Are you satisfied with the way DBZ ended?

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:27 am

Personally, I think the best place to end it for the sake of the overall story would have been the Cell Games, for reasons that have already been said. But I'm glad that it continued, as I found the Buu saga quite enjoyable as well.

As for the ending of the series, I'm perfectly satisfied with the way Kid Buu was defeated, with the Genki-dama. It relied on no one character being the strongest in the universe. Instead, it was the combined strength of all the peoples of Earth that defeated Buu, as well as the final, desperate efforts of Goku and Vegeta. I definitely prefer it to either Gohan or Vegetto beating Buu.

However, I can't say I'm a fan of the whole resolution with Uub, at the tournament. Goku leaving his family once again just didn't feel right. Also, I didn't like Uub himself at all... He had very little personality. I also disliked how it ended with a line that essentially meant: "More stuff will happen, but we're not going to tell you about it." Way too open ended I think.

The new kanzenban ending, with Kinto'un, was definately an improvement... But I still don't like the way the whole thing was done.

Mystic Jack · Post by **Mystic Jack** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:33 am

No not really. I've said this before, but I reckon they should have ended DBZ with the Cell saga, then (if absoloutely neccesary) begin GT with the Majin Boo saga. Notice the stress on the absoloutely, it means if it ended like that it's probably better the way it is.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:44 am

Swift wrote:Personally, I think the best place to end it for the sake of the overall story would have been the Cell Games, for reasons that have already been said. But I'm glad that it continued, as I found the Buu saga quite enjoyable as well.

As for the ending of the series, I'm perfectly satisfied with the way Kid Buu was defeated, with the Genki-dama. It relied on no one character being the strongest in the universe. Instead, it was the combined strength of all the peoples of Earth that defeated Buu, as well as the final, desperate efforts of Goku and Vegeta. I definitely prefer it to either Gohan or Vegetto beating Buu.

However, I can't say I'm a fan of the whole resolution with Uub, at the tournament. Goku leaving his family once again just didn't feel right. Also, I didn't like Uub himself at all... He had very little personality. I also disliked how it ended with a line that essentially meant: "More stuff will happen, but we're not going to tell you about it." Way too open ended I think.

The new kanzenban ending, with Kinto'un, was definately an improvement... But I still don't like the way the whole thing was done.

I agree with this 100%. To me, Uub was merely a way to keep it going. After everything that Buu did to Goku, the Earth, and essentially everyone he knew, it's surprising that he actually found his sheer strength to be admirable enough to want to resurrect him, in any form. It's almost as if his love for martial arts and pushing his own abilities outweighed the love for his actual family. As boyish and air-headed as he may be, that just doesn't seem natural to me.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:54 am

Well, I think the reason why people think the Namek ending would be bad is because they've seen what follows it. If Dragonball started off with Goku meeting Bulma and ended with Goku dying on Namek (or surviving like the second Goku Den which would be a better ending imo), we would treat everything after as GT. Seriously.

If you followed the story since the beginning and here that everyone becomes the legendary super saiyan and that more forms were made, you'd think it would be too much. But from our perspective, it seems alright.. [/rant]

As for your actual question, I liked how Z ended but I thought your ending was a bit better honestly. I wish they did a GT-like recap in Z but whatever. It ended how it ended, so meh. (Actually, I thought the Cell Games would've been a great ending too because technically the humans aren't completely tossed aside)

To Rocketman: Ending it at the Freeza Arc would mean no Vegetto and less Chi-Chi. It seems that you've lost your mind at long last....
-Rick

GI_Judd2287 · Post by **GI_Judd2287** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:42 am

Ending it at the Freeza saga would have been more climactic. It's pretty obvious that that's what the series was building up to at that point.

The Cell Saga would have been a great ending. Unlike the Freeza saga, you get a stronger impression that he intended Gohan to protect the earth. Plus Goku died. Things don't get much more final than that (unless it's a comic book/anime of course).

I didn't think Z had a strong sense of closure. Goku just leaves his family and friends to go train/fight with someone he's never met before? It just seems like there's way too much room for stuff to happen, which is why I'm thankful GT is around to give it a better ending.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:56 am

Mr.Piccolo wrote:To Rocketman: Ending it at the Freeza Arc would mean no Vegetto and less Chi-Chi. It seems that you've lost your mind at long last....
-Rick

I would surrender Vegetto and Kaioken ChiChi to destroy the Android/Cell/Buu/GT Sagas.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:00 pm

Ok I changed my mind, ending at the Cell Games Saga would be perfect.

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:22 pm

Am I satisfied? Eh, pretty much. The series been done and over with for a long time, and I been around fandoms long enough to mellow out on things. I've got no real hang up on how it ended. Though as pointed out, that revised manga ending is better than the original version. It gives more of a feeling of closure, rather than the original's "sorta just stops" ending.

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:49 pm

I started watching in the Cell Saga, so I already knew what happened in the Freeza Saga and all of that always felt like "backstory" to it. It would've been an awesome way to end it if it was in the Freeza Saga, but I think the character of the ending would've been way different than the series in general; ie., usually we have a happy ending and Goku wins, but this completely turns it around.

Plus Cell and Buu were awesome and it's totally not worth it to miss out on all the new characters and events. I mean, everyone always says Gohan's SSJ2 transformation was the best part of the show, if not one of the best.

