"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Xeztin]

Hit being a hitman is way too dark for Super.

Your right it could be too dark, but it can be toned down sort of like how Freeza's hell experience is, or Beerus planet busting killing millions. Hit could also be there to kidnap someone for somebody for a specific reason unkown. Vados may also be tired of Champa and his lazyness/attitude. She might have promised Hit the title of God of Destruction if he got rid of Champa but this is even stretching it futher as I think it's a better chance hes hired by someone else outside the tournament. (If hes hired at all) It's fun trying to figure this out

[ArchedThunder]

Hit being a hitman is way too dark for Super.

I don't think so, Super has had some pretty dark stuff, while sticking to the movies like Beerus stabbing Goku in the chest or Freeza brutally torturing Gohan and then Piccolo dying. They even made Freeza destroying the planet a lot darker by showing different characters as they were about to die.
A dude hired to kill someone doesn't really feel out of the realm of possibility.

It just feels frustrating that at this rate Goku and Vegeta won't be able to show off the fruits of their training until after the tournament has concluded. Nagging questions still remain, have they reached or surpassed Monaka? Beerus? Was what Vegeta said about being close to their limits true after all or did he surprise himself during the three years in the time chamber? Are we gonna see some blue super saiyan 3 action or what!? So many questions!

I think we'll see some good stuff from Vegeta in the tournament.
And I still don't think anyone should put much faith into the "close to our limits" line.

[Makai]

Hit being a hitman is way too dark for Super.

Not really. Tao was a Hitman, not like DB is that much darker than Super.

[kinisking]

How are people already coming to conclusions to how dark super is going to be? Literally all its had so far is the movies. This would be a different story if it was less dark than the movies, but besides for blood it was as dark if not darker

[TKA]

Hit being a hitman is way too dark for Super.

Your right it could be too dark, but it can be toned down sort of like how Freeza's hell experience is, or Beerus planet busting killing millions. Hit could also be there to kidnap someone for somebody for a specific reason unkown. Vados may also be tired of Champa and his lazyness/attitude. She might have promised Hit the title of God of Destruction if he got rid of Champa but this is even stretching it futher as I think it's a better chance hes hired by someone else outside the tournament. (If hes hired at all) It's fun trying to figure this out

Or maybe Hit isn't evil at all and is just there because he likes fighting like everyone else.

[buutenks]

How strong are these guys compared to buu saga? All these guys are like 5X vegitto from buu saga? What's the deal here I'm lost.

EH nah.Unknown how strong botamo is.But apparently he can absorb damage?

Frost,well we will see how he fairs against goku.So far his first and second form dont even compare.His final form,depends how he does against goku.

Rest unknown for now.

[Xeztin]

Hit being a hitman is way too dark for Super.

Your right it could be too dark, but it can be toned down sort of like how Freeza's hell experience is, or Beerus planet busting killing millions. Hit could also be there to kidnap someone for somebody for a specific reason unkown. Vados may also be tired of Champa and his lazyness/attitude. She might have promised Hit the title of God of Destruction if he got rid of Champa but this is even stretching it futher as I think it's a better chance hes hired by someone else outside the tournament. (If hes hired at all) It's fun trying to figure this out

Or maybe Hit isn't evil at all and is just there because he likes fighting like everyone else.

He may be evil, good, or neutral, but judging by Goku's expression when he seen him I doubt he is there for only fighting. Him having evil intentions remains to be seen. I think Hit having a greater purpose at the tournament other than winning is about 95 percent.

[LightBing]

It would be interesting if he's there to steal the Super Dragon Balls, to save his planet. Starting has an antagonist, we then realize he's a nice guy. The problem is Beerus or Champa or both, don't like to see their balls stolen. Goku and the crew chose Hit side, maybe some Universe 6 fighters join them. We would have a three way conflict:

• Goku, Vegeta and crew.
• One or two Gods of Destruction.
• Whatever is threatening Hit's planet.

This would make for a great arc, with various characters being useful, lots of fighting and potential for some good old exploring while searching for the last Super Dragon Ball.
Thoughts?

[Tsufuru]

did any1 notice that botama got 4 fingers on the cover but only 3 in the chapter?

which one is right?

There were plenty of characters that had less than the standard digits in the manga (Namekians, Dodoria, first form Cell, most Buu forms, etc.). It's entirely possible that Toriyama wanted Botamo to only have 3 fingers as well, but Japan has laws/regulations on depicting humanoid characters with less than the standard 4 fingers and a thumb hand design because of their history with yubitsume (the act of cutting off a finger to pay for a crime, usually via the burakumin or yakuza). Using a design with less digits will result in a fine for anything intended to be shown on TV. So the anime and promotional artwork would be forced to follow that, while Toyotaro could stick to Toriyama's intention.

Though, since what I've seen of Toriyama's artwork doesn't show Botamo's fingers, it's also possible that Toyotaro chose to use less fingers after he got Toriyama's designs, but before the anime settei were completed. We know the manga has differences because he reached story points before production material was completed (the tournament grounds, Jaco's new ship, etc).

didnt know that.
thanks for the info.

