"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[ChaosLordBrandon]

You guys do know that both Vados and Whis could one shot Hit and any one else there with out any effort correct? It is confirmed that both Champa and Beerus are the most powerful people there after Whis and Vados.

Hit is starting to get extremely over hyped up.

[LightBing]

You guys do know that both Vados and Whis could one shot hit with out any effort correct? It is confirmed that both are Champa and Beerus are the most powerful people there after Whis and Vados.

Hit is starting to get extremely over hyped up.

We have absolutely no idea how strong Hit is. We know how strong the characters you named are, that's it. It's not a fact they could one-shot him.

[Xeztin]

You guys do know that both Vados and Whis could one shot hit with out any effort correct? It is confirmed that both are Champa and Beerus are the most powerful people there after Whis and Vados.

Hit is starting to get extremely over hyped up.

I'm pretty sure Beerus stated that there may be people even stronger than them in other Universes unless its a mistranslation. Goku and Vegeta together could probably over power Beerus and may even overpower Whis if they fuse again. Freeza became stronger than SSJB in 4 months, and a guy with huge nipples is stronger than Goku. I don't see why someone who was under their radar couldn't destroy them. There may even be a Ki above God Ki for all we know, like Divine Ki, Omnipotent Ki or something.

[Retan]

I heard Zuno is Omniscient, but never heard of him being Omnipotent, where did you hear this?

[Sandubadear]

You guys do know that both Vados and Whis could one shot hit with out any effort correct? It is confirmed that both are Champa and Beerus are the most powerful people there after Whis and Vados.

Hit is starting to get extremely over hyped up.

I'm pretty sure Beerus stated that there are people even stronger than them in other Universes unless its a mistranslation. Goku and Vegeta together could probably over power Beerus and may even overpower Whis if they fuse again. Freeza became stronger than SSJB in 4 months, and a guy with huge nipples is stronger than Goku. I don't see why someone who was under their radar couldn't destroy them. There may even be a Ki above God Ki for all we know, like Divine Ki, Omnipotent Ki or something.

Edit - Actually wasn't Zuno said to be Omnipotent? He could be like the Old Kai's/Dende who are weak with God Ki, but if someone like Vegeta where to get Zuno's Omnipotent Ki (if it exists) it could be a big power up. I'm hoping since the series seems to be built around God Ki from the very first arc that they are other types, some weaker, some stronger. Though I don't see how one would surpass "God" Ki, unless it's like a different level of God Ki like how the SSJ 1-3 forms worked.

Zuno is Omniscient (all-knowing), not Omnipotent (all-powerful). He was even scared of Bulma

Btw, IIRC Beerus says that there may be stronger people, not that there are for sure.

[Xeztin]

Thanks guys, updated the post. It was just a bad translation of the manga I read, or maybe a typo.

[kidhero1000]

After this arc is over I'm ready for a timeskip into a new GT era. Bring IT!

[ChaosLordBrandon]

That Freeza thing was an one time thing only and is not happening again for any character. It's the new Kaio-ken(Only happen for Goku and is never brought up again.)

People know this to and act like that gonna happen for any character again.

But the thing I don't understand is why are people starting put morals into db and acting like both need Champa and Beerus need to be killed off to because they have killed? If you put morals into db then Vegeta,Piccolo,and Fat Buu, both deserve to die as much as Freeza did.

Akira himself has stated multiply times that he does not care about moral stuff.

Also Zuno is Omniscient.

[Xeztin]

They don't have to die and most likely wont, it's just an attempt that could start a war or have a bunch of lore back into it similar to how Frieza destroyed the Saiyans, and wanted/attempted to destroy the ones he missed.I'm almost positive that if Hit or whoever tried to Assassinate Beerus/Champa the entire Z cast would jump in to help. It's just the attempt that would start a new arc off because they'd be wondering who sent you? why? if the attempted assassin was indeed sent by someone. Also if Frost already has 3 of Frieza's forms (including base) and it seems he actually trains, I don't see why he couldn't have his own version of Golden Freeza or something stronger that he would be holding back until Goku went SSJB. Frost could very well be the mutant of his clan in U6 as Freeza and King Cold were of U7.

[Sandubadear]

Goku's fight with Botamo kind of reminded me of Budokai and Tenkaichi. I always tried to get ring-outs in the Tournament ring.

[TheMikado]

You guys do know that both Vados and Whis could one shot hit with out any effort correct? It is confirmed that both are Champa and Beerus are the most powerful people there after Whis and Vados.

Hit is starting to get extremely over hyped up.

We have absolutely no idea how strong Hit is. We know how strong the characters you named are, that's it. It's not a fact they could one-shot him.

Exactly, it sounds like people are just hyping up their favorite characters and stating these things as fact because that's what they've worked out in their own minds. At this point Hit could be 70, 80, 90, even 99% of Champa's power and still technically be weaker then him, but at 99% of Champa's power that would make him VERY competitive.

[batistabus]

Fair point. This has been corrected.

Please keep it this way forever.

