Wezenheim wrote:Hayashida's comments are typical interview fluff, but they still don't sit too well with me if the translation is accurate. I also don't know when the interview was conducted, but I'm not sure that matters.
Waving off criticism is a dangerous trap that you should never fall into. It also doesn't look good to the fans. I'll keep from saying too much because I don't know all of the details of this interview but... it don't look good.
Last year's Salón del Manga de Barcelona, celebrated in Barcelona from October 29th to November 1st, hosted a fascinating pair of creatives dedicated to the world of Dragon Ball.
Hayashida's comments aren't really unexpected. When you're embroiled in the trenches it's very easy to see criticism as not particularly important, especially when 99% of it is inarticulate individuals using words like 'lazy' while having no actual understanding of anything related to the subject they are trying to discuss.
Wezenheim wrote:Hayashida's comments are typical interview fluff, but they still don't sit too well with me if the translation is accurate. I also don't know when the interview was conducted, but I'm not sure that matters.
Waving off criticism is a dangerous trap that you should never fall into. It also doesn't look good to the fans. I'll keep from saying too much because I don't know all of the details of this interview but... it don't look good.
Last year's Salón del Manga de Barcelona, celebrated in Barcelona from October 29th to November 1st, hosted a fascinating pair of creatives dedicated to the world of Dragon Ball.
Hayashida's comments aren't really unexpected. When you're embroiled in the trenches it's very easy to see criticism as not particularly important, especially when 99% of it is inarticulate individuals using words like 'lazy' while having no actual understanding of anything related to the subject they are trying to discuss.
Oh I know they aren't unexpected, they are pretty typical. I also dislike the use of the word "lazy", it's an insult to the animators and team who have to work around the clock to try and salvage what little they can from this mess.
Okay yeah, I missed the date, that makes a little more sense and it's why I considered it to be fairly important in this discussion. The Battle of Gods arc was, for the most part, "fine". The big fight was relatively well done save for an extra episode or two that didn't need to exist, but it's whatever. Some of the complaints there could be perceived as whining, I can see that. I don't know if their comments would be the same if they were interviewed today though (as now the criticism is very much earned in my opinion), but I'm sure they would be.
Chuquita wrote:I am disappointed the animation is in such a mess for Super.
I'm mostly disappointed with the inconsistency. Like in DBZ, you could expect a fairly well-done episode every 1 in 4. In DB Super, it's hard to tell when you'll get one, but they are there.
It's frustrating because Super has a lot of good cuts, but you may not get them for a big fight or scene you'd expect to have high quality.
I'm not too surprised with the interview. The short time on post-production really hurt the animation, especially when you hire newbies to do some key animations for an episode. The animation supervisors have no time to correct their drawings, thanks to the decreased time for post-production. They are wildly out of the balance with their current schedule. Given how they shrugged off the negative reaction from the people, but eventually received the same criticism from Akira Toriyama, I was not surprised to see the staff being shuffled in order to keep up with the production process. Either way, it will be interesting to see how things get unfolded from here on.
Patrolman Jaco wrote:Please let there be a movie remake for the U6 arc, hell just cancel Super and continue the series with movies instead.
No way in hell are Toei gonna cancel Super. The production of the show may be a mess, but the profit that Bandai and Toei are raking in from the series is far too lucrative for them to cancel the show or even take an extended break. I do, however, believe that a Dragon Ball movie will be produced and released in the next 2-3 years.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
So, speaking of Dragon Ball Super: what's up with the animation issues that have been happening?
The animators responsible for those scenes are newbies who just started working at this level in the industry
And you're letting newbies work on a multi-million dollar franchise like DB because ?
Because no other decent animators within Toei are available due to the production schedule of the show being so fucked up.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Japan produces a lot of animation in a year. The entire industry is short on animators, that's why they outsource to other nations. Toei Animation Philippines and any other sub-contractor are used so much on Dragon Ball Super because there is no other alternative. In 2015 there were at least 163 animated series produced in Japan, to say nothing of commercials, television specials, movies and shorts.
So, speaking of Dragon Ball Super: what's up with the animation issues that have been happening?
The animators responsible for those scenes are newbies who just started working at this level in the industry
And you're letting newbies work on a multi-million dollar franchise like DB because ?
Because no other decent animators within Toei are available due to the production schedule of the show being so fucked up.
Jesus christ they should do something about it!! Fix the schedule or something like that.They can't afford to keep bringing us sub par content, the series will go to hell if they keep fucking up.
Why did they even make another series to begin with? They would have been better off making more movies.
Dragon ball fans should just let go & let it die already. You guys are willing to keep up with any sub-par product they dish out. They keep releasing terrible work because people still eat it up.
And right when they were getting their shit together. This series is a goddamn mess, inside and out. Toei really didn't think this through man, it's a damn shame. Criticism is overblown? Well sorry we're not happy with the quality of the show which should have better treatment.
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Lord Beerus wrote:Because no other decent animators within Toei are available due to the production schedule of the show being so fucked up.
Jesus christ they should do something about it!! Fix the schedule or something like that.They can't afford to keep bringing us sub par content, the series will go to hell if they keep fucking up.
