Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[ekrolo2]

Any feedback is welcomed.

Cell Arc

Spoiler:

Cell [Imperfect form]: 270,000,000
-- After energy absorptions: 480,000,000
-- Semi-Perfect form: 675,000,000
-- Full power: 840,000,000
-- Perfect form: 1,400,000,000
-- Power weighted form: 2,100,000,000

Future Trunks: 13,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 650,000,000
-- Super Saiyan Grade 2: 975,000,000
-- Super Saiyan Grade 3: 1,625,000,000

Vegeta: 14,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 700,000,000
-- Super Saiyan Grade 2: 1,050,000,000

Artificial Human No. 16: 480,000,000

Piccolo: 320,000,000
-- Without weighted clothes: 360,000,000

Artificial Human No. 17: 360,000,000
Artificial Human No. 18: 340,000,000
Kuririn: 500,000

Cell Games Arc

Spoiler:

Son Gohan: 60,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 3,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 [Enraged]: 7,500,000,000

Cell [Perfect form]: 2,700,000,000
-- Full power: 4,800,000,000
-- Power weighted form: 6,000,000,000
-- Zenkai boost: 7,200,000,000

Son Goku: 48,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 2,400,000,000

Cell Juniors: 1,800,000,000

Vegeta: 36,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 1,800,000,000

Future Trunks: 36,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 1,800,000,000

Piccolo: 1,500,000,000
Artificial Human No. 16: 480,000,000
Kuririn: 500,000
Tenshinhan: 300,000
Yamcha: 200,000
Mister Satan: 6.66
Pirozhki: 6
Caroni: 5.75

I don't think Cell is twice as strong as Goku. There's definitely a noticeable gap but I think it makes more sense for Goku to be closer to 60-70% of Cell's full power.

Any reason why you think that?

90% because I'm a power minimalist and a big between them would result in his SPC battle power being substantially higher than Gohan's which I don't think is the case. The remaining 10% because Goku still manages to tire Cell out somewhat after hitting him with the ki spam barrage and the Kamehameha.

[Khin]

My updated Power Level list.You're free to have your feedbacks.

Some notes
- I only follow the guidebooks statements,power levels if i felt like it and it doens't contradict anything.
- I did not take the Universal feats between SSjG Goku and Beerus into account in this PL list.
- The Potara fusion is so inconsistent,so i have no multiplier for it.
- I take the fillers that was in Kai as my ''canon'',but only if they don't contradict anything (ie.Base Vegetto being stronger than Gohan-Boo,Kaioshin's flashback etc.)

Multipliers
SSj : 50x Base
SSj Grade 2 : 65x Base
SSj Grade 3 : 100x Base
SSj2 : 100x Base
SSj3 : 400x Base
Fusion Dance : A x 10
Post God SSj : 1.25x Base
SSjBlue : 1.5x Base


Dragon Ball Minus/Pre Dragon Ball

Spoiler:

Bardock : 3,000
-- Oozaru : 30,000

Gine : 1,000
-- Oozaru : 10,000

King Vegeta : 12,000
-- Oozaru : 120,000

Kid Vegeta : 12,500
-- Oozaru : 125,000

Saiyans
-- Low Class : 3,000 and below
-- Mid Class : 3,000 to 8,000
-- Elite Class : 8,000 and above

Freeza : 530,000

Jaco : 100

Kid Goku : 6
-- Oozaru : 60

Granpa Gohan : 50

Saiyan Arc

Spoiler:

Part I - Raditz part

Son Goku : 334
-- Without weights : 416
-- Super Kamehameha : 924

Piccolo : 322
-- Without weights : 408
-- Makankosappo : 1,330

Raditz : 1,500
-- Oozaru : 15,000

Son Gohan : 1
-- Angry : 1,307

Farmer w/ shotgun : 5

Muten Roshi : 139

Kuririn : 206

Tenshinhan : 250

Yamcha : 177


Part II - Training on Kaio's planet

Enma-daio : 2,000

Kaio-sama : 3,500

Gregory : 1,000

Bubbles : 500


Part III - Saiyan's Arrival

Nappa : 4,000
-- Oozaru : 40,000

Saibaman : 1,200
-- Suicide Attack : 2,000

Tenshinhan : 1,830
-- One Hand Kikoho : 3,500

Kuririn : 1,083
-- Full Power : 1,770

Yamcha : 1,480

Chaozu : 610
-- Suicide Attack : 2,500

Piccolo : 1,220
-- Full Power : 3,500

Son Gohan : 981
-- Masenko : 2,800

Son Goku : 5,000
-- Full Power : 8,000
-- Kaioken : 16,000


Part IV - Final Battle

Vegeta : 18,000
-- Oozaru (Injured) : 50,000
-- Oozaru (Fully healed) : 180,000

Son Goku : 8,000
-- Kaioken : 16,000
-- Kaioken x3 : 24,000
-- Kaioken x4 : 32,000

Son Gohan : 2,800
-- Oozaru (Injured) : 5,000
-- Oozaru (Fully healed) : 28,000

Kuririn : 1,770
-- Mini Genki Dama : 10,000

Yajirobe : 970

Mister Popo : 1,030

Namek Arc

Spoiler:

Part I - Beginning

Vegeta : 24,000
-- Post Zenkai : 30,000

Zarbon : 23,000
-- Monster : - 29,000

Dodoria : 22,000

Kewi : 18,000

Kuririn : 1,500
-- Full Power : 2,000
-- Post Guru powerup : 13,000

Son Gohan : 1,500
-- Full Power : 3,000
-- Post Guru powerup : 14,000

Appule : 3,000

Freeza's mooks : 100 to 1,000

Namekians
-- Childrens : 5
-- Elders : 800
-- Farmers : 1,000
-- Warrior type : 3,000


Part II - Ginyu Force Part

Ginyu Force
-- Ghurd : 10,000
-- Recoome : 40,000
-- Butta : 40,000
-- Jheese : 40,000

Vegeta : 30,000
-- Post Zenkai : 250,000

Kuririn : 13,000
-- Battle with Ginyu : 24,000

Son Gohan : 14,000
-- Battle with Ginyu : 30,000

Son Goku : 9,000
-- Post Trainng : 90,000
-- Kaioken : 180,000
-- Kaioken x10 : 900,000
-- In Ginyu's Body : 10,000

Ginyu : 120,000
-- In Goku's Body : 23,000

Freeza : 530,000

Nail : 21,000
-- Full Power : 42,000

Freeza Saga

Spoiler:

Part I - Battle with Freeza

Freeza : 530,000
-- Second Form : 1,200,000
-- Third Form : 2,400,000
-- Initial Final Form : 3,000,000

Piccolo : 350,000
-- Merged with Nail : 1,400,000

Vegeta : 250,000
-- Post Sleep : 500,000
-- Post Zenkai : 2,500,000

Son Gohan : 200,000
-- Post Zenkai : 400,000

Kuririn : 75,000


Part II - Final Battle

Freeza : 3,000,000
-- 50% Final Form : 60,000,000
-- 70% Final Form : 84,000,000
-- 100% Final Form : 120,000,000

