First of all could someone move this to the Super section please, think you
With SSG Goku and Beerus' fight nearly destroying the universe, Beerus and Champa's clash nearly destroying both Uni 6 and Uni 7, combined with Whis and Vados' statement about destroyer gods clashing it seems that there's a risk to the universe whenever someone with god ki fights others with god ki, yet Goku and Vegeta's rivalry still seems to go on and with Toriyama mentioning that they could surpass Beerus at some point, saiyans clashing could risky. And then there's Beerus' statement in Super that he wants Goku and Vegeta to get strong enough to"Make good playmates for him" which implys that he's interested in fighting them again if they get stronger.
What i don't get is why all of them are so eager fight each other again when there's risk to the universe if they do?
Goku and Vegata need to stay rivals to make their character interactions interesting in a way that fits the serie's action genre. It's a logical way to give them chemistry.
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Augenis wrote:The power level view into the series has trained a significant portion of the fan base into real life stereotypical members of the Freeza empire, where each and every individual is reduced to a floating number above their heads and any sudden changes to said number are met with shock and confusion.
Because they're all easily bored, selfish individuals who get no enjoyment from anything that doesn't involve ramming their fists into people's bodies?
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
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Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
Why do people think the universe thing will ever be relevant in fights again? SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta just fought Golden Freeza and not an single thing was destroyed bedsides an planet.
Also removing the Goku and Vegeta rivalry from DB would be like removing the Jedi and Sith rivalry from Star Wars. It's something you just do not do.
ekrolo2 wrote:Because they're all easily bored, selfish individuals who get no enjoyment from anything that doesn't involve ramming their fists into people's bodies?
Yep. And that's what makes the dynamic of their relationship so interesting.
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Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
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Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
ChaosLordBrandon wrote:Why do people think the universe thing will ever be relevant in fights again? SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta just fought Golden Freeza and not an single thing was destroyed bedsides an planet.
Because they are capable of such feats. Not seeing universal shattering every time does not magically take away from them.
Besides Goku and Vegeta's rivalry is always a highlight of the show.
ekrolo2 wrote:Because they're all easily bored, selfish individuals who get no enjoyment from anything that doesn't involve ramming their fists into people's bodies?
Yep. And that's what makes the dynamic of their relationship so interesting.
I agree for Goku and Beerus but Vegeta's whole obsession with being the best got old 20 something years ago, him returning to that full force is more obnoxious than anything. Like he isn't allowed to have any sense of self-improvement to keep on training unless its precisely to beat Goku.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
I didn't see the original fight with Beerus in Super so maybe I'm wrong but I've always taken it not to neccesarily be about raw power (first form Freeza could destroy a planet with ease after all) but more about controlling that power. Beerus probably worries less about controlling his destructive power in fights because destroying things is what he does for a living.
Barunks wrote:I didn't see the original fight with Beerus in Super so maybe I'm wrong but I've always taken it not to neccesarily be about raw power (first form Freeza could destroy a planet with ease after all) but more about controlling that power. Beerus probably worries less about controlling his destructive power in fights because destroying things is what he does for a living.
You should watch it, its 5 episodes long (10,11,12,13,14) and by far the best fight in Super so far.
Barunks wrote:I didn't see the original fight with Beerus in Super so maybe I'm wrong but I've always taken it not to neccesarily be about raw power (first form Freeza could destroy a planet with ease after all) but more about controlling that power. Beerus probably worries less about controlling his destructive power in fights because destroying things is what he does for a living.
It isn't. Goku wasn't concerned by Freezer's death ball until he threw it on Namek itself. That power was surely not enough to do any real damage to Goku but it was enough to destroy the planet.
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Vegeta's rivalry with goku is an important thing,its what keeps vegeta going,he doesnt want goku leaving him in the dust so he constantly trains.While goku doesnt really see vegeta as a rival.
Also beerus doesnt see them as rivals to himself,he views them as playthings,something to relieve him of boredom and have a little fun.
Plus seeing vegeta and goku interactions is fun,and beerus also,him running after them in the forest was amusing lol.
As for the universe thing,its fiction inconsistency etc.Nothing uncommon in DB universe or any other fictional verse,so dont worry.
It's an ongoing arrangement because the characters in question are popular and familiar enough with audiences to warrant their prolonged involvement. That's the only plausible explanation for Vegeta lapping up more screen time than Tenshinan or Piccolo ever did. Both characters also happened to share a similar commitment to fights, yet we don't hear much about them upturning every nook and cranny they can find for a source of power that would allow them to keep pace with Goku. The title of "deuteragonist" should have transitioned to a new successor by now.
From a personal standpoint, I couldn't care less about what happens to Vegeta. His only worth in my eyes is being the only relevant fighter left past Goku. I would sooner hope for Piccolo or Gohan to achieve something than wish for more Goku and Vegeta shenanigans.