There's no reason for them not to work on Dragon Ball Super. The industry still needs new animators to work on the animated TV shows. The veterans aren't going to last forever. Most of animators that worked on Dragon Ball Z were new when Dragon Ball started production. Some of them were even in-betweeners that were eventually promoted to the animation supervision status.
As has been stated by us many times, Japan doesn't have enough animators to produce so many TV series in a year, to say nothing of commercials, cutscenes, movies, etcs. This is the reason why the ending intro frequently credits Toei Animation Philippines as key animators.
Cursemark505 wrote:Dragon ball fans should just let go & let it die already.
They're targeting very young children who buy toys so even if every one of us stopped watching and didn't buy anything connected to it, it'll still go on strong cause it's targeted audience don't care about quality.
VejituhTheWarriorGuy wrote:Toei really didn't think this through man, it's a damn shame.
It was announced 2 months before it's 1st episode aired which was a month after RF was released so I think they decided to make it due to how well RF was doing but they didn't want to lose Kai's time slot so they rushed it out in July instead of the Fall or even early 2016.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
Cursemark505 wrote:Dragon ball fans should just let go & let it die already.
They're targeting very young children who buy toys so even if every one of us stopped watching and didn't buy anything connected to it, it'll still go on strong cause it's targeted audience don't care about quality.
Super was created because of the success of the movies. The movies were successful because of older fans.
They created Kai & the movies to cash in on nostalgia of older fans, but they were fully expecting to gain some new viewers with these moves.
The main reason why they've been able to keep milking this franchise to hell all these years is because older fans won't let go of the past.
I really wish they would have let Dragon ball go out with some decency. Now if they ever do decide to stop, it'll end on a terrible note.
Toei has ruined Dragon ball because people continuously support them even tho they complain about the way the material is being handled.
With is why i stick to manga and refuse to buy anything Super anime related, I'm sorry, but if they don't care, why should i do? This Sunday Sailor Moon Crystal Season 3 1st episode will be shown at event, I'm really afraid of animation, since they changed director and chara designer, i put my bar of expectations low, but still, I'm afraid to watch another beloved series be butchered
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World Trigger is losing its timeslot this April. If this means that World Trigger is ending then it could free of some staff, like Koizumi Noboru and his wife Izumi Kyouko. Koizumi was an animation supervisor for Dragon Ball GT and is one of the best animators working on World Trigger. It could also mean Karasawa Kazuya, one of the best World Trigger episode directors, could move over. We'll have to see how this plays out, especially with there being other Toei Animation projects beginning.
JulieYBM wrote:World Trigger is losing its timeslot this April. If this means that World Trigger is ending then it could free of some staff, like Koizumi Noboru and his wife Izumi Kyouko. Koizumi was an animation supervisor for Dragon Ball GT and is one of the best animators working on World Trigger. It could also mean Karasawa Kazuya, one of the best World Trigger episode directors, could move over. We'll have to see how this plays out, especially with there being other Toei Animation projects beginning.
I really hope it ending means Super will get more help.
JulieYBM wrote:World Trigger is losing its timeslot this April. If this means that World Trigger is ending then it could free of some staff, like Koizumi Noboru and his wife Izumi Kyouko. Koizumi was an animation supervisor for Dragon Ball GT and is one of the best animators working on World Trigger. It could also mean Karasawa Kazuya, one of the best World Trigger episode directors, could move over. We'll have to see how this plays out, especially with there being other Toei Animation projects beginning.
Worked on GT eh, what notable stuff did he do for the series if there's anything that really pops out from that or his other stuff?
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How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
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Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
JulieYBM wrote:World Trigger is losing its timeslot this April. If this means that World Trigger is ending then it could free of some staff, like Koizumi Noboru and his wife Izumi Kyouko. Koizumi was an animation supervisor for Dragon Ball GT and is one of the best animators working on World Trigger. It could also mean Karasawa Kazuya, one of the best World Trigger episode directors, could move over. We'll have to see how this plays out, especially with there being other Toei Animation projects beginning.
Worked on GT eh, what notable stuff did he do for the series if there's anything that really pops out from that or his other stuff?
Koizumi was a key animator for Dragon Ball GT Episodes #13 and #19. He was then the animation supervisor for #36, #43, #49 and #54. He then worked on the 1997 Doctor Slump and was character designer of One Piece for Episodes #1-425 (Hisada Kazuya has been a character designer since #385 and maintains the role alone ever since Koizumi left). Koizumi's episodes of World Trigger are a lot of fun. You can find screen shots of Episode #15 and Episode #23 on my Imgur.
JulieYBM wrote:World Trigger is losing its timeslot this April. If this means that World Trigger is ending then it could free of some staff, like Koizumi Noboru and his wife Izumi Kyouko. Koizumi was an animation supervisor for Dragon Ball GT and is one of the best animators working on World Trigger. It could also mean Karasawa Kazuya, one of the best World Trigger episode directors, could move over. We'll have to see how this plays out, especially with there being other Toei Animation projects beginning.
I really hope it ending means Super will get more help.
I hope so too. Hopefully with some of the hiring and such that Toei has done recently, the series can really get back on track after the tournament with a couple of low stress "filler" episodes and maybe even another recap episode (despite how upset people were at the last one).
Koizumi seems like he'd be an awesome addition to the Super staff if we could get him!