Son Goku : 3,000,000
-- Kaioken x10 : 30,000,000
-- Kaioken x20 : 60,000,000
-- Genki Dama : 75,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 150,000,000

Artificial Humans Arc

Spoiler:

Part I - Future Trunks' Arrival

Mecha Freeza : 60,000,000
-- Unseen Full Power : 150,000,000

King Cold : 50,000,000
-- Unseen Full Power : 100,000,000

Future Trunks : 3,600,000
-- Super Saiyan : 180,000,000

Son Goku : 3,500,000
-- Super Saiyan : 175,000,000

Vegeta : 3,000,000

Piccolo : 2,800,000

Son Gohan : 400,000

Kuririn : 250,000

Tenshinhan : 120,000

Yamcha : 50,000

Chaozu : 25,000


Part II - Android's Arrival

Android 17 : 400,000,000

Android 18 : 300,000,000

Imperfect Cell : 250,000,000
-- Ginger Town appearance : 280,000,000

Dr.Gero : 80,000,000
-- Post Absorption : 100,000,000

Android 19 : 50,000,000
-- Post Absorption : 120,000,000

Vegeta : 5,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 250,000,000
-- After being absorbed : 200,000,000

Son Goku : 4,800,000
-- Super Saiyan (Sick) : 200,000,000 and dropping
-- Super Saiyan (Healthy) : 240,000,000

Future Trunks : 4,200,000
-- Super Saiyan : 210,000,000

Piccolo : 20,000,000
-- Full Power : 200,000,000
-- Merged with Kami : 400,000,000

Son Gohan : 4,000,000

Kuririn : 500,000

Tenshinhan : 300,000

Yamcha : 100,000

Chaozu : 40,000

Cell Arc

Spoiler:

Part I - Battle with Cell

Cell : 280,000,000
-- Post Absorption : 600,000,000
-- Semi Perfect (Initial) : 900,000,000
-- Semi Perfect (Full Power): 1,000,000,000
-- Surpressed Perfect : 1,800,000,000
-- Buffed Up : 2,000,000,000

Android 16 : 600,000,000

Android 17 : 400,000,000

Piccolo : 400,000,000
-- Tired : 300,000,000
-- Light Grenade : 500,000,000

Tenshinhan : 300,000
-- Kikoho : 800,000,000

Future Trunks : 19,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 950,000,000
-- Second Grade Super Saiyan : 1,235,000,000
-- Third Grade Super Saiyan : 1,900,000,000

Vegeta : 20,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 1,000,000,000
-- Second Grade Super Saiyan : 1,300,000,000

Son Goku : 4,800,000
-- Super Saiyan : 280,000,000

Son Gohan : 4,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 200,000,000


Part II - Preparation for the Cell Games

Son Goku : 60,000,000
-- 50% Mastered Super Saiyan : 1,500,000,000


Part III - The Cell Games

Cell : 2,000,000,000
-- Against Goku : 3,250,000,000
-- Full Power : 4,000,000,000
-- Super Perfect : 8,000,000,000

Son Gohan : 70,000,000
-- Mastered Super Saiyan : 3,500,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 7,000,000,000
-- Angry : 8,000,000,000

Son Goku : 60,000,00
-- Mastered Super Saiyan : 3,000,000,000
-- Tired : 1,000,000,000

Cell Juniors : 2,000,000,000

Vegeta : 40,000,000
-- Mastered Super Saiyan : 2,000,000,000

Future Trunks : 39,000,000
-- Mastered Super Saiyan : 1,950,000,000

Piccolo : 1,500,000,000

Mister Satan : 6


Part IV - Trunks' return to his timeline

Future Trunks : 39,000,000
-- Three Years later : 50,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 2,500,000,000

Future Android 17 : 300,000,000

Future Android 18 : 200,000,000

Future Imperfect Cell : 250,000,000

Majin Boo Arc

Spoiler:

Part I - Gohan in highschool

Son Gohan : 70,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,500,000,000

Son Goten : 60,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,000,000,000

Videl : 6.2

Criminals : 5

Vegeta : 80,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 4,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 8,000,000,000

Trunks : 62,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,100,000,000


Part II - The 25th Tenkaichi Budokai (Junior Division)

Trunks : 64,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,200,000,000

Son Goten : 62,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,100,000,000

Idasa : 4

Ikosa : 4

Mister Satan : 6


Part III - Adults Division

Son Gohan : 72,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,600,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 7,200,000,000

Kaioshin : 5,000,000,000

Piccolo : 2,000,000,000

Kibito : 70,000,000

Videl : 8.2

Spopovich : 8.5

Yamu : 8.5

Android 18 : 300,000,000

Kuririn : 600,000

Punta : 5.4

Jewel : 5.8

Killer : 5.2

Mighty Mask (Real) : 5.1


Part IV - Battle on Babidi's spaceship

Babidi : 5

Dabra : 7,000,000,000

Yakon : 100,000,000

Pui Pui : 180,000

Babidi's unamed henchmens : 25,000

Son Gohan : 72,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,600,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 7,200,000,000

Son Goku : 90,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 4,500,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 9,000,000,000

Vegeta : 82,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 4,100,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 8,200,000,000
-- Majin powerup : 90,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 4,500,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 9,000,000,000


Part V - Boo Unsealed

Majin Boo : 8,000,000,000
-- Full Power : 25,000,000,000

Dabra : 7,000,000,000

Son Gohan : 72,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,600,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 7,200,000,000

Kaioshin : 5,000,000,000

Vegeta : 90,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 9,000,000,000
-- Suicide Attack : 30,000,000,000

Son Goku : 90,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 9,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3 : 36,000,000,000


Part VI

Majin Boo : 25,000,000,000
-- Good Boo : 10,000,000,000
-- Grey Boo : 15,000,000,000
-- Evil Boo : 250,000,000,000

Gotenks : 620,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 31,000,000,000

Son Gohan : 72,000,000
-- Post Z Sword Training : 73,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,650,000,000


Part VII - Battle on Room of Spirit and Time

Evil Boo : 250,000,000,000

Gotenks : 620,000,000
-- Post ROSAT : 700,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 35,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 70,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3 : 280,000,000,000

Son Goten : 62,000,000
-- Post ROSAT : 70,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,500,000,000

Trunks : 64,000,000
-- Post ROSAT : 70,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,500,000,000

Piccolo : 2,000,000,000


Part VIII - Ultimate Gohan's Arrival

Evil Boo : 250,000,000,000
-- Piccolo-Boo : 252,000,000,000
-- Gotenks-Boo : 530,000,000,000
-- Gohan-Boo : 650,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan : 400,000,000,000

Gotenks : 700,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3 : 280,000,000,000

Piccolo : 2,000,000,000


Part IX - The Potara Fusion

Gohan-Boo : 650,000,000,000

Vegetto : 700,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 35,000,000,000,000

Kibitoshin : 8,000,000,000


Part X - Battle on Boo's body

Gohan-Boo : 650,000,000,000
-- Evil Boo : 250,000,000,000
-- Buff Boo : 300,000,000,000
-- Pure Boo : 30,000,000,000

