"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Xeztin]

I think at this point Eoz will be rewritten, especially since Bulma wasn't supposed to see Goku for a few years I believe. They might retcon it and not even mean to. Toriyama himself doesn't care about continuity. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they rewritten the eoz and go beyond that. He's already Retconned buus origin 18 years after the manga ended. The ending was slightly changed in Kanzenban as well. I don't see why rewriting the Eoz would be a problem. The only ones that would care are us here on Kanzenshuu and even we would have to get over it. They can still introduce Uub and completely rewrite the EOZ. Heck they might meet differently than at the tourney. I can almost guarentee you we will be going way beyond champas tourney though. Too much set up and foreshadowing to end it there. Also Heroes is booming and hasnt slacked off in the latest. I wouldn't doubt it if its success was what brought us Super since people seen that db was still a big thing. Heroes came out way before BOG and its been doing amazing on its own.

[Skar]

I think at this point Eoz will be rewritten, especially since Bulma wasn't supposed to see Goku for a few years I believe. They might retcon it and not even mean to. Toriyama himself doesn't care about continuity. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they rewritten the eoz and go beyond that. He's already Retconned buus origin 18 years after the manga ended. The ending was slightly changed in Kanzenban as well. I don't see why rewriting the Eoz would be a problem. The only ones that would care are us here on Kanzenshuu and even we would have to get over it. They can still introduce Uub and completely rewrite the EOZ. Heck they might meet differently than at the tourney.

I still don't understand what's the point of changing the ending. We know Goku and Uub are going to meet eventually so why would Toriyama go to the trouble of just changing the time and place? Would Goku just fly to his village and offer to train him instead? If Toriyama decided he doesn't like Uub and wants to retcon him out of the story completely or he decided to make Uub a different species then that would at least result in a different outcome. Changing the time and place would have the same outcome of Goku eventually meeting Uub. This isn't even necessary to continue the story when he could just have a timeskip going past EoZ.

I can almost guarentee you we will be going way beyond champas tourney though. Too much set up and foreshadowing to end it there. Also Heroes is booming and hasnt slacked off in the latest. I wouldn't doubt it if its success was what brought us Super since people seen that db was still a big thing. Heroes came out way before BOG and its been doing amazing on its own.

Could you provide sources that Heroes is booming? If you look at Bandai's numbers posted a few pages ago, Heroes didn't really cause them to skyrocket since it's been released. Heroes can't really continue on for that many years. I'm pretty sure the manga and games have already covered most of the sagas and movies. It seems like a way to include as many characters, power-ups, and transformations as they can but realistically they're going to run out eventually. It's probably easier to come up with a list of characters they haven't included yet or Saiyans that haven't unlocked every SSJ transformation.

[WhisPL]

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[Noah]

Even agreeing with the fact EoZ is kinda lame, I don't want to be rewriten, if Super want to go in an alternate route contradicting EoZ, it's okay... It will be enjoyable but non canon.

[Kuririn Fan]

Even agreeing with the fact EoZ is kinda lame, I don't want to be rewriten, if Super want to go in an alternate route contradicting EoZ, it's okay... But it will be enjoyable but non canon.

Yes, people don't understand that that'll make Super non canon, the ending is in the manga, Z and Kai.

[Wezenheim]

I just want Super to make the ending feel more satisfying, maybe give Oob a bit more meaning.

[Alruneia]

It'd be great if Super could reach EoZ and improve that part of the story. My stance is still (like I state in my signature) that if Super contradicts EoZ, no matter how lame or cool EoZ is, Super will be non-canon. I wouldn't worry about that just yet, though, as the only real issues are Bulla and the five years line maybe an exaggeration? right now. Most of the other plotholes can probably be explained away one way or another, I think.
Of course, Toriyama could easily come out at any moment and say that EoZ no longer counts. I'm really not hoping for that to happen, but he's added and changed things before, such as the androids and cyborgs' backstories.

