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by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Sat Jan 02, 2016 10:00 pm
Hellspawn28 wrote:So what if Tenshinhan, Chazou and Yamcha choose to stay dead on King Kai's Planet? Tenshinhan did said that he would stay dead if Chazou can not be wish back to life.
I don't think anything would change, they didn't play any parts other then 2 times Tien stalled and they can be replaced easily. Toriyama would just think of some other small detail like Goku gets there quicker vs Buutenks or Goku uses solar flare to save the androids and piccolo. they'd be stronger though.
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by Sandubadear » Sat Jan 02, 2016 10:03 pm
Hellspawn28 wrote:So what if Tenshinhan, Chazou and Yamcha choose to stay dead on King Kai's Planet? Tenshinhan did said that he would stay dead if Chazou can not be wish back to life.
Nothing changes because they are already useless by the time they revive. Except maybe Cell would become perfect earlier, but that's all.
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by Hellspawn28 » Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:17 pm
Won't they be erase forever when Cell blows up King Kai's Planet? I guess Goku would give a quick warning to King Kai and the others to run away quick before he teleports over there.
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by apex_pretador » Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:22 am
What if , when fat buu is waiting like he did, to face strong opponent, & piccolo forces bulma to make a time machine, goes back 3 days in time, warns everyone (including shin) about buu & absorbs that timeline's piccolo (namekian fusion) before coming back.
Can he stop the newly transformed buu (super buu) ?? Can him + SS gotenks do it?
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by Khin » Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:58 pm
I miss this thread so here's one.What if,instead of going back to protect Guru,Nail went to aid Vegeta and co. against Recoome ?
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by miguelnuva1 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:37 pm
What if Trunks was Goku's son and Vegeta remained an anti-hero through the series as a result?
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by samuo2 » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:04 am
I think we need more details about from when Gokû start sleep with Bulma.
Did he knows ChiChi ? Did he cheat her on ? Is Gokû in couple with Bulma ?
In the last case, Gohan isn't born and Vegeta probably win against Gokû at Saiyan Arc.
If Gokû cheat on Chichi and procreate his son after, I think Vegeta doesn't give a fuck about who Bulma sleep with. Vegeta begans to have a "Human life" when training and accepted Miraï Trunks, before this he just fighted to struggle strongs warriors. So Vegeta wouldn't become an anti-hero or an evil character anymore, just stay as Vegeta in Android saga and maybe one day leave planet Earth.
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by Hellspawn28 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:48 pm
What if Grey Buu hatch out of Buu's shell instead of Fat Buu?
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by Lunatic Fringe » Thu Feb 18, 2016 4:30 pm
Nothing of significance happens.
What if Vegeta went USSJ before using his Final Flash on Cell?
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by Hellspawn28 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 5:18 pm
If Buu came back as Grey Buu and not Fat Buu, I think a lot can happen. Buu would not have any good inside of him and would be harder to control.
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by Khin » Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:00 am
Hellspawn28 wrote:What if Grey Buu hatch out of Buu's shell instead of Fat Buu?
SSj3 Goku wrecks Grey Boo and saves the day.
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by apex_pretador » Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:55 am
Hellspawn28 wrote:What if Grey Buu hatch out of Buu's shell instead of Fat Buu?
SS3 goku finishes him off because he's too strong for the fusion of kids to handle in his opinion, and too evil to be reasoned with.
Goku stays dead
Vegeta stays dead
Gohan never breaks Z sword, old kaioshin is still locked up.
Shenron grants the life back to the 80% population of earth INCLUDING Mr Satan , who died this time.
Beerus never has a dream of SSG
Freeza is revived. He learns how goku defeated majin buu , but both goku & vegeta are dead now. He trains for 4 months, then blows up the planet earth , finds namek , & blows it up as well. Then he does the same to many planets until beerus wakes up and thinking that freeza trying to challenge his job , he blows the freeza up.
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by apex_pretador » Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:57 am
Lunatic Fringe wrote:Nothing of significance happens.
What if Vegeta went USSJ before using his Final Flash on Cell?
That buff form? Vegeta blows the planet earth up (because he can't control his range of final flash due to thick shoulders)
Cell is already perfect form. He travels the universe, & either dies to dabura's hands, or majin buu absorbs him.
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by Darkprince410 » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:23 am
apex_pretador wrote:Hellspawn28 wrote:What if Grey Buu hatch out of Buu's shell instead of Fat Buu?
SS3 goku finishes him off because he's too strong for the fusion of kids to handle in his opinion, and too evil to be reasoned with.
The Pure Evil Buu was weaker than Fat Buu (the pre-split version), so it'd make no sense for Goku to not put faith in Gotenks if he put faith in him to be able to handle Fat Buu's strength. His attitude and likely lack of control would have been an issue, but his strength wouldn't have been.
