Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Khin]

When in the world is this Frost being a Perfect Cell tier come from ? Yes,he got wrecked by SSj Goku but that's the same SSj Goku (Even stronger due to training) that went toe to toe with Beerus.There's no reason to assume that Goku can ''turn off and on'' his God power when there's no implications for it.Piccolo just got stronger due to training with Gohan for 8 months,nothing wrong with that considering the absurd boost Super is giving to some characters.I swear some people just want to make things more complicated that what it was supposed to be.

[namekiansaiyan]

According to the preview card just released, Piccolo has not got stronger at all which is just stupid.

[Hugo Boss]

I don't think it implies Piccolo hasn't gotten stronger at all, but rather that he had to come up with a plan to overcome the difference in strength between him and Frost.

[Neon Z]

According to the preview card just released, Piccolo has not got stronger at all which is just stupid.

We just know that he's weaker than Frost. I thought that was obvious from the start. If he were on Frost's level they wouldn't be hyping up the Makankosappo as his trump card to win.

Still that's a pretty big range.

(RoF) Base Goku > Final Form Freeza (RoF) >> 1st form Freeza (RoF) >> Gohan SSJ (RoF) >> Tagoma >> Gohan (RoF) >> Piccolo (RoF)

Frost seems to be at least around Base Goku's power (RoF), considering how well his Strike form did against him and also Goku using SSJ in spite of worrying about conserving energy for the tournament. So, Piccolo can have gotten anywhere between those tiers and still would be weaker than Frost.

[namekiansaiyan]

I don't think it implies Piccolo hasn't gotten stronger at all, but rather that he had to come up with a plan to overcome the difference in strength between him and Frost.

I think it does because this series only seems to be about Goku and Vegeta. He coudisguise had Gohan and Buu do something buy Toriyama came up with stupid excuses for them not fighting and will probably just never give Piccolo a power up again aswell, the preview is probably just a disguise to make the match seem more close and exciting, If Piccolo loses easily I'm 95% i will stop watching this series until some other z-fighter gets a power up and is relevant again.

[ekrolo2]

Goku says in the next episode preview (from DragonTeam) that Piccolo's completely different now that he's taken off his cloak, so maybe he's not as screwed as I and many others here thought he is.

[pacz360]

Goku says in the next episode preview (from DragonTeam) that Piccolo's completely different now that he's taken off his cloak, so maybe he's not as screwed as I and many others here thought he is.

I doubt it but lets see what can we get.

[Doctor.]

Goku says in the next episode preview (from DragonTeam) that Piccolo's completely different now that he's taken off his cloak, so maybe he's not as screwed as I and many others here thought he is.

Piccolo was secretly Beerus tier all along but he never took off his cloak ever since the Cell Games, so we didn't know.

[ekrolo2]

Goku says in the next episode preview (from DragonTeam) that Piccolo's completely different now that he's taken off his cloak, so maybe he's not as screwed as I and many others here thought he is.

Piccolo was secretly Beerus tier all along but he never took off his cloak ever since the Cell Games, so we didn't know.

Hey, if Vegeta can just rage boost out of his ass a few years after Boo, Piccolo always being Beerus tier wouldn't be much of a stretch anymore

[Hugo Boss]

I don't think it implies Piccolo hasn't gotten stronger at all, but rather that he had to come up with a plan to overcome the difference in strength between him and Frost.

I think it does because this series only seems to be about Goku and Vegeta. He coudisguise had Gohan and Buu do something buy Toriyama came up with stupid excuses for them not fighting and will probably just never give Piccolo a power up again aswell, the preview is probably just a disguise to make the match seem more close and exciting, If Piccolo loses easily I'm 95% i will stop watching this series until some other z-fighter gets a power up and is relevant again.

That wasn't my impression. The fights are being decided with smartness, which seems to me a much more interesting way to develop this tournament than just use sheer power. Dragon Ball has a lot of figuring out a way to defeat your oponnents. Boo probably would never find Botamo's weakness unless he turned him into chocolate, which I think it's not allowed. Also, Gohan isn't really a fighting genious despite being a powerhouse. When things all depend on him, like with Cell and Boo, he can't accomplish anything without assistance.

[namekiansaiyan]

Goku says in the next episode preview (from DragonTeam) that Piccolo's completely different now that he's taken off his cloak, so maybe he's not as screwed as I and many others here thought he is.

I just think Goku was saying that Piccolo just looks different as in appearence.

[Lord Beerus]

Goku says in the next episode preview (from DragonTeam) that Piccolo's completely different now that he's taken off his cloak, so maybe he's not as screwed as I and many others here thought he is.

I doubt it but lets see what can we get.

Yeah, there seems to be a lot of uncertainty about whether Piccolo got super strong or Frost is not as strong as he looks, so I'm not gonna speculate and instead wait for EP34 to air and eventually get subbed by a reliable source or have Herms fill us in.

[Kuririn Fan]

Goku says in the next episode preview (from DragonTeam) that Piccolo's completely different now that he's taken off his cloak, so maybe he's not as screwed as I and many others here thought he is.

I doubt it but lets see what can we get.

Yeah, there seems to be a lot of uncertainty about whether Piccolo got super strong or Frost is not as strong as he looks, so I'm not gonna speculate and instead wait for EP34 to air and eventually get subbed by a reliable source or have Herms fill us in.

And Dragon Team isnt a reliable source?

[Hugo Boss]

I think he is referring to waiting to Dragon Team possibly subbing Episode 34 or Herms or any Japanese-speaker from Kanzenshuu to translate some comments from there.

[Lord Beerus]

And Dragon Team isnt a reliable source?

That's who I was referring to.

[Vice]

Like I said in the episode 33 thread, Piccolo keeping his distance and using the Mankankosappo could be because of Frost's sleeping technique and nothing more. The NEP showed Piccolo easily dodging Frost's attacks and the blows that did land appeared to have done nothing more than knock him backwards. Piccolo showed no signs of pain having taken a direct hit from him.

[Doctor.]

I'm gonna have to adjust my battle powers now.

Vegetto: 15
-- Super Saiyan: 750
-- Super Saiyan 2: 1,500
-- Super Saiyan 3: 6,000

Gohan: 360

Fat Boo: 26
-- Mr. Boo: 10.4
Kid Boo: 31

Super Boo: 230
-- Gotenks: 470
-- Gohan: 590

Beerus: 100,000
Whis: 150,000

Goku: 7,000
-- Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan God: 35,000

Goku (F): 7,500
-- Super Saiyan Blue: 70,000

Freeza: 35
-- Final Form: 7,000
-- Golden: 80,000

Goku (U6): 8,000
-- Super Saiyan: 40,000
-- Super Saiyan Blue: 80,000

Botamo: 500

Frost: 1,000
-- Assault form: 7,000
-- Final form: 20,000

Piccolo: 10,000

[dbzfan7]

What we do know is that Frost is stronger than Piccolo, and Piccolo must come up with a plan to overcome the strength difference as recently translated. That's about it. How much stronger Frost is we don't know. Frost is also pretty weary which should help Piccolo. Still curious to see what BS comes up next, and just how little of a crap was given BTS .

[ekrolo2]

Does anyone else wish we could get some comparison statements to have even a hint of a clue where the hell anyone stands in relation to one another? Even GT at least gave you an idea where Rild stands so you can even have some basis to jump off of. With all this God stuff, everyone's just vaguely stronger or weaker with no frame of reference to even gauge them with.

[Vice]

Fuck Super, I'm about done with this shit. You're not Goku or Vegeta? You don't matter.