[kinisking]

Even agreeing with the fact EoZ is kinda lame, I don't want to be rewriten, if Super want to go in an alternate route contradicting EoZ, it's okay... But it will be enjoyable but non canon.

Yes, people don't understand that that'll make Super non canon, the ending is in the manga, Z and Kai.

It will still be canon if it's akira toriyama's work. He can easily retcon it.

[Kuririn Fan]

Even agreeing with the fact EoZ is kinda lame, I don't want to be rewriten, if Super want to go in an alternate route contradicting EoZ, it's okay... But it will be enjoyable but non canon.

Yes, people don't understand that that'll make Super non canon, the ending is in the manga, Z and Kai.

It will still be canon if it's akira toriyama's work. He can easily retcon it.

But retconing the manga, just for this shitty new series would be weird.

[kinisking]

But retconing the manga, just for this shitty new series would be weird.

That ending is shittier than this series anyways.

[emperior]

It's not like EoZ is difficult to retcon, just change that Bulma's line about not having seen Goku for 5 years and there you go, EoZ retconned but still the same as before.

[kinisking]

It's not like EoZ is difficult to retcon, just change that Bulma's line about not having seen Goku for 5 years and there you go, EoZ retconned but still the same as before.

That's true, but why doesnt he take him to beerus's planet. ...Unless they're in universe 6!

[emperior]

It's not like EoZ is difficult to retcon, just change that Bulma's line about not having seen Goku for 5 years and there you go, EoZ retconned but still the same as before.

That's true, but why doesnt he take him to beerus's planet. ...Unless they're in universe 6!

It's never mentioned where Goku and Uub go if I remember correctly. And the point of Uub was to have an ending to DBZ where we see Goku is still training and forever will, and he even has his own disciple. Maybe Toriyama intends to keep that as an ending, or maybe he finally feels its time to give a proper ending to the franchise so fans can finally get over the series.

In my opinion the most fitting ending is a third death-battle battle of Goku vs Vegeta (only once they are the strongest beings across the 12 universes)
Their battle is also mentioned in DBO's timeline. At least it's a fitting ending for Goku's story, then if Toei/AT want to continue with the series they can tell other universes' stories or other timelines' stories.

[alakazam^]

I think Goku only says that he is too young to participate, not that he's a newborn.

He says he had just been born. Of course, this could mean he has been born for one year or two tops but four or five is pushing it.

[Retan]

Wouldn't that be another retcon, as isn't he supposed to be like five or six years older then Pan?

[Chuquita]

Maybe they'll retcon Uub to be the same age as Pan? I don't know what that would accomplish though unless it's to have a full replacement set of "two kids the same age" like Goten and Trunks.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Isn't it Vegeta that mentions that if Uub has only just been born, he'd be too young to participate? While Goku only tells him that Enma said Buu was reincarnated? That wouldn't actually imply an age then, because Vegeta has no idea when Enma actually reincarnated the soul or when he told Goku.

[SaiyanZ]

I think Goku says he's too young first, but I could be wrong

[Araki]

Isn't it Vegeta that mentions that if Uub has only just been born, he'd be too young to participate? While Goku only tells him that Enma said Buu was reincarnated? That wouldn't actually imply an age then, because Vegeta has no idea when Enma actually reincarnated the soul or when he told Goku.

You're right, it's Vegeta. Goku just replies with a "yeah, i guess..."

[Sora Saiyan]

Even agreeing with the fact EoZ is kinda lame, I don't want to be rewriten, if Super want to go in an alternate route contradicting EoZ, it's okay... But it will be enjoyable but non canon.

Yes, people don't understand that that'll make Super non canon, the ending is in the manga, Z and Kai.

That's not the case, as Toriyama said in 'Volume F'.

I guess you could say that some things are difficult for anyone but the original author to write, because only the original author can freely mess around with what’s already been established. A scriptwriter would get tied up trying not to screw with the original story, so in that respect they’d probably have a harder time messing around with things.