Son Goku : 90,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 4,500,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 9,000,000,000

Vegeta : 90,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 4,500,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 9,000,000,000

Gogeta (Hypothetical) : 900,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 45,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 90,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3 : 360,000,000,000


Part XI - Kaioshin's flashback

Pure Boo : 30,000,000,000
-- Buff Boo : 300,000,000,000
-- Innocent Boo : 25,000,000,000

Kaioshin of the South : 10,000,000,000

Kaioshin of the North : 5,000,000,000

Kaioshin of the West : 5,000,000,000

Kaioshin of the East : 4,000,000,000


Part XII - The Final Battle

Pure Boo : 30,000,000,000

Son Goku : 90,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3 : 36,000,000,000
-- Genki Dama : 40,000,000,000

Mr.Boo : 25,000,000,000

Vegeta : 90,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 9,000,000,000

Mister Satan : 6

Battle of Gods Arc

Spoiler:

Part I - Battle on Kaio's Planet

Beerus : 20,000,000,000,000

Son Goku : 100,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 5,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 10,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3 : 40,000,000,000

Vegetto (Hypothetical) : 800,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 40,000,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 80,000,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3 : 320,000,000,000,000


Part II - Bulma's Birthday Party

Beerus : 20,000,000,000,000
-- 10% Full Power : 100,000,000,000,000

Vegeta : 100,000,000
-- SUper Saiyan : 5,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 10,000,000,000
-- Angry : 25,000,000,000,000
-- Galick Gun : 50,000,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan : 400,000,000,000

Gotenks : 700,000,000

Piccolo : 2,500,000,000

Android 18 : 300,000,000

Tenshinhan : 400,000


Part III - The Final Battle

Beerus : 100,000,000,000,000
-- Against Goku : 450,000,000,000,000
-- Unseen Full Power : 1,000,000,000,000,000

Son Goku : 100,000,000
-- Super Saiyan God (Initial) : 100,000,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan God (Full Power) : 400,000,000,000,000
-- Post God Base : 320,000,000,000,000
-- Post God Super Saiyan : 400,000,000,000,000

Whis : 1,500,000,000,000,000

Revival of 'F' Arc

Spoiler:

Part I - Freeza's Arrival

Freeza : 530,000,000,000

Son Gohan : 4,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 200,000,000,000
-- Powering Up to make Goku feel his Ki : 400,000,000,000

Tagoma : 22,500
-- Post Training : 4,000,000,000
-- Full Power (Ginyu) : 40,000,000,000

Piccolo : 3,000,000,000

Gotenks : 700,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 35,000,000,000

Shisami : 30,000

Freeza's mooks : 100 to 1,000

Kuririn : 600,000

Tenshinhan : 500,000

Muten Roshi : 1,000
-- Max Power : 1,500

Jaco : 1,000


Part II - Main fight

Freeza : 530,000,000,000
-- Final Form : 500,000,000,000,000
-- Golden Form : 850,000,000,000,000
-- Tired : 520,000,000,000,000

Son Goku : 500,000,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan Blue : 750,000,000,000,000

Vegeta : 510,000,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan Blue : 765,000,000,000,000

Champa Arc

Spoiler:

Part I - Champa's Arrival

Whis : 1,500,000,000,000,000

Beerus : 1,000,000,000,000,000

Champa : 990,000,000,000,000

Vados : 1,520,000,000,000,000


Part II - Recruiting the other fighters

Son Gohan : 400,000,000,000

Piccolo : 450,000,000,000

Monaka : 930,000,000,000,000


Part III - The Tournament (First Match)

Son Goku : 600,000,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan Blue : 900,000,000,000,000

Botamo : Unknown for now


Part IV - Second Match

Piccolo : Unknown for now
-- Makankosappo : Unknown for now

Frost : Unknown for now

[Noah]

So sparring for a couple of months made Piccolo jump to a Cell Jr. tier to an above Ultimate Gohan-tier?

[Khin]

So sparring for a couple of months made Piccolo jump to a Cell Jr. tier to an above Ultimate Gohan-tier?

MSSj Goku tier to be exact,but i based it on the training session we saw in ep30.It is unclear whether Gohan is in base or in his ultimate state at that time,but i just put him to ultimate due to his hair.However,becoming 150x stronger in around eight months is nothing compared to Tagoma who become around 1.75 Million times stronger in 4 months .At least on my list.

[ekrolo2]

I really doubt Vegetto is above Boohan in his base form, if he was, why would he even bother with SSJ and more importantly, why would he be surprised by the fact he's trouncing him as badly as he is? Vegetto's entire plan is to goad Boohan into absorbing him, so why not infuriate him even more by trouncing him in his base form which is even worse than being beaten by a mere Super Saiyan if his base can pull it off?

With an x50 multiplier for SSJ, base Vegetto can get dropped all the way down to being on par with SSJ3 Goku and still have more than enough strength to murder stomp Boohan with less than half of his SSJ states power.

[Khin]

I really doubt Vegetto is above Boohan in his base form, if he was, why would he even bother with SSJ and more importantly, why would he be surprised by the fact he's trouncing him as badly as he is? Vegetto's entire plan is to goad Boohan into absorbing him, so why not infuriate him even more by trouncing him in his base form which is even worse than being beaten by a mere Super Saiyan if his base can pull it off?

With an x50 multiplier for SSJ, base Vegetto can get dropped all the way down to being on par with SSJ3 Goku and still have more than enough strength to murder stomp Boohan with less than half of his SSJ states power.

Base Vegetto is stronger than Gohan-Boo in my list,but not by much.A mere 7% gap can still make a difference especially for a guy like Boo who have many weird abilities.And Boo stated that he was still not in his full power when he got his ass kicked by Base Vegetto.
Even Vegetto himself is surprised by how badly he beats Gohan-Boo.

Spoiler:

Chapter: 505 (DBZ 311), P1.2
Context: after Vegetto outclasses Boo
Vegetto: “…Well, don’t feel too bad. Even I’m surprised. To think that I’d be able to make this big a fool out of you.”

Elder Kaioshin also stated that a hypothetical Goku/Gohan potara fusion would't need SSj to take down Gotenks-Boo

Spoiler:

Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P1.3
Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it
Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll probably be plee~~eenty. The Potara’s power is just that amazing!”

He also stated that Vegetto is the strongest,implying that Vegetto would be above than a hypothetical Goku and Gohan potara fusion.

Spoiler:

Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P9.2-3
Context: as Vegetto beats up on Gohan-absorbed Boo
Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely the strongest.”

[ekrolo2]

I really doubt Vegetto is above Boohan in his base form, if he was, why would he even bother with SSJ and more importantly, why would he be surprised by the fact he's trouncing him as badly as he is? Vegetto's entire plan is to goad Boohan into absorbing him, so why not infuriate him even more by trouncing him in his base form which is even worse than being beaten by a mere Super Saiyan if his base can pull it off?

With an x50 multiplier for SSJ, base Vegetto can get dropped all the way down to being on par with SSJ3 Goku and still have more than enough strength to murder stomp Boohan with less than half of his SSJ states power.