[Sandubadear]

It would be interesting if he's there to steal the Super Dragon Balls, to save his planet. Starting has an antagonist, we then realize he's a nice guy. The problem is Beerus or Champa or both, don't like to see their balls stolen. Goku and the crew chose Hit side, maybe some Universe 6 fighters join them. We would have a three way conflict:

• Goku, Vegeta and crew.
• One or two Gods of Destruction.
• Whatever is threatening Hit's planet.

This would make for a great arc, with various characters being useful, lots of fighting and potential for some good old exploring while searching for the last Super Dragon Ball.
Thoughts?

Or maybe an anti-villain. We never had any in Dragon Ball.

[Xeztin]

It would be interesting if he's there to steal the Super Dragon Balls, to save his planet. Starting has an antagonist, we then realize he's a nice guy. The problem is Beerus or Champa or both, don't like to see their balls stolen. Goku and the crew chose Hit side, maybe some Universe 6 fighters join them. We would have a three way conflict:

• Goku, Vegeta and crew.
• One or two Gods of Destruction.
• Whatever is threatening Hit's planet.

This would make for a great arc, with various characters being useful, lots of fighting and potential for some good old exploring while searching for the last Super Dragon Ball.
Thoughts?

I think your right on the money about the Super Dragon Ball's starting an all out war, maybe even one between multiple Universes. Hit may very well be the one to ignite it. I think Beerus+Champa+Whis+Vados would be a little op though if Whis and Vados did step in that is. Beerus and Champa argue a lot so this may be their excuse to get along?

Or maybe an anti-villain. We never had any in Dragon Ball.

I really hope who ever the villain is they are an anti-hero. Every Villian is always doing bad and knows they are doing bad such as killing people and they really have no reason as to why they do it other than to cure their Borden. I think it'd be neat if we got one that thought he was doing good, or was trying to protect his race or something and would gladly sacrifice himself for that cause or even other planets. Whatever got in his way such as Goku and Earth.

[Sandubadear]

Or maybe an anti-villain. We never had any in Dragon Ball.

I really hope who ever the villain is they are an anti-hero. Every Villian is always doing bad and knows they are doing bad such as killing people and they really have no reason as to why they do it other than to cure their Borden. I think it'd be neat if we got one that thought he was doing good, or was trying to protect his race or something and would gladly sacrifice himself for that cause or even other planets. Whatever got in his way such as Goku and Earth.

I said anti-villain, not anti-hero. An anti-villain is someone who opposes the protagonists, but ultimately has a good goal (save his people etc). Anti-heroes usually help the protagonists, but have selfish goals.

So as an anti-villain, Hit could try to kill Champa and Beerus, steal the Super DBs, and Goku & co try to stop him, but at the end they learn that he only wanted to save his planet from whatever.

[Xeztin]

Derp, I always get those two mixed up for some reason.

[Hellspawn28]

Power creep has always been a problem in the show (e.g. what a coincidence stronger villains always appear one after another in ascending order of power) but I agree it's getting out of hand. Majin Buu, one of the most destructive forces in the universe is starting to look like a weakling in comparison if this 3rd form Frost is handling god absorbed base Goku so easily who is surely stronger than his original super saiyan form against Freeza by now (I could be wrong on that last time if anyone has any feats to back that up that would be good)

Frost is in another universe and his backstory is completely unknown,what's wrong with him being stronger than Boo ?

It makes Buu seem underwelming despite supposedly being one of the most feared beings to ever exist. How do you NOT see the problem here?

And yet characters from GT like Rildo and Bebi are stronger than Buu. So why is it a big deal now?

[fadeddreams5]

It was ****ing stupid in GT too. At least in the case of Rildo and Super 17. Bebi was a wimp before possessing Vegeta.

[Hellspawn28]

Dr. Gero created three cyborgs that are stronger than Freeza. The universe is a huge place, so there is always going to be stronger forces out there.

[ekrolo2]

Frost is in another universe and his backstory is completely unknown,what's wrong with him being stronger than Boo ?

It makes Buu seem underwelming despite supposedly being one of the most feared beings to ever exist. How do you NOT see the problem here?

And yet characters from GT like Rildo and Bebi are stronger than Buu. So why is it a big deal now?

Why does a mistake become okay if the series already did it? I know this is an insane suggestion but if a series is going to get brought back, might be a good idea to see what worked and what didn't so the bad stuff can piss off for an overall better product? Y'know, how BoG saw every cliche of the 90s Toei films and pretty much subverted all of them. Can we please get some writing of that caliber back?

[alakazam^]

Boo isn't even as stronger as we was when he got out of his ball and no one knows what Frost's life has been like until now. He could very well be Ultimate Frost, for all we know.

[Araki]

I dunno, i think the very fact Frost belongs in a different universe should make Buu's strength or status completely irrelevant. It's not comparable to any other situation we had before in the series, really.

[ATEMVEGETA]

I dont see any difference from GT's Rildo with Super's Monaka.