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by Desassina » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:28 am
Darkprince410 wrote:The Pure Evil Buu was weaker than Fat Buu (the pre-split version)

How come this is true? We saw Evil Buu coming out of Fat Buu's steaming anger, which made him Good Buu in the end. If anything, Evil Buu represents Fat Buu at his strongest, while Good Buu is at his weakest. "Split" is a terrible word for what happened, before they even mentioned power. Also, I never bought Vegeta's line inside Super Buu's stomach, because he went as far as to comment his (scrawny) build, like he did later with Kid Buu.
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by Khin » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:38 am
Desassina wrote:How come this is true? We saw Evil Buu coming out of Fat Buu's steaming anger, which made him Good Buu in the end. If anything, Evil Buu represents Fat Buu at his strongest, while Good Buu is at his weakest. I never bought Vegeta's line inside Super Buu's stomach, because he went as far as to comment his (scrawny) build, like he did later with Kid Buu.
Innocent Boo = Pure Evil Boo + Good Boo
Innocent Boo's power was divided between Grey and Good Boo.But Grey Boo have the majority of Innocent Boo's power.
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by Desassina » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:48 am
Don't ommit information, because I had to go look for it. Here's the context:
---Pure Evil--- [#BO3#BOO#PEV]
Chapter: 485 (DBZ 291), P2.3
Narrator: “Due to his strong anger, the evil portion that Majin Boo had kept inside himself greatly swelled up and became another Majin Boo, who came flying out…In other words, he was divided into a pure evil Majin Boo and an innocent Majin Boo…”
Chapter: 485 (DBZ 291), P7.4
Context: as the two Boos fight
Narrator: “The original Majin Boo had no chance of winning...This was because during the split, the majority of the power went to the evil one…"
Fat Buu expelled an evil that
greatly swelled up inside of him, before he was even
divided into Evil and Good.
Split refers to them being divided, not their power. The only thing we know is that Evil Buu is stronger than Good Buu, but given the context of an evil that swelled up inside of Fat Buu before the split, I would say that Evil Buu is stronger than the original Fat Buu. That's the only way he can absorb Good Buu and become stronger as Super Buu.
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by Khin » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:54 am
Desassina wrote:Fat Buu expelled an evil that greatly swelled up inside of him, before he was even divided into Evil and Good. Split refers to them being divided, not their power. The only thing we know is that Evil Buu is stronger than Good Buu, but given the context of an evil that swelled up inside of Fat Buu before the split, I would say that Evil Buu is stronger than the original Fat Buu. That's the only way he can absorb Good Buu and become stronger as Super Buu.
How does that prove that Grey Boo is stronger than innocent Boo ? That just mean that the Evil portion of Majin Boo is way too much for him to handle that they split into two.
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by apex_pretador » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:55 am
Darkprince410 wrote:apex_pretador wrote:Hellspawn28 wrote:What if Grey Buu hatch out of Buu's shell instead of Fat Buu?
SS3 goku finishes him off because he's too strong for the fusion of kids to handle in his opinion, and too evil to be reasoned with.
The Pure Evil Buu was weaker than Fat Buu (the pre-split version), so it'd make no sense for Goku to not put faith in Gotenks if he put faith in him to be able to handle Fat Buu's strength. His attitude and likely lack of control would have been an issue, but his strength wouldn't have been.
Pure evil buu > Mr buu > SS2 vegeta
Fat buu pre split = fat buu post split (except he can't get power from being enraged). It is also stated that "
The evil inside of him grew immensly" meaning that evil buu is the evil which grew inside of fat buu , not just 65% or so of fat buu (who is 2x SS2 gohan)
Desassina wrote:Don't ommit information, because I had to go look for it. Here's the context:
---Pure Evil--- [#BO3#BOO#PEV]
Chapter: 485 (DBZ 291), P2.3
Narrator: “Due to his strong anger, the evil portion that Majin Boo had kept inside himself greatly swelled up and became another Majin Boo, who came flying out…In other words, he was divided into a pure evil Majin Boo and an innocent Majin Boo…”
Chapter: 485 (DBZ 291), P7.4
Context: as the two Boos fight
Narrator: “The original Majin Boo had no chance of winning...This was because during the split, the majority of the power went to the evil one…"
Fat Buu expelled an evil that
greatly swelled up inside of him, before he was even
divided into Evil and Good.
Split refers to them being divided, not their power. The only thing we know is that Evil Buu is stronger than Good Buu, but given the context of an evil that swelled up inside of Fat Buu before the split, I would say that Evil Buu is stronger than the original Fat Buu. That's the only way he can absorb Good Buu and become stronger as Super Buu.
exactly this.
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by Desassina » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:00 am
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:How does that prove that Grey Boo is stronger than innocent Boo ? That just mean that the Evil portion of Majin Boo is way too much for him to handle that they split into two.
An evil that came out due to his anger. The evil swelled up just as Fat Buu got angrier. It's not difficult to correlate the two, and it's far simpler to consider, without further notes from the narrator, that Evil Buu is just stronger than a Buu that has barely changed in appearance, only power. Why? Because the evil that made his power, which he got access to through anger, was no longer there. The anime had no narrator for this scene (I think), and the task was made simpler by just looking.