Base Vegetto is stronger than Gohan-Boo in my list,but not by much.A mere 7% gap can still make a difference especially for a guy like Boo who have many weird abilities.And Boo stated that he was still not in his full power when he got his ass kicked by Base Vegetto.
Even Vegetto himself is surprised by how badly he beats Gohan-Boo.

Spoiler:

Chapter: 505 (DBZ 311), P1.2
Context: after Vegetto outclasses Boo
Vegetto: “…Well, don’t feel too bad. Even I’m surprised. To think that I’d be able to make this big a fool out of you.”

Elder Kaioshin also stated that a hypothetical Goku/Gohan potara fusion would't need SSj to take down Gotenks-Boo

Spoiler:

Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P1.3
Context: Goku asks if he should become a Super Saiyan before merging with the Potara, and Elder Kaioshin advices against it
Elder Kaioshin: “If you’re going to become a Super Saiyan, it’s better to do it after merging. But anyway, even without doing that, you’ll probably be plee~~eenty. The Potara’s power is just that amazing!”

He also stated that Vegetto is the strongest,implying Vegetto would be above a hypothetical Goku and Gohan potara fusion.
Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P9.2-3

Spoiler:

Context: as Vegetto beats up on Gohan-absorbed Boo
Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely the strongest.”

Base Vegetto never fights Boo though, he immediately transforms upon fusing. His entire comment about being surprised he can murder stomp Boohan with such a low percentage of his SSJ strength doesn't make much sense at all if his base is already above or rivaling Boohan's maximum power. Now if his base form was considerably lower, then it would make sense for him to be surprised by how vast a difference SSJ is making.

The whole Gokhan vs Vegetto thing is whole other can of worms but I can't really see how a fusion of Gohan with his potential unlocked (which would most certainly transfer over to the newly formed fused being) and Goku could on any level be inferior to Vegetto. Especially since Gohan is leaps and bounds stronger than Vegeta. You could say their rival boost plays a big factor but Old Kai doesn't seem to think of it as anything but a side bonus, not the primary reason Vegetto's so strong.

[Khin]

Base Vegetto never fights Boo though, he immediately transforms upon fusing. His entire comment about being surprised he can murder stomp Boohan with such a low percentage of his SSJ strength doesn't make much sense at all if his base is already above or rivaling Boohan's maximum power. Now if his base form was considerably lower, then it would make sense for him to be surprised by how vast a difference SSJ is making.

The whole Gokhan vs Vegetto thing is whole other can of worms but I can't really see how a fusion of Gohan with his potential unlocked (which would most certainly transfer over to the newly formed fused being) and Goku could on any level be inferior to Vegetto. Especially since Gohan is leaps and bounds stronger than Vegeta. You could say their rival boost plays a big factor but Old Kai doesn't seem to think of it as anything but a side bonus, not the primary reason Vegetto's so strong.

You probably didn't noticed my note.

Spoiler:

Some Notes
- I take the fillers that was in Kai as my ''canon'',but only if they don't contradict anything (ie.Base Vegetto being stronger than Gohan-Boo,Kaioshin's flashback etc.)

It depends if you think Ultimate Gohan is Gohan's base.Based on Super and Elder Kaioshin,it seems that Gohan's Ultimate state is his own SSj-type powerup,but it doesn't have any strain that the SSj forms have.

Spoiler:

Chapter: 496 (DBZ 302), P4.1-2
Gohan: “Ho-how can I turn into this mightiest of warriors!?”
Elder Kaioshin: “You transform into that Super whatever-it-is a lot, right? You’ll be fine if you just get the gist of that, and throw in a kiai.”
Gohan: “The gist of Super Saiyan…I-I got it…!”

Spoiler:

Chapter: 496 (DBZ 302), P7.2-3
Context: after Gohan transforms into the ‘mightiest of warriors’
Goku: “It re-really is incredible…It’s super-duper…! Absolutely unbelievable…Your appearance has hardly changed…And you ain’t even a Super Saiyan…Yet you’ve been taken to su-such an extreme…”
Elder Kaioshin: “Hmph, transforming isn’t good. That Super whatever-its-called is the wrong way [of doing things]…”

[ekrolo2]

Base Vegetto never fights Boo though, he immediately transforms upon fusing. His entire comment about being surprised he can murder stomp Boohan with such a low percentage of his SSJ strength doesn't make much sense at all if his base is already above or rivaling Boohan's maximum power. Now if his base form was considerably lower, then it would make sense for him to be surprised by how vast a difference SSJ is making.

The whole Gokhan vs Vegetto thing is whole other can of worms but I can't really see how a fusion of Gohan with his potential unlocked (which would most certainly transfer over to the newly formed fused being) and Goku could on any level be inferior to Vegetto. Especially since Gohan is leaps and bounds stronger than Vegeta. You could say their rival boost plays a big factor but Old Kai doesn't seem to think of it as anything but a side bonus, not the primary reason Vegetto's so strong.

You probably didn't noticed my note.

Spoiler:

Some Notes
- I take the fillers that was in Kai as my ''canon'',but only if they don't contradict anything (ie.Base Vegetto being stronger than Gohan-Boo,Kaioshin's flashback etc.)

It depends if you think Ultimate Gohan is Gohan's base.Based on Super and Elder Kaioshin,it seems that Gohan's Ultimate state is his own SSj-type powerup,but it doesn't have any strain that the SSj forms have.

Spoiler:

Chapter: 496 (DBZ 302), P4.1-2
Gohan: “Ho-how can I turn into this mightiest of warriors!?”
Elder Kaioshin: “You transform into that Super whatever-it-is a lot, right? You’ll be fine if you just get the gist of that, and throw in a kiai.”
Gohan: “The gist of Super Saiyan…I-I got it…!”

Spoiler:

Chapter: 496 (DBZ 302), P7.2-3
Context: after Gohan transforms into the ‘mightiest of warriors’
Goku: “It re-really is incredible…It’s super-duper…! Absolutely unbelievable…Your appearance has hardly changed…And you ain’t even a Super Saiyan…Yet you’ve been taken to su-such an extreme…”
Elder Kaioshin: “Hmph, transforming isn’t good. That Super whatever-its-called is the wrong way [of doing things]…”

You're right, I didn't see the note lol. The topic of what Gohan's Ultimate form is weird, the manga pretty much treats it as his news base powered up to a level he'd only be able to attain by stacking up 3-4 transformations. Using the BoG movie doesn't really work for anything since Toriyama wrote him as an SSJ for the whole thing in the script. Still, regardless if its his base or a sort of power up, it would transfer over to Gokhan, giving him a massive advantage over Vegetto imo.

[Khin]

You're right, I didn't see the note lol. The topic of what Gohan's Ultimate form is weird, the manga pretty much treats it as his news base powered up to a level he'd only be able to attain by stacking up 3-4 transformations. Using the BoG movie doesn't really work for anything since Toriyama wrote him as an SSJ for the whole thing in the script. Still, regardless if its his base or a sort of power up, it would transfer over to Gokhan, giving him a massive advantage over Vegetto imo.

