -- I would love to see Piccolo rise back up to the top as one of the best fighters, but it seems like his shortcomings are still preventing him from reaching that point again. This latest episode only reinforced our concerns about him being incapable of keeping up with Goku and Vegeta.

Spoiler:

My own theory in how he could play a part in the tournament hearkens back to the fight with Raditz in that he used the Special Beam Cannon's amplification charge to defeat an opponent who was greatly superior to him in strength. Should Frost transform that technique could be his one and only chance for winning the match.

[TheMikado]

I think Piccolo will get "God" powers.

Mostly based on the fact that we know Super Dragonballs exist which call forth the God level dragon and someone had to have created these. Being that Namekians are the only known source of Dragonballs its reasonable to assume that God Namekians are a thing. Again why mention the Super Dragonballs are part of the God tier if you didnt also have a God Namekian. Further why bring Piccolo along to the tournament at all if you are going to talk about God tier dragonballs and Namekians and ignore Piccolo standing over in the corner "God power"less?