"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Xeztin]

It's probably going to be SSJ Gold with Blue's aura, (to distinguish it from normal SSJ) and Blue will be a stronger power up. This really has everyone tore upside down including myself

[SSJGBGoku]

According to this picture which was posted few pages earlier , Goku will use SSJ (Yellow) and Vegeta also maybe . Reasons remains though , why ?

[Xeztin]

I hope they give an explanation in the anime and not just brush it off. We haven't even got a full explanation of the Blue version yet.

[Neon Z]

My one hope is that their Super Saiyan forms are now stronger than their Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan forms from the previous arc.

That makes no sense. SSJ Blue = SSJ + God Ki. If he's just SSJ it means he's not flooding his aura with God Ki yet.

Maybe they are using God Ki, but just mastered the form and so it became yellow somehow? I hadn't thought about it before, but they might just phase out Super Saiyan Blue in order to keep the protagonists with the iconic yellow look. If you think about it, it's basically what was done with SSJ God, with basic SSJ taking over the later half of the Beerus battle.

Then they could add another transformation later... that eventually would just be overtaken by basic SSJ again. Yeah, that's really lame, but I'm fearing now that they're really going in that direction in order to keep the SSJ look around.

[DI297]

I hope they give an explanation in the anime and not just brush it off. We haven't even got a full explanation of the Blue version yet.

they are giving new forms like is a bargain sale and theres no time to say what youre selling

[LongLostSaiyan]

Goku vs Hit Foreshadowed.

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[MozillaVulpix]

Basically, it comes down to how its used.

If SSJ is weaker than SSGSS and Goku is using it pretty much for the lolz, I'll find it a little stupid, but acceptable.

If SSJ is now rewritten to be "their strongest form for real, guys!", I'm actually going to be annoyed. It'd be a complete backpedal from what they had been saying before.

And it would be confusing even from a merchandise perspective. It'd be like "Ignore all that blue-hair merch we've been showing off for almost a year now. That's old news. The really important form is now...that gold-hair form that we used to sell."

Like, it's confusing ME, and I'm not even a child living in Japan. Goodness knows how much it'd confuse THEM.

[Darnis]

youre happy with how lame was botamo and how frost is just a good Freeza?

I don't quite see it that way, but yes I am. Is that a problem?

[eledoremassis02]

This is the first time since the Goku originally goinh SSJ that the blond hair looks weird to me for some reason

[SansrivaaL]

Goku vs Hit Foreshadowed.

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Goku be like, This guy.... I want him for desert.

Would be quite awesome if they just keep their Gold forms now, before I prefered blue but with how they changed the sound effects of it and its aura somewhat different than FnF movie I'm kinda down with Gold>Blue now. Like some of here said I hope its a mastered form, but I think its just Goku playing Frost so that he will go to his final form while Goku still preserving his trump card transformation.

[PrinceVegetto]

I might be in the minority here but I'm glad they're going back to using the original SSJ and not SSJ Blue. I always found SSJ Blue awful in terms of design. I just hope that this is all explained in Super.

[LightBing]

Basically, it comes down to how its used.

If SSJ is weaker than SSGSS and Goku is using it pretty much for the lolz, I'll find it a little stupid, but acceptable.

If SSJ is now rewritten to be "their strongest form for real, guys!", I'm actually going to be annoyed. It'd be a complete backpedal from what they had been saying before.

And it would be confusing even from a merchandise perspective. It'd be like "Ignore all that blue-hair merch we've been showing off for almost a year now. That's old news. The really important form is now...that gold-hair form that we used to sell."

Like, it's confusing ME, and I'm not even a child living in Japan. Goodness knows how much it'd confuse THEM.

I'm hoping it comes down to: they're not inputting God Ki in the form, so it isn't Blue and lacks the aura. Why he's doing it? Don't know, but so far God ki is unexplained. Regular people can't feel it, it can't be just about that..., right?

[fadeddreams5]

My matchups:

Goku vs Botamo
Goku vs Frost
Piccolo vs Frost
Piccolo vs Magetta
Vegeta vs Magetta
Vegeta vs Cabba
Monaka vs Cabba
Monaka vs Hit

I think the tournament will be interrupted at some point, but if it finishes, it's something like this. I find it hard to believe that Monaka would lose, but I just CAN'T see U7 winning this after everything that has been set-up.