I don't think it transfers into anything,considering how inconsistent the potara fusion is.So even if you say U.Gohan is Gohan's base,that still doesn't mean he's going to be stronger than Vegetto.Kaioshin (Who is like an SSj tier) fused with Kibito but they were still implied to be weaker than SSj2 Vegeta.Meaning they only got like 2x stronger.If we follow the same formula for the potara,then Kibitoshin should be way above SSj2 Vegeta,but it was implied that he isn't.

[ekrolo2]

You're right, I didn't see the note lol. The topic of what Gohan's Ultimate form is weird, the manga pretty much treats it as his news base powered up to a level he'd only be able to attain by stacking up 3-4 transformations. Using the BoG movie doesn't really work for anything since Toriyama wrote him as an SSJ for the whole thing in the script. Still, regardless if its his base or a sort of power up, it would transfer over to Gokhan, giving him a massive advantage over Vegetto imo.

I don't think it transfers into anything,considering how inconsistent the potara fusion is.So even if you say U.Gohan is Gohan's base,that still doesn't mean he's going to be stronger than Vegetto.Kaioshin (Who is like an SSj tier) fused with Kibito but they were still implied to be weaker than SSj2 Vegeta.Meaning they only got like 2x stronger.If we follow the same formula for the potara,then Kibitoshin should be way above SSj2 Vegeta,but it was implied that he isn't.

I don't think the potara has a formula though. Unlike the dance which has certain requirements like height & similar levels of power, the potara can fuse anyone with anyone. I simply believe that Gohan's far stronger base form & potential unlock getting combined with Goku would result in a stronger fighter, primarily because of that unlock carrying over to the fusion.

[Khin]

I don't think the potara has a formula though. Unlike the dance which has certain requirements like height & similar levels of power, the potara can fuse anyone with anyone. I simply believe that Gohan's far stronger base form & potential unlock getting combined with Goku would result in a stronger fighter, primarily because of that unlock carrying over to the fusion.

As i said before,Elder Kaioshin states that Vegetto is the strongest implying that he is stronger than a Gokhan potara fusion.And you yourself stated that potara don't have any multiplier so Gohan can be leagues above Vegeta but the fusion result could still be weaker than Vegetto.Just like how Kaioshin is way above Base Goku and Vegeta but only ended up being a low SSj2 tier and way below than Base Vegetto.

Spoiler:

Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P9.2-3
Context: as Vegetto beats up on Gohan-absorbed Boo
Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely the strongest.”

[ZombieVito]

My updated Power Level list.You're free to have your feedbacks.

Some notes
- I only follow the guidebooks statements,power levels if i felt like it and it doens't contradict anything.
- I did not take the Universal feats between SSjG Goku and Beerus into account in this PL list.
- The Potara fusion is so inconsistent,so i have no multiplier for it.
- I take the fillers that was in Kai as my ''canon'',but only if they don't contradict anything (ie.Base Vegetto being stronger than Gohan-Boo,Kaioshin's flashback etc.)

Multipliers
SSj : 50x Base
SSj Grade 2 : 65x Base
SSj Grade 3 : 100x Base
SSj2 : 100x Base
SSj3 : 400x Base
Fusion Dance : A x 10
Post God SSj : 1.25x Base
SSjBlue : 1.5x Base


Dragon Ball Minus/Pre Dragon Ball

Spoiler:

Bardock : 3,000
-- Oozaru : 30,000

Gine : 1,000
-- Oozaru : 10,000

King Vegeta : 12,000
-- Oozaru : 120,000

Kid Vegeta : 12,500
-- Oozaru : 125,000

Saiyans
-- Low Class : 3,000 and below
-- Mid Class : 3,000 to 8,000
-- Elite Class : 8,000 and above

Freeza : 530,000

Jaco : 100

Kid Goku : 6
-- Oozaru : 60

Granpa Gohan : 50

Saiyan Arc

Spoiler:

Part I - Raditz part

Son Goku : 334
-- Without weights : 416
-- Super Kamehameha : 924

Piccolo : 322
-- Without weights : 408
-- Makankosappo : 1,330

Raditz : 1,500
-- Oozaru : 15,000

Son Gohan : 1
-- Angry : 1,307

Farmer w/ shotgun : 5

Muten Roshi : 139

Kuririn : 206

Tenshinhan : 250

Yamcha : 177


Part II - Training on Kaio's planet

Enma-daio : 2,000

Kaio-sama : 3,500

Gregory : 1,000

Bubbles : 500


Part III - Saiyan's Arrival

Nappa : 4,000
-- Oozaru : 40,000

Saibaman : 1,200
-- Suicide Attack : 2,000

Tenshinhan : 1,830
-- One Hand Kikoho : 3,500

Kuririn : 1,083
-- Full Power : 1,770

Yamcha : 1,480

Chaozu : 610
-- Suicide Attack : 2,500

Piccolo : 1,220
-- Full Power : 3,500

Son Gohan : 981
-- Masenko : 2,800

Son Goku : 5,000
-- Full Power : 8,000
-- Kaioken : 16,000


Part IV - Final Battle

Vegeta : 18,000
-- Oozaru (Injured) : 50,000
-- Oozaru (Fully healed) : 180,000

Son Goku : 8,000
-- Kaioken : 16,000
-- Kaioken x3 : 24,000
-- Kaioken x4 : 32,000

Son Gohan : 2,800
-- Oozaru (Injured) : 5,000
-- Oozaru (Fully healed) : 28,000

Kuririn : 1,770
-- Mini Genki Dama : 10,000

Yajirobe : 970

Mister Popo : 1,030

Namek Arc

Spoiler:

Part I - Beginning

Vegeta : 24,000
-- Post Zenkai : 30,000

Zarbon : 23,000
-- Monster : - 29,000

Dodoria : 22,000

Kewi : 18,000

Kuririn : 1,500
-- Full Power : 2,000
-- Post Guru powerup : 13,000

Son Gohan : 1,500
-- Full Power : 3,000
-- Post Guru powerup : 14,000

Appule : 3,000

Freeza's mooks : 100 to 1,000

Namekians
-- Childrens : 5
-- Elders : 800
-- Farmers : 1,000
-- Warrior type : 3,000


Part II - Ginyu Force Part

Ginyu Force
-- Ghurd : 10,000
-- Recoome : 40,000
-- Butta : 40,000
-- Jheese : 40,000

Vegeta : 30,000
-- Post Zenkai : 250,000

Kuririn : 13,000
-- Battle with Ginyu : 24,000

Son Gohan : 14,000
-- Battle with Ginyu : 30,000

Son Goku : 9,000
-- Post Trainng : 90,000
-- Kaioken : 180,000
-- Kaioken x10 : 900,000
-- In Ginyu's Body : 10,000

Ginyu : 120,000
-- In Goku's Body : 23,000

Freeza : 530,000

Nail : 21,000
-- Full Power : 42,000

Freeza Saga

Spoiler:

Part I - Battle with Freeza

Freeza : 530,000
-- Second Form : 1,200,000
-- Third Form : 2,400,000
-- Initial Final Form : 3,000,000

