Goku: 90,000 to 3,000,000 Zenkai?!

[LightBing]

Lol, I actually had a similar idea at one point. I definitely prefer your explanation more.

Another theory I had was this: Goku was heavily damaged in Ginyu's body and had trouble moving around in it. Later, the powered-up Vegeta beat the shit outta Goku Ginyu, inflicting far more damage than Goku had while he was Ginyu. Since Goku had experienced heavy damage in two different bodies within a short period of time, it forced his Chi to restructure itself entirely while he was healing. This not only explains why Goku was scared as he was overflowing with power, but also why Krillin no longer recognized his Chi :

Kuririn: “A-are you really Goku…? Your ki feels different than it did before…”

That's my convoluted theory.

Would the damage suffered in Ginyu's body have any affect in Goku? Only his consciousness was transferred not his ki. The only damage that his body had to respond to was Vegeta's beatdown. Unless his consciousness imprinted Ginyu's damage, when Goku returned back even if the body wasn't affected. Technically resulting in a double zenkai of some sort. Which is what you said, reading back.

Both theory's work well together, I like it. The main factor always being Goku's response to difficulty, even if it wasn't conscious. Further proving he's a genius. While maintaining the evolution perspective, which I love.

I just like the in universe explanation that they arent random and they typically start becoming larger as a Saiyan gets closer to Super Saiyan tier.

But then I like the idea that they stop at a certain point as well, they never happen to Saiyans after they achieve SSJ. More than likely there's a limit to base power zenkai hax, like 10,000,000 or something.

They seem random in the gains given, which fluctuate wildly. I agree that they stop, when a Saiyan reaches SSJ. I love how the Saiyans look like beings in constant evolution. SSJ seems like a natural step after the zenkais.

Adding to this, the loss of tails should also be related to SSJ. Their body's evolved to the point, Oozaru is now useless and replaced by SSJ. So obviously the body dropped the tails.
That's why I think Goten and Trunks were born tailless, they had the SSJ gene from their parents.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Would the damage suffered in Ginyu's body have any affect in Goku? Only his consciousness was transferred not his ki. The only damage that his body had to respond to was Vegeta's beatdown. Unless his consciousness imprinted Ginyu's damage, when Goku returned back even if the body wasn't affected. Technically resulting in a double zenkai of some sort. Which is what you said, reading back.

Both theory's work well together, I like it. The main factor always being Goku's response to difficulty, even if it wasn't conscious. Further proving he's a genius. While maintaining the evolution perspective, which I love.

Good point on the Chi not transferring over. I guess the presence of the Chi could've, since Krillin noted Ginyu Goku and Jheese as having evil Chi's. Still, Goku told Ginyu that he'd never be able to control the Chi of his body, so it was definitely intact.

Other than that, you pretty much nailed it. I always assumed Goku's consciousness processed the damage and basically remembered the experience even though he returned to his own body. That's why I think Goku's time in the rejuvenation did much more than simply heal his damaged body. Upon exiting, he was still the same Goku--but the structure of his Chi changed to the point where he seemed like a different being entirely.

It's pretty cool that our theory's compliment each other rather than clash. Some people might think these explanations are a bit over-complicated, but it makes the story much more enjoyable overall.

[Lord Frieza]

Maybe Zenkai boost is also affected by the individual genetics?

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

It would make sense to have Goku's ki restructured. Nice theory.

Though we still have to come up with an explanation for how Goku's first experience as a Super Saiyan was handled far better than everyone else. Kaioken still at least has to play a role in all of this. Ever since training with King Kai he's been taxing his body well beyond limitations both in fights and training.

[Hugo Boss]

You guys are really inspired today! I like the idea that Goku's mindset & body memory factored in his huge jump in power, though I don't think it was suposed to be that consistently thought to begin with.

[Kaboom]

What about the inverse idea -- What if Goku's body was so jarred and traumatized by the body-switch that it registered as the mother of all near-death experiences? Few things would fit that description more than having your consciousness/soul temporarily ripped out of your body.

[DanielSSJ]

What about the inverse idea -- What if Goku's body was so jarred and traumatized by the body-switch that it registered as the mother of all near-death experiences? Few things would fit that description more than having your consciousness/soul temporarily ripped out of your body.

Ooo I like that idea! So his body registered the switch as him being temporarily dead? A creative and ingenious theory.

[Saiga]

I don't know, I think I'm favouring this theory posted a while back:

I've read another theory out there that, if you are healed using new methods, the Zenkai will be bigger. For example, Goku's been healing through Senzu beans his entire life, so the Zenkai's he received while training on the spaceship weren't that noticeable. However, once he got on Namek and was healed by the healing pod (new method), he skyrocketed in power. Vegeta as well, his earlier Zenkai's were with the healing pod, something he used all his life before. Then, his larger Zenkai's were from new methods, the senzu bean, dende's healing powers.

Even though that wouldn't explain why different healing methods make for better zenkai, it just lines up so well with the examples that we do have in the series. And explains why Saiyans never abused it before the series... or after the Namek arc, come to think of it. We don't get new methods of healing then - Kibito could be considered the same as Dende's, and Mr Boo never heals a Saiyan (and again, could be considered the same as Dende's if you wanted).

[rereboy]

My theory is that Zenkais are a saiyan survival mechanism that are adaptive by nature.

That means that the bigger the threat that the saiyan is feeling (on his body and on his mind), the harder will his system try to improve as he heals.

That means that, in principle, the improvement that a saiyan gets when he is wounded in a spar with a friend will pale in comparison to the improvement that a saiyan gets when he is wounded by a much stronger opponent in a life or death struggle while and there's even stronger foes out there being a threat.

In the case of Goku, his system felt the need to improve drastically, since it was beat down by a much stronger opponent (Vegeta was much stronger than Ginyu-Goku) and Goku, once in his body, felt the threat that Freeza was. All this contributed for his system to stress itself in achieving an extra-powerful zenkai.

However, their system has its limits, which is why, after a certain point, their system can no longer improve significantly via zenkai.

We could think of a similar case in Doomsday, who is a DC character that is immortal since he always comes back to life and, once he comes back, his system will have evolved to have surpassed what killed him the last time.

[ahill1]

I just like the in universe explanation that they arent random and they typically start becoming larger as a Saiyan gets closer to Super Saiyan tier.

But then I like the idea that they stop at a certain point as well, they never happen to Saiyans after they achieve SSJ. More than likely there's a limit to base power zenkai hax, like 10,000,000 or something.

What? Are you Vic from neoseeker? What are you doing here? You disappeared from neoseeker lol. I wanted to discuss with you.

And I agree with you. I think the Zenkais gets bigger when a Saiyan is approaching to achieve SSJ. I have Goku even higher than 3,000,000 (I actually have him at 5,000,000).