On Frost's transformations

Why do people think that his "3rd" form doesn't fit his personality? Is it stated anywhere that Freeza used his as a form of intimidation? Considering Freeza stated that nobody had ever seen that transformation, that doesn't seem likely. I had always seen it as his first, crude attempt at creating a form that limited his power. Couldn't this be the case for Frost?

I've also read some things that say it doesn't make sense that Frost has transformations to begin with because we assume he has ki control. Freeza didn't train for 2 reasons: because he was unmatched, and because he is arrogant. I think it's pretty likely that Frost trained, but that doesn't mean he has to have proper ki control the same way our Universe 7 heroes do. Even after Freeza trained and became much stronger, we never get any indication that he can conceal his ki differently or can sense it. Frost could train, be much stronger/more stable than Golden Freeza, yet still need his forms to modify his power.

As for his slim form we see at the end of the chapter, is the consensus that this is his "true" form or his "Golden-like" form? I'm thinking it's the latter.

On "Super Saiyan" Goku

The most annoying thing about this situation is that I don't think it's meant to be ambiguous. I had assumed it was Super Saiyan Blue based on the context (they don't HAVE to color the hair if that's how it's going to look from now on), but I can see why people think it might be the normal version. We can't even look at the aura to tell the difference because Toyotaro doesn't draw it the same way it looks in the anime.

On everything else in this chapter

Love it. Better than the anime in every way: no Sumitomo music, nothing drawn out, fewer Champa fat jokes, better art, etc. etc. etc. I wish we could just get a dubbed version of the manga.

[Xeztin]

You guys do know that both Vados and Whis could one shot hit with out any effort correct? It is confirmed that both are Champa and Beerus are the most powerful people there after Whis and Vados.

Hit is starting to get extremely over hyped up.

We have absolutely no idea how strong Hit is. We know how strong the characters you named are, that's it. It's not a fact they could one-shot him.

Exactly, it sounds like people are just hyping up their favorite characters and stating these things as fact because that's what they've worked out in their own minds. At this point Hit could be 70, 80, 90, even 99% of Champa's power and still technically be weaker then him, but at 99% of Champa's power that would make him VERY competitive.

Some of us just like to debate over things, but we are not spreading it as facts, just possibilities. We know Hit is going to be involved in the main plot somehow, someway, just because of the way Goku looked at him which was foreshadowing. He may not be evil at all and could be there to stop Monaka or whoever. We don't know, which is why it's fun to debate/give our ideas on the matter which most of us didn't have the opportunity to do with Dragon Ball's original serial run. Spreading correct information, debating, and speculation on the forums is what Kanzenshuu is for right? I mean we've been debating over the Gold SSJ thing for the past 2 days too which may also be something completely different.

[Noah]

You guys do know that both Vados and Whis could one shot Hit and any one else there with out any effort correct? It is confirmed that both Champa and Beerus are the most powerful people there after Whis and Vados.

Hit is starting to get extremely over hyped up.

Pretty sure Hit is hiding his true power he is probably stronger than both Whis and Vados IMO

Anyway I don't get why people were saying that we might not see SSGSS anymore, just because Goku can transform into a regular SSJ?

[Sandubadear]

I wish we could just get a dubbed version of the manga.

I do the voice effects when I read the manga.

[Xeztin]

My Prediction: Goku and Frost are still bluffing one another, and Frost will transform again, maybe making it to where Goku can't read his Ki in his normal SSJ form? That would lead to Goku underestimating him and causing him to be knocked out if he doesn't go SSJB. Either way Piccolo has no chance in hell unless he has that Book of Legends or some power up. Even if he beat Goku at his base, Piccolo will still have his hands full with Frost, which Piccolo will loose and Vegeta will be the one the defeat him with SSJB (To throw the Vegeta fans a bone over defeating Freeza) I think something will go wrong once Vegeta face's Cabba and interrupts the tourney. leaving Hit and Monaka still shrouded in mystery. The Robot will not get a chance to fight either.

[Lord Beerus]

I wish we could just get a dubbed version of the manga.

I do the voice effects when I read the manga.

Vomic's do exist in Japan.

[Sodhi]

I highly doubt that HIT will be stronger than Champa let alone Vados. However that is not to say that he can't create problems. I have a feeling that in the end he would just turn up to be someone that lead to something else. Like the East Kaioshin in buu saga.

[Xeztin]

I highly doubt that HIT will be stronger than Champa let alone Vados. However that is not to say that he can't create problems. I have a feeling that in the end he would just turn up to be someone that lead to something else. Like the East Kaioshin in buu saga.

He doesn't strike me as the villain/mastermind type at all, I think he is going to be a hired gun even if he's not there on bad intentions simply because I think Hit is a play on Hitman. I do agree that he will lead to someone else, or something else.

[alakazam^]

I hope Goku mentions Golden Freeza to Frost, it would be weird if he didn't. What's strange is Frost's transformations are similar to Freeza's. Judging from Golden Freeza, we can assume the others were Freeza's creations as well but why would Frost create them in the same way? Could it be that stuff in twin Universes are connected in some way that makes the final product pretty much the same? God hierarchy, mutant Emperor, Boo-like creature.