Piccolo : 350,000
-- Merged with Nail : 1,400,000

Vegeta : 250,000
-- Post Sleep : 500,000
-- Post Zenkai : 2,500,000

Son Gohan : 200,000
-- Post Zenkai : 400,000

Kuririn : 75,000


Part II - Final Battle

Freeza : 3,000,000
-- 50% Final Form : 60,000,000
-- 70% Final Form : 84,000,000
-- 100% Final Form : 120,000,000

Son Goku : 3,000,000
-- Kaioken x10 : 30,000,000
-- Kaioken x20 : 60,000,000
-- Genki Dama : 75,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 150,000,000

Artificial Humans Arc

Spoiler:

Part I - Future Trunks' Arrival

Mecha Freeza : 60,000,000
-- Unseen Full Power : 150,000,000

King Cold : 50,000,000
-- Unseen Full Power : 100,000,000

Future Trunks : 3,600,000
-- Super Saiyan : 180,000,000

Son Goku : 3,500,000
-- Super Saiyan : 175,000,000

Vegeta : 3,000,000

Piccolo : 2,800,000

Son Gohan : 400,000

Kuririn : 250,000

Tenshinhan : 120,000

Yamcha : 50,000

Chaozu : 25,000


Part II - Android's Arrival

Android 17 : 400,000,000

Android 18 : 300,000,000

Imperfect Cell : 250,000,000
-- Ginger Town appearance : 280,000,000

Dr.Gero : 80,000,000
-- Post Absorption : 100,000,000

Android 19 : 50,000,000
-- Post Absorption : 120,000,000

Vegeta : 5,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 250,000,000
-- After being absorbed : 200,000,000

Son Goku : 4,800,000
-- Super Saiyan (Sick) : 200,000,000 and dropping
-- Super Saiyan (Healthy) : 240,000,000

Future Trunks : 4,200,000
-- Super Saiyan : 210,000,000

Piccolo : 20,000,000
-- Full Power : 200,000,000
-- Merged with Kami : 400,000,000

Son Gohan : 4,000,000

Kuririn : 500,000

Tenshinhan : 300,000

Yamcha : 100,000

Chaozu : 40,000

Cell Arc

Spoiler:

Part I - Battle with Cell

Cell : 280,000,000
-- Post Absorption : 600,000,000
-- Semi Perfect : 1,000,000,000
-- Surpressed Perfect : 1,600,000,000
-- Buffed Up : 2,000,000,000

Android 16 : 600,000,000

Android 17 : 400,000,000

Piccolo : 400,000,000
-- Tired : 300,000,000
-- Light Grenade : 500,000,000

Tenshinhan : 300,000
-- Kikoho : 800,000,000

Future Trunks : 19,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 950,000,000
-- Second Grade Super Saiyan : 1,235,000,000
-- Third Grade Super Saiyan : 1,900,000,000

Vegeta : 20,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 1,000,000,000
-- Second Grade Super Saiyan : 1,300,000,000

Son Goku : 4,800,000
-- Super Saiyan : 280,000,000

Son Gohan : 4,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 200,000,000


Part II - Preparation for the Cell Games

Son Goku : 60,000,000
-- 50% Mastered Super Saiyan : 1,500,000,000


Part III - The Cell Games

Cell : 2,000,000,000
-- Against Goku : 3,250,000,000
-- Full Power : 4,000,000,000
-- Super Perfect : 8,000,000,000

Son Gohan : 70,000,000
-- Mastered Super Saiyan : 3,500,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 7,000,000,000
-- Angry : 8,000,000,000

Son Goku : 60,000,00
-- Mastered Super Saiyan : 3,000,000,000
-- Tired : 1,000,000,000

Cell Juniors : 2,000,000,000

Vegeta : 40,000,000
-- Mastered Super Saiyan : 2,000,000,000

Future Trunks : 39,000,000
-- Mastered Super Saiyan : 1,950,000,000

Piccolo : 1,500,000,000

Mister Satan : 6


Part IV - Trunks' return to his timeline

Future Trunks : 39,000,000
-- Three Years later : 50,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 2,500,000,000

Future Android 17 : 300,000,000

Future Android 18 : 200,000,000

Future Imperfect Cell : 250,000,000

Majin Boo Arc

Spoiler:

Part I - Gohan in highschool

Son Gohan : 70,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,500,000,000

Son Goten : 60,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,000,000,000

Videl : 6.2

Criminals : 5

Vegeta : 80,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 4,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 8,000,000,000

Trunks : 62,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,100,000,000


Part II - The 25th Tenkaichi Budokai (Junior Division)

Trunks : 64,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,200,000,000

Son Goten : 62,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,100,000,000

Idasa : 4

Ikosa : 4

Mister Satan : 6


Part III - Adults Division

Son Gohan : 72,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,600,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 7,200,000,000

Kaioshin : 5,000,000,000

Piccolo : 2,000,000,000

Kibito : 70,000,000

Videl : 8.2

Spopovich : 8.5

Yamu : 8.5

Android 18 : 300,000,000

Kuririn : 600,000

Punta : 5.4

Jewel : 5.8

Killer : 5.2

Mighty Mask (Real) : 5.1


Part IV - Battle on Babidi's spaceship

Babidi : 5

Dabra : 7,000,000,000

Yakon : 100,000,000

Pui Pui : 180,000

Babidi's unamed henchmens : 25,000

Son Gohan : 72,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,600,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 7,200,000,000

Son Goku : 90,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 4,500,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 9,000,000,000

Vegeta : 82,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 4,100,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 8,200,000,000
-- Majin powerup : 90,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 4,500,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 9,000,000,000


Part V - Boo Unsealed

Majin Boo : 8,000,000,000
-- Full Power : 25,000,000,000

Dabra : 7,000,000,000

Son Gohan : 72,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,600,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 7,200,000,000

Kaioshin : 5,000,000,000

Vegeta : 90,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 9,000,000,000
-- Suicide Attack : 30,000,000,000

Son Goku : 90,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 9,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3 : 36,000,000,000


Part VI

Majin Boo : 25,000,000,000
-- Good Boo : 10,000,000,000
-- Grey Boo : 15,000,000,000
-- Evil Boo : 250,000,000,000

Gotenks : 620,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 31,000,000,000

Son Gohan : 72,000,000
-- Post Z Sword Training : 73,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,650,000,000


Part VII - Battle on Room of Spirit and Time

Evil Boo : 250,000,000,000

Gotenks : 620,000,000
-- Post ROSAT : 700,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 35,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 70,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3 : 280,000,000,000

Son Goten : 62,000,000
-- Post ROSAT : 70,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,500,000,000

Trunks : 64,000,000
-- Post ROSAT : 70,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 3,500,000,000

Piccolo : 2,000,000,000


Part VIII - Ultimate Gohan's Arrival

Evil Boo : 250,000,000,000
-- Piccolo-Boo : 252,000,000,000
-- Gotenks-Boo : 530,000,000,000
-- Gohan-Boo : 650,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan : 400,000,000,000

Gotenks : 700,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3 : 280,000,000,000

Piccolo : 2,000,000,000


Part IX - The Potara Fusion

Gohan-Boo : 650,000,000,000

Vegetto : 700,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 35,000,000,000,000