I see it more like:
Goku vs Botamo
Goku vs Frost
Piccolo vs Frost
Piccolo vs Cabba
Vegeta vs Cabba (close fight)
Vegeta vs Magetta (takes out worn Vegeta)
Monaka vs Magetta
Monaka vs Hit

Honestly, I see Monaka being Saitama-tier and making an ass out of Hit, even if Hit is much stronger than everyone from U6. Alternatively, Gohan may redeem himself by showing up as the new 5th member after Monaka loses, and winning against Hit (*crowd laugh*). We already know what Champa's wish is if he wins. But there's been build up over Beerus' wish, which is why I feel U7 takes it.

I don't see the tournament being interrupted. I predict the saga will officially start when the Super Dragon Balls are used after the tournament finishes.

[ArchedThunder]

I'm pretty sure Magetta is after Frost because Botamo, Frost and Magetta are the ones being added in the newest God Mission.
I hope the Frost card has the ability to transform, it'd suck if we had to wait for 3rd and 4th form to get added to Heroes.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I'm pretty sure Magetta is after Frost because Botamo, Frost and Magetta are the ones being added in the newest God Mission.
I hope the Frost card has the ability to transform, it'd suck if we had to wait for 3rd and 4th form to get added to Heroes.

The only one shown does not. It's only a CP (Campaign Card) though. There are likely to be 1 or 2 other cards for him in the set, so hope isn't lost...yet.

Also potentially worth noting, the GDM7 Vegeta card for the Champa Arc that's partially causing the uproar over blond hair returning? Well, it uses the same icons as the original SS forms for Goku and Vegeta. Icons are always updated for new forms, so this should be regular Super Saiyan and not something with yet another new name that just happens to look blond SS again..

[Xeztin]

Goku vs Hit Foreshadowed.

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Goku be like, This guy.... I want him for desert.

Would be quite awesome if they just keep their Gold forms now, before I prefered blue but with how they changed the sound effects of it and its aura somewhat different than FnF movie I'm kinda down with Gold>Blue now. Like some of here said I hope its a mastered form, but I think its just Goku playing Frost so that he will go to his final form while Goku still preserving his trump card transformation.

Hit acts more like a hired assassin more than a villain himself. I'm actually looking for him to ruin the tournament by trying to kill someone. It would be quite the plot twist if he was hired to kill Champa. Hit=Hitman? His race might be a bunch of special assassins since the Saiyans are warriors. Heck Monaka might have hired him to kill Beerus.

[Zephyr]

I'm not sure why there's so much uproar; Goku's used weaker forms on relatively weaker opponents plenty of times before. This isn't anything new.

It seems that Goku and Vegeta can choose to activate Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan God, or both simultaneously. When they do both, they get the blue hair. This doesn't remove Goku's ability to go Super Saiyans 1, 2, or 3. Still doesn't help to better explain why Vegeta got the Super Saiyan God powerup, but we'll unfortunately likely have to come to terms with that.

[Xeztin]

I'm curious to see if they can activate the red haired SSG form at will because I was confused by how Vegeta reached the God Tier. Did he get the blue hair when he reached it or the red? I hope they one day release data books for Super explaining all of this. I think it makes sense that they could use SSG, SSJ, or use god ki in SSJ and make SSJB at will but then I don't understand the "Saiyan beyond god" base thing.

[ArchedThunder]

I'm not sure why there's so much uproar; Goku's used weaker forms on relatively weaker opponents plenty of times before. This isn't anything new.

It seems that Goku and Vegeta can choose to activate Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan God, or both simultaneously. When they do both, they get the blue hair. This doesn't remove Goku's ability to go Super Saiyans 1, 2, or 3. Still doesn't help to better explain why Vegeta got the Super Saiyan God powerup, but we'll unfortunately likely have to come to terms with that.

I think people might just have assumed that after unlocking Blue that become their normal Super Saiyan, I'm guessing it's more like a replacement for Super Saiyan 2 and 3 now instead.

[Xeztin]

I'm not sure why there's so much uproar; Goku's used weaker forms on relatively weaker opponents plenty of times before. This isn't anything new.

It seems that Goku and Vegeta can choose to activate Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan God, or both simultaneously. When they do both, they get the blue hair. This doesn't remove Goku's ability to go Super Saiyans 1, 2, or 3. Still doesn't help to better explain why Vegeta got the Super Saiyan God powerup, but we'll unfortunately likely have to come to terms with that.

I think people might just have assumed that after unlocking Blue that become their normal Super Saiyan, I'm guessing it's more like a replacement for Super Saiyan 2 and 3 now instead.

That's sort of what I thought, with the yellow version being weaker than blue. I think I'm going to give up on trying to make sense of anything post BOG, it's almost like Toriyama is trolling the hardcore canon/continuity fans. "You want it to make sense? Oh, we are going back to Super Saiyan Yellow"