Squidovski · Post by **Squidovski** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:57 pm

I'm not really satisfied with the ending to DB, no. Personally, I think the best ending would've been Gohan killing Buutenks. That way, we wouldn't have missed out on the good parts of the Buu Saga (Gotenks, Vegeta's death, Buu himself),but we'd escape the walking plothole named Chibi Buu. The whole Uub thing was so random and...well, stupid, really.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:03 pm

To answer the thread's original question, yes, I am satisfied with the way it ended. While some may consider them extraneous, the post-Freeza storylines were excellent additions to the story.

The Androids/Cell arc was excellent not just for its action, but also for its drama and character development. The Majin Buu arc was epic in the same while, while tying up some loose ends with the story and characters (Giving closure to Goku and Vegeta's rivalry was, IMO, the biggest contribution in the story the Buu saga had), and having the final villain be defeated by the citizens of Earth was an unbelievably good ending, not to mention just plain cool.

Long story short, I think the pros far outweigh the cons with the later stories.

Kodoshin · Post by **Kodoshin** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:47 pm

I'm perfectly happy with how the manga ended. I know a lot of people would rather it ended after Freeza or after Cell, but I myself like happy endings a lot better than bittersweet endings (which is what both of those would be).

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:26 pm

Like someone said, just don't watch past the part where you wanted it to end.

Dark Vegeta-Sama · Post by **Dark Vegeta-Sama** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:38 pm

No, I'm not thrilled with the way DBZ ended. It segueways right into DBGT, which is a horrible series.

Anyway, something I've always thought of that I've been reminded by from reading some of your comments regarding how DBZ "should've ended" be it at the end of the SSJ Goku/Freeza fight or whatever.

What if Vegeta became the hero of DBZ?

I've always wondered how fans would have reacted had Toriyama, in an act that would probably piss off a lot of Goku fanboys and would require some serious balls to do so, had DBZ end with Vegeta committing suicide by self-explosion and killing Buu in the process...no regenerative technique to bring himself back like what really happened in the series. So basically, "Final Atonement" would be the final DBZ episode.

Imagine that? Have Vegeta, who started out as the villain of DBZ (before Freeza came along) finally show a change of character by sacrificing himself and actually defeating the major enemy for good, in order to save the planet. Following that, Goku's one day on earth would have ended, and with both Goku and Vegeta dead, the pureblood Saiyan race would effectively be extinct. And then, it would be up to Gohan, Goten, and Trunks to be the next generation of earth's protectors.

How's that for an ending?

KinoFourpaws · Post by **KinoFourpaws** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:01 pm

Dark Vegeta-Sama wrote:No, I'm not thrilled with the way DBZ ended. It segueways right into DBGT, which is a horrible series.

Anyway, something I've always thought of that I've been reminded by from reading some of your comments regarding how DBZ "should've ended" be it at the end of the SSJ Goku/Freeza fight or whatever.

What if Vegeta became the hero of DBZ?

I've always wondered how fans would have reacted had Toriyama, in an act that would probably piss off a lot of Goku fanboys and would require some serious balls to do so, had DBZ end with Vegeta committing suicide by self-explosion and killing Buu in the process...no regenerative technique to bring himself back like what really happened in the series. So basically, "Final Atonement" would be the final DBZ episode.

Imagine that? Have Vegeta, who started out as the villain of DBZ (before Freeza came along) finally show a change of character by sacrificing himself and actually defeating the major enemy for good, in order to save the planet. Following that, Goku's one day on earth would have ended, and with both Goku and Vegeta dead, the pureblood Saiyan race would effectively be extinct. And then, it would be up to Gohan, Goten, and Trunks to be the next generation of earth's protectors.

How's that for an ending?

It would make for an interesting twist, I admit. However, considering that that particular episode was one of those "last-episode cliffhanger Toonami airs of DBZ for a while" things in the States, it's probably already had its own run-through as a possible ending. Even though I'm sure most of the fans knew there were gonna be more episodes, the same feeling about Vejita stepping up to be the hero was pretty much communicated nonetheless. So the idea has merit, but it's not exactly an original one...

Don't you just hate it when that happens? >.<

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:50 am

Vegeta was also one of Toriyama's least favorite character.

KinoFourpaws · Post by **KinoFourpaws** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:59 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:Vegeta was also one of Toriyama's least favorite character.

Oh, I know that. Which would make such a twist in the storyline that much more surprising. But like I said, the feeling it would communicate is not an original one.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:01 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:Vegeta was also one of Toriyama's least favorite character.

Why was that? Couldn't he just have written him more favorably? :P

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:17 am

Acid_Reign wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:Vegeta was also one of Toriyama's least favorite character.
Why was that? Couldn't he just have written him more favorably?

I read it in an interview someone linked to on here a while back. I believe Toriyama-sama said that he created Vegeta, he wrote him as a sort of "Anti-Goku," a character that embodied just about every character trait in people that he didn't like. Even so, it's nice to stand back and see how he did write more favoribly towards Vegeta, shifting him to the good side. The Buu saga was where Vegeta's character was finalized in that regard, which is one of the reasons I like it so much.

That, and SSj3 r0x0rz.

KinoFourpaws · Post by **KinoFourpaws** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:20 am

Acid_Reign wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:Vegeta was also one of Toriyama's least favorite character.
Why was that? Couldn't he just have written him more favorably?

Maybe he really liked all of his other main characters and just needed someone to hate on in the story.

Or maybe he just intended him to be a villain who got killed off after a while, but fans liked him too much, so he was forced to include him in the rest of the story. Would you really like it if you had to keep writing about someone you only meant to give a bit part to?

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