Kibitoshin : 8,000,000,000


Part X - Battle on Boo's body

Gohan-Boo : 650,000,000,000
-- Evil Boo : 250,000,000,000
-- Buff Boo : 300,000,000,000
-- Pure Boo : 30,000,000,000

Son Goku : 90,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 4,500,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 9,000,000,000

Vegeta : 90,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 4,500,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 9,000,000,000

Gogeta (Hypothetical) : 900,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 45,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 90,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3 : 360,000,000,000


Part XI - Kaioshin's flashback

Pure Boo : 30,000,000,000
-- Buff Boo : 300,000,000,000
-- Innocent Boo : 25,000,000,000

Kaioshin of the South : 10,000,000,000

Kaioshin of the North : 5,000,000,000

Kaioshin of the West : 5,000,000,000

Kaioshin of the East : 4,000,000,000


Part XII - The Final Battle

Pure Boo : 30,000,000,000

Son Goku : 90,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3 : 36,000,000,000
-- Genki Dama : 40,000,000,000

Mr.Boo : 25,000,000,000

Vegeta : 90,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 9,000,000,000

Mister Satan : 6

Battle of Gods Arc

Spoiler:

Part I - Battle on Kaio's Planet

Beerus : 20,000,000,000,000

Son Goku : 100,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 5,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 10,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3 : 40,000,000,000

Vegetto (Hypothetical) : 800,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 40,000,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 80,000,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3 : 320,000,000,000,000


Part II - Bulma's Birthday Party

Beerus : 20,000,000,000,000
-- 10% Full Power : 100,000,000,000,000

Vegeta : 100,000,000
-- SUper Saiyan : 5,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2 : 10,000,000,000
-- Angry : 25,000,000,000,000
-- Galick Gun : 50,000,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan : 400,000,000,000

Gotenks : 700,000,000

Piccolo : 2,500,000,000

Android 18 : 300,000,000

Tenshinhan : 400,000


Part III - The Final Battle

Beerus : 100,000,000,000,000
-- Against Goku : 450,000,000,000,000
-- Unseen Full Power : 1,000,000,000,000,000

Son Goku : 100,000,000
-- Super Saiyan God (Initial) : 100,000,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan God (Full Power) : 400,000,000,000,000
-- Post God Base : 320,000,000,000,000
-- Post God Super Saiyan : 400,000,000,000,000

Whis : 1,500,000,000,000,000

Revival of 'F' Arc

Spoiler:

Part I - Freeza's Arrival

Freeza : 530,000,000,000

Son Gohan : 4,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 200,000,000,000
-- Powering Up to make Goku feel his Ki : 400,000,000,000

Tagoma : 22,500
-- Post Training : 4,000,000,000
-- Full Power (Ginyu) : 40,000,000,000

Piccolo : 3,000,000,000

Gotenks : 700,000,000
-- Super Saiyan : 35,000,000,000

Shisami : 30,000

Freeza's mooks : 100 to 1,000

Kuririn : 600,000

Tenshinhan : 500,000

Muten Roshi : 1,000
-- Max Power : 1,500

Jaco : 1,000


Part II - Main fight

Freeza : 530,000,000,000
-- Final Form : 450,000,000,000,000
-- Golden Form : 850,000,000,000,000
-- Tired : 520,000,000,000,000

Son Goku : 500,000,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan Blue : 750,000,000,000,000

Vegeta : 510,000,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan Blue : 765,000,000,000,000

Champa Arc

Spoiler:

Part I - Champa's Arrival

Whis : 1,500,000,000,000,000

Beerus : 1,000,000,000,000,000

Champa : 990,000,000,000,000

Vados : 1,520,000,000,000,000


Part II - Recruiting the other fighters

Son Gohan : 400,000,000,000

Piccolo : 450,000,000,000

Monaka : 930,000,000,000,000


Part III - The Tournament (First Match)

Son Goku : 600,000,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan Blue : 900,000,000,000,000

Botamo : Unknown for now


Part IV - Second Match

Piccolo : Unknown for now
-- Makankosappo : Unknown for now

Frost : Unknown for now

- King Vegeta was stated to be stronger than his son in one Daizenshuu.
- Don't you think you should bump Freeza's soldiers? They laugh at power levels of 1,000.
- I don't think Vegeta was at 250,000 in te Ginyu arc. He treated Goku as a superior still.
- Where are second form Freeza's power ups?
- Freeza's third form that close to Vegeta?
- Trunks stronger than Yadart Goku?
- Where is Semi Cell power up?
- I didn't want to talk about gaps but I really need to ask this. Don't you think SSJG2 Vegeta and Perfect Cell are too close? He did tank a kick to the neck.
- Kaioshin shouldn't be stronger than SSJ Goku. He was about to kill him at the Budokai.
- Shouldn't Piccolo be already stronger than the kids by RoF? That's the last time Vegeta and Goku saw him.
- Also any reason why Piccolo got more gains in 5 years (Buu -> RoF) than in 7 (Cell -> Buu)?
- The narrator for episode 25 said that Goku needed SSB to "surpass" final form Freeza. They should be equals base on this.

[Khin]

- King Vegeta was stated to be stronger than his son in one Daizenshuu.
- Don't you think you should bump Freeza's soldiers? They laugh at power levels of 1,000.
- I don't think Vegeta was at 250,000 in te Ginyu arc. He treated Goku as a superior still.
- Where are second form Freeza's power ups?
- Freeza's third form that close to Vegeta?
- Trunks stronger than Yadart Goku?
- Where is Semi Cell power up?
- I didn't want to talk about gaps but I really need to ask this. Don't you think SSJG2 Vegeta and Perfect Cell are too close? He did tank a kick to the neck.
- Kaioshin shouldn't be stronger than SSJ Goku. He was about to kill him at the Budokai.
- Shouldn't Piccolo be already stronger than the kids by RoF? That's the last time Vegeta and Goku saw him.
- Also any reason why Piccolo got more gains in 5 years (Buu -> RoF) than in 7 (Cell -> Buu)?
- The narrator for episode 25 said that Goku needed SSB to "surpass" final form Freeza. They should be equals base on this.

- I don't remember that thing in the Daizenshuu but Vegeta flat out stated that he surpassed his father back when he was still a kid.

Spoiler:

Chapter: 296 (DBZ 102), P2.2-3, P3.1
Context: still talking about Freeza’s transformations
Vegeta: “Don’t be scared, he’s bluffing…he won’t change that much.”
Freeza: “Oh, is that right? Look vee—eery closely. This isn’t something you get to see very often. Even when I attacked Planet Vegeta, where the Saiyans lived, and fought with the king, I was able to win without any need to transform whatsoever…Vegeta…your father wasn’t anything special.”
Vegeta: “Chih…! Don’t feel too good about yourself over that…I already surpassed the king’s power back when I was a kid…!”

- They were multiple soldiers there,so they a 3 guys with a PL of 1,000 would be nothing to around 10 guys who have a PL of around 100 to 1,000.And some of the mooks got wrecked by Namekians who isn't a warrior type.
- That PL comes from the V-Jump.And Vegeta knows that Goku have a kaioken,which at least a 4x would make Goku surpass him.
- I personally don't like power up things and will just go straight to the full power,that's why i also don't have those boost that Goku received in BOG and some rage boost for Gohan in the Freeza arc.
- I personally have no problem with it.
- It was very unclear who is stronger than the two at that time so it's up to you who you have as stronger.

Spoiler:

Chapter: 334 (DBZ 140), P13.3-5
Context: after Trunks and Goku fight
Trunks: “As expected, the rumors were true. No, you’re even greater…This was the sword that cut even Freeza…”
Goku: “You weren’t serious, after all.”

- As i stated before,i don't power up things,but i'll add it.
- As 23% Gap is pretty big,but you're kinda right,i''ll rise it up a bit.
- Kaioshin is pretty inconsistent,but he only realized that he was surpassed by mortals after sensing Vegeta and Goku as an SSj2.
- The gap between Piccolo and the kids aren't that all big since i doubt the kids get any stronger after they trained in the ROSAT.And also,i don't think Vegeta was reffering to power stuff at that time,if so,then Goku should have picked Gohan instead of Piccolo because he is way stronger than Piccolo even though Gohan is very rusty.It more of like a skills stuff.Piccolo is obviously more skilled and have more experience than the kids.
- BOG is 6 years after Boo + around 1 year in the ROF,so the time is pretty much the same.
- Just checked Herms thread about it and you're right.I lost interest in the main fight of the ROF arc so i stopped watching that's why i don't know about it.

[Kaboom]

Vegeta surpassing his father "as a kid" doesn't necessarily mean "when he was still alive before Planet Vegeta was destroyed." Vegeta was only 5 years old at the time. He had plenty of "kid" years left to gradually grow towards his 18,000 PL on Earth and eventually surpass the late king. Something like...

Age 737 (Planet Vegeta's destruction)
Vegeta Sr: 12,000
Vegeta Jr (5): 6,000

Age 740
Vegeta Jr (9): 9,000

Age 743
Vegeta Jr (12): 12,0001 *celebratory fanfare*

[ZombieVito]

- But that's it. We don't know when exactly Vegeta surpassed his father but we do know thanks to the guide that King Vegeta was stronger until he died.
- Freeza powered up by a good deal by Piccolo's comments but Vegeta was still sure to beat him. There's has to be a gap between his 3rd and final forms.
- Now that you bumped Perfect Cell you should bump Vegeta and Trunks in the CG.
- Goku still intimidated Kaioshin with SSJ though.
- Vegeta made it very clear that power was the deciding factor when choosing the participants. Goku didn't pick Gohan because he knows he doesn't like fighting.
- 6!? Isn't BoG 4 years after Buu?

[ekrolo2]

I would actually argue that third form Freeza is only at about 1.5 million. To assume that another Zenkai would give him the power he felt he needed to beat whatever he assumed Freeza's final form was capable of, Vegeta must've noticed a pattern. Well, if that pattern includes Freeza's power increasing roughly by half a million after every transformation, his final form would be at about 2 million, a good chunk beneath where Vegeta estimated his last Zenkai would put him.

That's the only way I can rationalize Freeza's initial final form being at around 3 million and Vegeta thinking he could still win: by nerfing Freeza's pre-final form strength gains a smidge.

[ahill1]

2,000,000 is the absolutely minimum for 3rd Form Freeza I'd say. My Freeza saga power levels:


Kuririn - 300,000

Vegeta (after resting, full power burst) - 500,000

Freeza (full power, infuriated) - 530,000
- (transformed) - 1,060,000
- (powered up further) - 1,200,000
- (full strength) - 1,400,000
- (transformed again) - 2,000,000
- (initial true form) - 3,100,000
- (embarassing Vegeta) - 4,400,000
- (50%) - 100,000,000

Son Gohan - 400,000
- (enranged) - 1,000,000
- (full power assault) - 1,100,000
- (healed) - 1,000,000
- (aggravated) - 1,700,000
- (Full-power Massive Masenko) - 1,920,000

Piccolo (assimilation, weighted) - 1,250,000
- (unweighted) - 1,500,000

Vegeta (massive auto-evolution) - 3,000,000

Son Goku (healed) - 4,300,000
- (Kaio-ken x 10) - 43,000,000
- (Kaio-ken x 20) - 86,000,000
- (Kamehameha) - 96,000,000
- (chi dropping after burst) - 1,500,000
- (Genki Dama) - 120,000,000

SSJ Son Goku - 215,000,000
- (Kamehameha) - 534,000,000

Freeza (after Genki Dama) - 77,000,000
- (70% chi burst) - 140,000,000
- (100%) - 200,000,000
- (Force Field) - 537,500,000
- (worn down) - 175,000,000
- (sliced in half) - 1,000
- (Goku's energy donated) - 33,000,000
- (desperation blast) - 66,000,000
- (reduced to residue) - 500

[ZombieVito]

Not necessarily.

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 3,000,000
-- Kaioken x10: 30,000,000
-- Kaioken x20: 60,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 150,000,000

Freeza [3rd suppression]: 530,000
-- 2nd suppression: 800,000
-- Power up [vs Son Gohan]: 950,000
-- Full power: 1,200,000
-- 1st suppression: 1,800,000
-- True form: 3,600,000
-- 50% of full power: 60,000,000
-- 70% of full power: 84,000,000
-- Full power: 120,000,000

Vegeta: 250,000
-- Zenkai boost [vs True form Freeza]: 2,400,000

Son Gohan: 200,000
-- Enraged [vs 2nd suppression Freeza]: 700,000
-- Zenkai boost [vs 1st suppression Freeza]: 400,000
-- Enraged [vs 1st suppression Freeza]: 1,600,000

Piccolo: 120,000
-- After assimilating Nail: 1,000,000
-- Without weighted clothes: 1,200,000
-- With Son Gohan and Kuririn’s energy: 1,500,000

Kuririn: 75,000

[ahill1]

Not necessarily.

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 3,000,000
-- Kaioken x10: 30,000,000
-- Kaioken x20: 60,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 150,000,000

Freeza [3rd suppression]: 530,000
-- 2nd suppression: 800,000
-- Power up [vs Son Gohan]: 950,000
-- Full power: 1,200,000
-- 1st suppression: 1,800,000
-- True form: 3,600,000
-- 50% of full power: 60,000,000
-- 70% of full power: 84,000,000
-- Full power: 120,000,000

Vegeta: 250,000
-- Zenkai boost [vs True form Freeza]: 2,400,000

Son Gohan: 200,000
-- Enraged [vs 2nd suppression Freeza]: 700,000
-- Zenkai boost [vs 1st suppression Freeza]: 400,000
-- Enraged [vs 1st suppression Freeza]: 1,600,000

Piccolo: 120,000
-- After assimilating Nail: 1,000,000
-- Without weighted clothes: 1,200,000
-- With Son Gohan and Kuririn’s energy: 1,500,000

Kuririn: 75,000

Well this is going with the notion that Freeza meant his full power to be over a million, which I respectfully disagree with.